Trump looks in a state of shock, which to be fair is understandable.
In a way, I'd love to see the old bastard succeed, at least in some parts of the agenda he's set out. And I'm a lefty-liberal, pinko commie scumbag.
By that I mean: wrest back control from the neocon globalist movements that are creeping into everything, poisoning everything......its a total race to the bottom for all of us now. The poorer nations have had to deal with the thick end of it for longer than we have, but its now hitting us in the West and we don't like it one little bit. Boo-hoo us. We helped create the situation, but there you go. Capital is in the driving seat, operating through the quasi-states of mega-corps, and trickle down is a myth.
That would be an excellent thing, and we can all see now that its the core of his success in appealing to the broken and disenfranchised- we (I mean me and my lefty-liberal, pinko commie scumbag friends) just didn't see that as we're in our wee bubbles. Fair enough, lesson learned.
But....[i]can he really do it[/i]? America loves its cheap stuff just as much as we do. I said this before, in an earlier post, but unless we all accept that consumer goods and the means to produce them will cost us more, then its all for nothing. Can America deal with the fact that internalising certain costs of production will effectively amount to subsidising their workers salaries for producing them?
Same thing over here: we could open the pits tomorrow (well, not really, but bear with me), start to use UK coal, but at what cost? To make it competitive against other locally-produced energy sources, we'd need to pump in huge amounts of public money. People would be in work, but we'd be paying for it via the state.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing.....but its very un-American, and very opposed to how Trump has operated in business. So....as many of us have been involved in governmental procurement, running businesses, costing....how can he do it?
My big fear: he's talking about slashing American salaries. He's already said that American workers are paid too much. Is that his game?
The national Front have been involved in violence throughout their history, Jamba. "le service d'ordre" of the party is known for its violence.
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HE WONT EVEN TRYcan he really do it?
I suspect the question is not can he do it (we have discussed that already and automation alone says he can't) but does he actually want to do it?
He makes a lot of money from the status quo and very little extra from the vision he proposes. Maybe he is altruistic.
He's 70 do you think more money matters when history is on offer.
the most confusing thing about chewy, jamba and ninfan is that folk actually try and engage with [s]him[/s]them
FTFY
Wilburt - I'm on first name terms with one of Warren Buffet's direct reports, and I've had the privilege of being present at Warren's stakeholder meeting.
Warren is somewhat older than Trump and trust me money matters to him - not to spend he's not interested in that particularly, but as a way of keeping score.
fair point
The only difference is i think jamby means what he says but his use of argument and facts are diabolical.
Ninfan has no idea what he believes so how could we- he will argue any position though and has some great goggle fu to be fair.
[quote=chewkw ]Yes, but why can't he just have sometime to celebrate his election win before starting to pen push? What's the hurry?
Do you think 4 years will be enough? (note, taking the piss != engaging)
[quote=igm ]I suspect the question is not can he do it (we have discussed that already and automation alone says he can't) but does he actually want to do it?
We've also already discussed that - of course not. It's a question which is answered quite simply by posing this other one: why did Trump run for president? The answer to that isn't that he's suddenly changed from what he's already been.
[quote=wilburt ]He's 70 do you think more money matters when history is on offer.
No it does not matter that is why he retired
It does matter to him the only question is does anything else
He has lots of children and grandchildren.
"I hope the Russians love their children too".
Sting, who plays the Bataclan tonight.
Jesus christ, jeremey clarkson and Jeremey Corbyn, where all ridiculed by a miniority of attention seekers, and theyre still doing the rounds,and some of us support their beliefs and teachings.
The chaps not even got the keys or company credit card as yet and some already seem to find him failing............
Well maybe he'll surprise us all, project. But you do realise this is a vanity thing for him?
Cant he just stay on for a few years more?
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I know why are folk being so tough in the serial ego maniacal racist pussy grabber with a history of bankruptcies, litigation and serial dishonestyThe chaps not even got the keys or company credit card as yet and some already seem to find him failing............
