Yes very amusing. However, the reality is scarier.
Trump has demonstrated that he actually doesn't give two hoots for the post war liberal rules-based consensus.
He isn't interested in international discussion to find a way forward by overcoming differences and cooperating.
He just wants things his own way and bollocks to everyone else.
Not only is he more comfortable talking to 'strongmen' like Putin, XiJinping and Kim Jong Un, he wants to be just like them.
He is engaged in a destruction of democratic governance and the establishment of global nationalistic cooperation between dictatorial regimes, of which he wants the USA to be one. 'El Presidente' rather than 'Mr President'.
He is the first North American president who actually deserves to be shot. Stephen King's fiction has met with reality.
If you're not even slightly concerned about it, you should be.
Disheartening.
If you’re not even slightly concerned about it, you should be.
Very concerned but, and it's a bit but here the Republicans are turning on trade, this goes completely against their core free market small government thinking. He is hurting them in a lot of places, farmers are turning, the EU's tariffs are going to hit them hard and they represent some key places come November.
A dismal performance then or even in the lead up which will see tax rises, HC bills hitting doormats in the US and any further fallout from Muller could see the knives coming out.
... and Boris thinks this is the way to get a good deal from the EU.
It is looking like he wants to form his own club; the G3 consisting of Trump, Putin, Kim...
Trump would be happy in the G1. As long as he's #1, everyone else can go swivel.
Trump would be happy in the G1. As long as he’s #1, everyone else can go swivel.
I bet he'd win a second term with that as a slogan.
He is the first North American president who actually deserves to be shot.
I'm all for robust debate, this has no place in it though. No one deserves to be killed
There are policies that give people life, and there are policies that take life away and cause misery. Trump is enacting the latter, just because he isn't puling a trigger dosn't mean he isn't responsible for bringing death.
If you’re not even slightly concerned about it, you should be.
I am, absolutely! I never thought that there would be a US President who could make the likes of Nixon and George Dubya look like paragons of virtue and good governance.
We truly live in interesting times...
What will be interesting is how American voters react to having a Putin -style president. After all, despite everything Putin is actually popular in some sectors of Russian society and appeals to the same segment of the voters as Trump.
Funny how you can project so much on a single photo
Funny how you can project so much
Indeed Zulu, indeed. 😂
even better:
he is making the US isolated from the rest of the world . No ones gives a monkey about North Korea , north korean are not going to consume US products in huge number . European do , and lots of it .
Homer is smarter than Trump, Homer has never cheated on Marge. Not a fair comparison. Also Homer is in better shape and likeable.
Don't worry ninfan it's not just the pics, it who posted them and what was said around the times they were posted that we are really talking about
Trump just tried to take on the 6 most important economies and their allies how do you think that will go? Checkout the list of eu tariffs vs the location the US product is made and the elected representatives.
As Trump throws his tantrums at the G7 (& his tweets degenerated further as he flew away)
Putin, Xi-Jinping & the leaders of uzbekistaon, india, ****stan, etc are having a jolly at their own summit
Trumps toy chucking has been a golden PR opportunity for them
https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1005713165504557056
I think we’ve found Zulu’s social media source for protestors chasing innocent car driving right wing nut jobs.
https://twitter.com/realitysmash/status/1005550049496109058?s=21
Trump is fundamentally un democratic, he is a wannabe dictator. The North Korea thing is low hanging fruit. A country on its knees, a real test would be sorting out the problems in the Middle East and getting Saudi and Iran to stop messing about.
A country on its knees, a real test would be sorting out the problems in the Middle East and getting Saudi and Iran to stop messing about.
Yeah getting nk to have a holiday in Singapore with no preconditions or concessions is a tough one.
Fox made a wonderful Freudian slip the other day
https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/06/11/fox-news-said-donald-trump-honest-3-seconds/
Trump is fundamentally undemocratic,
What’s your point caller? 🙄
I think his point is he doesn't know what undemocratic means.
On the plus side for the EU exiting the club & looking for a good trade deal with the USA looks like a fools errand!
Good job we have the perfect tool for the job in DFDS Liam Fox
He better get reading up on this
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You can see why Johnson admires him.
Either way this will play well with his base at home, which surely was the point (until reciprirec tariffs start to bite) No matter the long term damage to the USA.
Well I think he might just have given up defending his new best friend, could that be the writing on the wall for Trump when ninfan and Fox and Chums give up on you....
Either way this will play well with his base at home, which surely was the point (until reciprirec tariffs start to bite) No matter the long term damage to the USA.
Yep those farmers, people making anything out of metal - great interview with some guys who work in a steel or alu processing plant who thought he was looking after them but they buy there metal from overseas so now are set for a massive price increase. The EU is targeting specific states with vulnerable high profile industries and you can expect the rest to follow up
I think that ninfan is trying to draw attention to Russian interference in the election, the kremliK bot farms continually pumped out links showing how trump votes were gonna be fraudulently lost by the deep state.
Those same accounts after the result initially started pumping out posts saying it was rigged, that's why trump lost, before mysteriously shutting down. It looks like the Russians had never expected a trump victory either!
I'm still not sure whether it's a case of you being a far-right provocateur or whether you simply enjoy being contrary for the heck of it.
So why would you celebrate a breakdown in consensus between the leaders of the G7?
