The bloated orange tugnugget must really want his very own war, i doubt sensible discussion with the european backers of the deal will make a difference over the next 30 days as Netanyahu is stroking trumps dick under the table
When you’re looking for calm, objective and rational analysis of Iran, surely your first port of call would be Netanyahu.
It’d be perfectly ok to ignore what everyone else has to say on the subject, and just take what he says at face value
it certainly looks like that’s what’s happened.
oh well....
it certainly looks like that’s what’s happened.
probably in conjunction with huge wedge of cash under the table from the house of saud
Unpick everything Obama did, undo anything good, destablaise as that is where you make money...
The sooner he becomes unpalatable to the Republicans the better
Nothing to see here, move along...
So what would you do to stop your wife thinking you were shagging a porn star?
I'm now wondering why Alaska looks like a flaccid penis pointing at the Aussies.
Can someone explain to me any senario, no matter how wild, where Iran could use a nuclear weapon against another state (any state) and still be in existance a week later? MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) is still just as valid today as it was during the heyday of the Cold War. (which never actually became a war precisely because of MAD!)
Owning a Nuclear weapon only grants you a seat at the big boys discussion table, that's all (see N/Korea for reference.....)
it's trying to keep the genie in the bottle, if Iran has them, Turkey and the Saudis will want them and the Israelis will want more just to make sure.... if Turkey and the Sauds have them Egypt will want to join the club and Israel gets very nervous indeed. Then we have to keep track of who's got what where and whether it's safe or not.
Rouhani: I have ordered Atomic Energy Organisation of Iran to be ready to start the enrichment of uranium at industrial levels. We will wait a few weeks and speak with our allies and those committed to JCPOA. All depends on our national interests.
Well who would have thought it would go this way?
it gets stranger by the minute, EU saying they are going to stand by the agreement and the US threatening anyone who deals with Iran....
I imagine that Israel will be moving on Hezbollah in Syria & Lebanon in days, wonder what the Russians will make of it?
At least Kim now knows that Trump could year up any nuclear deal on a whim
Also makes Johnsons fox & friends plea look, even more desperate
Without wishing to draw attention to specifics, some of the posts on this thread over the weekend have been downright depressing.
Im still trying to get my head around what is going on with America’s foreign, economic and environmental policy. To blame a buffoonish president is too simplistic, nothing happens by accident.
Since John Bolton took office, foreign policy has become more hawkish than at anytime I can recall.
Im still trying to get my head around what is going on with America’s foreign, economic and environmental policy. To blame a buffoonish president is too simplistic, nothing happens by accident.
No but it happens by direction, if he isn't in charge then somebody is pulling the strings to make things unstable. Sooner it ends the better for the world.
John Bolton has been there 6 weeks....
Im still trying to get my head around what is going on with America’s foreign, economic and environmental policy
In an interview with Fox news (who else) when asked why he hadn't appointed very key state dept posts (there's still no South Korean Ambassador) Trump said that when it comes to foreign policy, "I'm the only one that matters"
Mcmaster often complained (former head of NSC) that while there was on the face of it, "a process" regarding decision making, it appeared that there were two parallel tracks, the inter agency process and the decisions Trumps makes, it was often not clear Trump was making decision with reference to that process.
You go through the list of appointments; Bolton, DeVoss, Pruitt et al and it’s clear that this administration is quite extraordinary in the context of Republican governments that have gone before. We get mired in debates about Trump’s nocturnal tweets, it’s clear that the Republican Party itself is at the mercy of fringe politics.
Whether its donors pulling the strings or whether the Tea Party movement has exerted influence beyond its grassroots membership is open to debate.
Whether its donors pulling the strings or whether the Tea Party movement has exerted influence beyond its grassroots membership is open to debate.
Neither have control over Trump....
Good listens from the US
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510310/npr-politics-podcast
https://fivethirtyeight.com/tag/politics-podcast/
Thing is PMJ1974 the "never Trump" elements of the republican party will never work in the administration, the left are repulseR by the foreign policy decisions, and even the Bannonite Far right disdain them for being insufficiently extreme, which leaves republican hawkish nut bars unpalatable to everyone. The only saving grace is that while Trump demands loyalty, he rarely rewards it, so at least Bolton will be out of a job soon.
Trump really is one load his mother should of swallowed
Firm Tied to Russian Oligarch Made Payments to Michael Cohen https://nyti.ms/2KODExU
Just follow the money....
Yep but no collusion...
It's pretty damming wouldnt like to explain myself out of that one.
One payment maybe but theres a few more to answer for , telephone bill refund maybe 🙂
Now if Trump had just paid up out of his own money we wouldn't be looking at this.
He's a total tightwad....
Don't forget truth doesn't matter to his base thou..
Did he really use a magic marker to sign that declaration??