I have no idea why he is not getting the benefit of the doubt as he rows back from his own promises/rhetoric project none at all
Has someone just quoted Sting? 😯
Even for this place that is a new low
I know why are folk being so tough in the serial ego maniacal racist pussy grabber with a history of bankruptcies, litigation and serial dishonesty
I have no idea why he is not getting the benefit of the doubt as he rows back from his own promises/rhetoric project none at all
not on his christmas card list then, not bitter at all
Clearly i am gutted i am not on his xmas card list and that really was the cause of my comments
FFS this place is increasingly childish 🙄
Where did all the grown ups go who had opinions and brains and could explain a point as they peppered you with clever insults ?
now its just shit like that
Clearly i am gutted i am not on his xmas card list and that really was the cause of my commentsFFS this place is increasingly childish
Where did all the grown ups go who had opinions and brains and could explain a point as they peppered you with clever insults ?
now its just shit like that
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The childishness belongs to people who dont live in the usa, didnt have a chance to not vote for him, and yet foster strange and percieved ideas, promoted by media on both sides of the sea, who obviously dont want to change.
If you want to change democracy move to the usa, stand for election, or vote if you ever are accepted as an american citizen for whoever you think will offer you the best deal, if you cant accept that argument ask mummy and daddy to explain other countrys democracy to you, and why it has nothing to do with us.
The chaps not even got the keys or company credit card as yet and some already seem to find him failing............
Have you seen the people he is likely to give responsibility to? Talk about heading back to the age of belief and quackery over science and evidence!
Given his already broadcast views on climate and international affairs, someone would be monumentally dim to think his election had nothing to do with them, no matter where on the globe they lived.
(I'm a Brit living in America, so I do have a certain right to talk about this, even by your odd standards).
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Ill send you an xmas card JY
even if you do foster foster strange and percieved ideas 😯
Wow. You do realise this is a discussion on a mountain bike forum, project? I'm not quite sure why none of us are allowed to express our opinions of how incompetent he is just because we didn't have a vote. Actually, why are you on this thread expressing opinions?
Anyway, I don't think we've yet done Clinton's comments on why she lost:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37963965
IMHO she has a point - the polls certainly moved markedly following that intervention, and it only needed a very small difference for her to have won.
C'mon project...Trump is a douche no matter how you wrap up the package and if those that voted him in really expect change to come from his presidency then i expect they'll be quite annoyed when Trumps promises don't pan out. I imagine by that time they'll have either turned their guns on themselves in a fit of rage/frustration or they'll go full postal on others.
obvs can never know for sure, but when it was such a small number of voters in swing states that won it for Trump (ignoring all other issues!)
Comey is defo gonna be on Trumps Xmas card list
One which came up on Wednesday morning, but I don't think I've mentioned before. In discussion on an online game - with people I've been chatting to for years, so kind of acquainted with even if I've never met them and never will:
somebody else: so who voted
me: the gullible it appears
I can't remember the exact words of the response, but the suggestion was that I'd been taken in by the liberal press (liberal clearly being pejorative).
Trump has been voted in democratically so he is legit.
Protesting against a legitimate outcome of an election is doing exactly the opposite and I don't understand why protestors cannot accept the result.
[b]Please describe your feeling the moment you realised Trump has become the President Elect.[/b]
thats gotta smart for May/ Johnson / Fox
No wonder Johnson doesnt want to show his face at the EU Trump whinge-a-thon
Maybe there's a job offer on the table and we can get rid of the nasty piece of flotsam.
“Brexit was the first real kick back against the liberal establishment, which has dominated with its friends in big business and the big banks, dominated the world for the last couple of decades,” he (Farage) said.
So off he trots to America to have a chat with his mate after the little people voted to get rid of the establishment in favour of one of the biggest business people in the States.
It's almost like he makes it up on the hoof.