I’m still not sure whether it’s a case of you being a far-right provocateur or whether you simply enjoy being contrary for the heck of it.
So why would you celebrate a breakdown in consensus between the leaders of the G7?
Well, Germany has happily shat all over the rest of the Euro economy (even Owen agrees with me: https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417?s=20 ) let alone their continued failure to match NATO spending targets.
The French, well, I’m with Nelson on that one
Eyeties, never could trust them, given half a chance the inevitable is happening and they’re already veering back into Fascism
Japanese - need you ask.
Canadians - half French, so see above.
Happy?
Typically flippant response there ninfan, I must confess that I did chuckle reading it.
Eyeties, never could trust them, given half a chance the inevitable is happening and they’re already veering back into Fascism.
So you don't think that the USA is lurching towards a form of fascism?
Taking not answering the question to a new level again 😉
Trade wars are easy things to loose, especially when you have an election coming up.
What has been incredible to watch is how much he is lowering expectations of the NK talks, anything more than 10 mins before a flounce is going to be a huge success
Air Force 1 is ready and waiting
Given trump seems to measure success by whether or not he makes a deal (regardless of how shit the deal is, the point is he made a deal) anything better than Kim jong un taking full sovereign control of the US should be viewed positively
anything more than 10 mins before a flounce is going to be a huge success
Funny - a few weeks ago you reckoned Trumps cavalier approach would lead to nuclear war - now you've downgraded your prediction of disaster to the talks (which you subsequently reckoned were never actually going to happen in the first place) not lasting as long as you think they ought to...
Shall we put these talks in the same bracket as all the other things Trump was never going to achieve? You know, like how there was absolutely no way that Trump would ever run for president/stand on a republican ticket/win the primaries/get over the ‘pussygate’ scandal/actually win the election/win the electoral college/get sworn in/last more than 100 days/be accepted by other world leaders/get over the latest scandal/defeat ISIS/last more than six months/avoid starting a nuclear war with North Korea/last more than a year/build a wall/see out a full term/get re-elected*
*delete as appropriate
.... except from the first 3 pages of this thread (that I could be bothered to read) plenty of people saying that he might well win, but keep with the fake news ninfan, its working for trump & co, too
Shall we put these talks in the same bracket as all the other things Trump was never going to achieve?
What has he achieved?
Kim has got the President of the US to head to Singapore to meet him. He gas given nothing to the US and can now push to enter a long period of talking with what in return?
His actions were pushing the world to a tipping point in that region, the efforts of South Korea and getting the US out of it has helped a lot, offering them a path towards being the next Lybia was a truly amazing bit of diplomacy there
Anyway what has he actually achieved - I don't think anyone is being very generous in that respect now are they.
unsurprisingly Trump is wrong about foreign tarifs being unfair, but facts never been a problem for him
https://twitter.com/robert_falkner/status/1006072759783514113
His actions were pushing the world to a tipping point in that region, the efforts of South Korea and getting the US out of it has helped a lot, offering them a path towards being the next Lybia was a truly amazing bit of diplomacy there
http://time.com/5189072/north-korea-donald-trump-credit/
wrong about foreign tarifs being unfair,
Did you honestly just attempt to refute an allegation of 'unfairness' by deploying average figures?
What has he achieved?
Tax reform. To benefit him and his own. Do pay attention...
Did you honestly just attempt to refute an allegation of ‘unfairness’ by deploying average figures?
Well has trump provided any evidence there? Did he back up his claims or just whine in the corner?
Has he worked out who burned down the white house?
So you don’t think that the USA is lurching towards a form of fascism?
You mean the type of fascist regime where government agencies spy on the political opposition, spread malicious lies about them and leak classified documents in an attempt to undermine a democratically elected president?
oh...
Oh we have the Trump 2.2 updates in 😉
Do you think the domestic intelligence agencies should be interested in people who are meeting with foreign intelligence operatives and then lying to cover it up?
Can't see anything they have done undermines Trump or his cronies, they have all done that themselves by breaking laws and attempting to cover them up. Now we have
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/us/politics/manafort-obstruction-kilimnik-charges.html
<p class="css-1i0edl6 e2kc3sl0">WASHINGTON — After months of oblique references to an unnamed Russian associate of Paul Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, the special counsel identified the associate on Friday and charged both men with obstruction of justice.</p>
<p class="css-1i0edl6 e2kc3sl0">The associate, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, is a Russian Army-trained linguist prosecutors have accused of having ties to Russian intelligence.</p>
<p class="css-1i0edl6 e2kc3sl0">The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has not publicly sought to connect Mr. Kilimnik or Mr. Manafort to Russian meddling in the 2016 election, but Friday’s indictment of Mr. Kilimnik could carry symbolic significance nonetheless.</p>
On Friday, the special counsel’s team added to the list of charges Mr. Manafort faces, accusing him and Mr. Kilimnik of obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice for trying to coach witnesses from whom the special counsel has sought information about the Ukraine lobbying work.
He certainly picks the people who work for him very well. Perhaps if he had spent a little time vetting his staff we could have avoided all of this trouble.
and news from the reliable source in the Trump camp (no not the ketchup)
I am looking forward to seeing what kind of flounce / series of Tweets may follow on from tomorrow's meetings.