It’s pretty damming wouldnt like to explain myself out of that one.
https://www.theonion.com/my-god-i-ve-discovered-the-missing-link-in-the-russia-1823923525
I know Im in danger of sounding like a breitbart evil jewish soros conspiracy nutter, it does seem that Netanyahu has figured out how to play Trump better than anyone else!
Either that or Trumps weird Obama inferiority complex really is driving everything he does
Trump has an answer to negative news reports about him, ie ‘fake news’; take away the credentials of any news network responsible, making it impossible for their reporters to travel as part of his entourage!
Honestly, he’s no different to Putin, both are autocratic with exceedingly thin skins.
And now Iran has attacked Israel from Syria
This is going to escalate
Welll Iran atacked Isreal according to Isreal, looks like just another excuse for Isreal to strike at Iran while the iron is hot, under the pretense of retaliation..
but hey ho, death is just the symptom of the petulant orange bafoons desperate need for attention.
To be pedantic the Golan Heights is recognised as Israeli occupied Syrian land taken from Syria
Not really interested in the collusion, I think thats a side issue, I'm interested in the fact these people seem to have money thrown at them in massive wads.
Must be good to be them and I'd like to join the club 🙂
Meanwhile Trump is basking in the glory of participating in a carefully planned PR/negotiating exercise by the North Koreans. I wonder at what point he'll realise he is being played to perfection.
Will they really give up their nukes after watching what happened to Gaddafi and now Iran?
The decision on Iran has so many interesting parallels with the Bush decision to walk away from the North Korea nuclear deal, which led to the situation we're in now - the same issue a decade or more later, only with a much more developed nuclear capacity, forcing the US back to the negotiating table.
Good to hear that the Saudis are now talking about getting their own nuclear capability. 🙁
But Johnson said Trump deserved a Nobel peace prize !!!!
You can't fault Johnson there - he was following the standard protocol for communicating with Trump.
1) Go on Fox and Friends
2) Say something over-flattering about how great Trump is.
3) Slip in the actual valid point that you want Trump to embrace, hoping that John Bolton doesn't get to him before he tweets his agreement from the toilet.
Don't understand why it didn't work on this occasion.
Perhaps Boris should've gone to the toilet with him ?
So Trump is taking all the credit for appearing to resolve the NK situation.
Here's a thought...
Let's suppose you find yourself inheriting a failing dynastic dictatorship that can't even feed it's own people and is kept going by forced labour, political repression and a trickle of help from your powerful ally to the north and you are not a stupid person.
Let's also suppose that you've decided the best way out of your dilemma is to get your hands on all that lovely American cash.
Thinking strategically, what would be the best way of going about playing your fish?
Listen to the cringeworthy hostage return, Kim was very nice to them, he has been great...
NK have wanted this meeting, now with very little given up they have it.
As if China are going to let US firms exploit NK ressources. The chinese are playing with Trump.
A 14-year-old boy was among those killed on Monday and more than 900 people were injured, the Hamas-run health ministry said.
Palestinians hurled stones while the Israeli military used snipers as black smoke poured from burning tyres.
Israel's army said 10,000 "violent rioters" had gathered along the security fence and that its troops were operating "in accordance with standard procedures".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44104599
Another success for Trump.
"Today is the big day when we will cross the fence and tell Israel and the world we will not accept being occupied forever," a science teacher in Gaza, Ali, told Reuters news agency.
Israel says the protests are aimed at breaching the border, which it heavily guards, and attacking Israeli communities nearby.
I wonder how the world would have reacted if the Palestinians had taken this approach when Israel came over the border.
(and yes we know loads of US presidents crossed their fingers and said one day, one day we will about moving the embassy but none of them really though if doing it)
Following the deaths of over 50 Palestinians today it would appear Mr Trump has a lot of blood on his hands, whilst his family takes tea and cake at the Embassy.
Can you imagine the news if that was happening to British people? It's unbelievable.
Just what does this man have to do before the whole world say no more. The middle east is on a knife edge, and this idiot just keeps prodding it. The good folk in the USA have a lot to answer for in not getting rid of this fool.
I wonder how the world would have reacted if the Palestinians had taken this approach when Israel came over the border.
Go on then, remind us, exactly when did Israel “come over the border”?
Ah ninfan the pedant is back... Well one time would be when they built houses in the occupied territory I'm sure you agree though shooting over 50 people dead is terrible.
Well one time would be when they built houses in the occupied territory
And how did it end up “occupied”?
Nothing to do with the little matter of an out military invasion by neighbouring Arab countries? You know, invasion, “coming over the border” as it’s sometimes called, but with tanks and bombs.
Tell me, just what did happen to the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem when the Arabs “came across the border”? I’m sure you would agree that a few thousand dead Jews is terrible, of course...
Dead people are terrible, their religion does not make them more or less important , in a part of the world where sides are digging in deeper and refusing to compromise rewarding one side is irresponsible. Continuing with a photo op after this bloodshed is disgusting.
rewarding one side
only one side is sworn to the complete destruction of the other.