If Trumps such a douche (whatever that is) how come he just became President of the USA?
He's either a genius or everyone else is really shit.
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Ouch !
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/12/nigel-farage-arrives-in-new-york-to-meet-president-electthats gotta smart for May/ Johnson / Fox
No wonder Johnson doesnt want to show his face at the EU Trump whinge-a-thon
Wonder what the EU bureaucrats are going to do about that ... 😆
I suggest EU should start threatening UK a bit more ... Go on they know they want to. 😈
Fair enough chewkw- I'm sure you have never commented on any vote that didn't go the way you liked. I'm sure if, for example, Brexit had been rejected you wouldn't have made any comments about Zombie Maggots. 🙄
Please describe to me your feeling the moment you realised Trump has become the President Elect.
I'd use words like worried, frightened, resentful, angry, sad.
douche (whatever that is)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche
not a bad description of the orange one
No, no, no ... Zombie Maggot has nothing to do with Brexit or anything else. The term is generally referred to the Entire Human Race with No exception unless I explicitly exclude a person from this definition. There are even some in my family (someone related then related) which I would describe as worst than ZM.GrahamS - Member
I'm sure if, for example, Brexit had been rejected you wouldn't have made any comments about Zombie Maggots.
Those are Not good feelings which might cause you more problems if not careful. If you feel angry for a moment that is acceptable but if you continue to feel more than that you might suffer without knowing. It is simply not worth it so let it go.I'd use words like worried, frightened, resentful, angry, sad.
. It is simply not worth it so let it go.
Wise words from chewk, it must be the end of times!
Good on the BBC to show the Mandela movie tonight.
I suggest EU should start threatening UK a bit more ... Go on they know they want to.
Wasn't aware they had threatened us. Please do enlighten me mr bureaucrat.
Protesting against a legitimate outcome of an election is doing exactly the opposite and I don't understand why protestors cannot accept the result.
You may not understand it - in fact i believe that. Do broaden your mind. Protesting against things you don't like, even if you have no belief it will change things, is the very essence of a free democratic state.
Ask Jamba about whether he though the Brexit vote would succeed (he freely told us often enough) but he still protested. Now the boot's on the other foot it's time for right thinking people everywhere, the silent majority to speak out against the small mindedness of things like Brexit and the innate racism of Trump. Do join us, it may be in your interests.
Anyway, I'm off to Nebraska in January I'll find out what folk on the ground think then.
[quote=chewkw ]Protesting against a legitimate outcome of an election is doing exactly the opposite and I don't understand why protestors cannot accept the result.
Yeah - WTF was everybody doing protesting about us being members of the EU and refusing to accept the result of the 1975 referendum?
I suspect Chewkw is actually a stockbroker who had a wager that that Farage chap in the year below at Dulwich might actually pull it off.
Yeah - WTF was everybody doing protesting about us being members of the EU and refusing to accept the result of the 1975 referendum?
The EU didn't exist in 1975
The intention did. You're good at google ninfan
Ya, didn't they all described Brexit as "hard" eh? I mean what the flying pig is hard and soft Brexit? UK is out. Simple.igm - Member
Wasn't aware they had threatened us. Please do enlighten me mr bureaucrat.
Protesting prior to the election to influence the voters I say you are good at your game, but protesting after losing a legitimate election is basically snowflakes in melt down.Protesting against things you don't like, even if you have no belief it will change things, is the very essence of a free democratic state.
The snowflakes called themselves the silent majority now? They are silent? 😆 The real silent majority are the ones that voted the snowflakes out. They are silent alright. They are not celebrities endorsed. They are not eagerly trying to be needy or to be selfie "cool". They are the silent majority. Snowflakes don't even know the meaning of racism if they see one.the silent majority to speak out against the small mindedness of things like Brexit and the innate racism of Trump.
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Wise words from chewk, it must be the end of times!
No, not the end of time but watching lousy movie on telly at the moment. I don't even know how many times I have watched Bored Ultimatum now.
You mean the handful that protested because they were sold out by Ex-PM Ted? While the rest just zombie walked into the EU Project trap only to be woken up 43 years later? If you called that protest then yes they protested.aracer - Member
Yeah - WTF was everybody doing protesting about us being members of the EU and refusing to accept the result of the 1975 referendum?
No, not the end of time but watching lousy movie on telly at the moment. I don't even know how many times I have watched Bored Ultimatum now.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.
Luckily I just had my gin and tonic otherwise I would be bored to death on my sofa. I shall be buying a bottle of Beefeater gin as I just run out ... Gin and tonic, I like.gofasterstripes - Member
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.
Now, that hurts ... really that hurts. I missed the chance to win good money. 2 - Nil. Because I could have won some £££ by now if I put a bet on my predictions. I mean 2 - Nil. Instead, now I have to start counting the time of EU system collapse ... I shall have my hat-trick, yes I will.igm - Member
I suspect Chewkw is actually a stockbroker who had a wager that that Farage chap in the year below at Dulwich might actually pull it off.
EU bureaucrats ain't see nothing yet ...
Chewkw - no you won't, because you don't exist, you're made up.
Also...
Protesting prior to the election to influence the voters I say you are good at your game, but protesting after losing a legitimate election is basically snowflakes in melt down.
It's always prior to the next time - what is past as they say is prologue
And, whisper it, Donald is the snowflake. Watch his promises melt away.
Clearly i am gutted i am not on his xmas card list and that really was the cause of my comments
FFS this place is increasingly childish
Where did all the grown ups go who had opinions and brains and could explain a point as they peppered you with clever insults ?
now its just shit like that
God this is one of the most whining posts I've ever read on here !! I wouldn't have voted for Trump but not being a US citizen I couldn't. But guess what he won end of, it doesn't matter whether you or anyone thinks he's fit to be president he's going to be.
I sincerely wish him the best of luck and hope he'll be a good president for the sake of all American's and by default the rest of us.Quote thing doesn't seem to have worked but you get the jist.
Protesting prior to the election to influence the voters I say you are good at your game, but protesting after losing a legitimate election is basically snowflakes in melt down.
Questioning the legitimacy is daft and pointless unless they have some actual evidence of fraud.
But seems pretty reasonable to say "You don't speak for me. You're not my president"
And don't forget this isn't limited to leftie snowflakes - there was a lot of that after Obama got in, with people saying he wasn't their president and claiming he was a secret Muslim and wasn't even American - in fact Trump was one of the most vocal about that!
I shall be buying a bottle of Beefeater gin as I just run out ... Gin and tonic, I like.
Wait till you try it with [i]decent[/i] gin 😀
Scots gin?
For those suggesting that it's just for Americans to complain or discuss, if Trump manages some of his ideas then it will impact Mexico, China, Iran specifically, make it harder for any country to do business with or in America change the face of Nato and global relationships. Unfortunately we are all invested in this. Same as brexit impacts more than just the UK.
But seems pretty reasonable to say "You don't speak for me. You're not my president"
Well put. The other concern is that those who backed him include some of the more extreme gun toting down with government groups who now feel empowered. Wait till they get let down.
Every time I look at those placard slogan I thought some one is going to hit me with tofu.GrahamS - Member
But seems pretty reasonable to say "You don't speak for me. You're not my president"
He IS a Muslim unless you want to call him [u][b]Berak[/b][/u] Obama in which case he might be insulted. Well, they questioned him but I cannot remember mass protest.And don't forget this isn't limited to leftie snowflakes - there was a lot of that after Obama got in, with people saying he wasn't their president and claiming he was a secret Muslim and wasn't even American
If you can keep the price to max £20 for good bottle then I want to know. I was looking at Plymouth Gin and Martin Miller's gin .... £25 ... is it worth it?Wait till you try it with decent gin
Which one? I thought gin and tonic are associated with London only? I mean for my pretend "purist" ... told by me mates Gin means London. 😆igm - Member
Scots gin?
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Theresa who?
Chewkw is now a parody of an impression of a troll.
Gin? Nice bottle of Jura ftw
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When did Spitting Image make its return?
Plymouth Gin and Martin Miller's gin .... £25 ... is it worth it?
I wouldnt, You know Plymouth isn't in London?
I imagine chewkw as a borat type figure.
If that photo doesn't say 'men of the people' then I don't know what does.
Shit-eating grins all round. Two men who can't quite believe how gullible the electorate has turned out to be.
A millionaire and a billionaire in a gold plated skyscraper.
Of course they are doing it all for the little guy and its absolutely, 100% nothing to do with their gas-giant sized egos 🙄
Should we now merge this thread wit the EU referendum thread?
Nice picture. Just need to add Clarkson & that would be my 3 favourite people in 1 shot.
When you say "in 1 shot"...?
Nice picture
They look like all their racist, sexist, hate-filled christmases have come at once
Small world. Found out today via a Huffington Post article an ex-colleague who I sat next to when working in NY ran Trumps fund-raising. Rumoured to be in line for a significant position in the administration.
@mike the US pays 70% of NATOs budget, Trump is quite right to tell the members to honour their spending commitments. What excuse does Belgium have for example to pay half of what it is supposed to ? Ex NATO Anders F-R head was complaining that the US should be doing more in Ukraine, I think Trump is quite right to say (as Obama did) - your doorstep, your foreign policy initiatives lead to it, your problem.
Theresa who?
Not a massive surprise Farage and Banks are in NY "first" as they where part of Trumps campaign. UK Govt distanced itself from Trump during the election, that made politcal sense.
May will be the first (or one of) leaders to travel to NY to meet him.
I see the Germans got their lederhosen in a twist over the prospects of a US/UK trade deal, whilst many in EU where opposed to TTIP they have put many many man years of work (and €€€€) into it and it's now as dead as a Dodo.
I see the Germans got their lederhosen in a twist over the prospects of a US/UK trade deal, whilst many in EU where opposed to TTIP they have put many many man years of work (and €€€€) into it and it's now as dead as a Dodo.
There is every chance that Trump will have vacated the white house before we start negotiating a trade deal with the US, in the miracle that we start that early relying on an isolationist & protectionist president who seems to pride himself on making great deals to come allow the passing of a deal that will be favourable to the UK.
Also if you were going to work on priorities the EU would be ahead of the UK on size alone (apart from the fact they can start) also in your great experience how long does one take to negotiate?
there was a lot of that after Obama got in, with people saying he wasn't their president and claiming he was a secret Muslim and wasn't even American
He IS a Muslim
Says who?
That farage photo just makes me think that king midas's delivery of unics came early this year.
No doubt someone will be along to point out that this guy is a national disgrace or something, but I think he hit it on the head (it's a bit sweary)
Slowoldman are you for real? At least attempt to google for information, I mean that is the least you can do. Innit. Not that I bother about his religion as I come from a region surrounded by his faith.slowoldman - Member
He IS a Muslim
Says who?
Yes, in my town I do offer some good pork chops to me mates. Unlike you lot that might go ape flying, they take no offense at me offering pork chop. They just refuse to eat my offer but we are all good pals. We have our own ways of making fun of each others. 😆
He said it himself. Just stick to the first half of the clip while the second half is about something else.
Interesting roundtable discussion on Trump. Comments on Obamacare from Republican perspective. Emily Thornbury's face at 9:40 shows huge intolerance and constantly speaking over other contributors.
Boba yup he speaks a lot of sense. [b]The video sums up STW political threads perfectly.[/b]
@mike officially we can't start negotiating a deal till March 2019 but we all know in reality we are having discussions globally as we type.
Is she talking over farage? - Some people find it hard to respect racists,
Before someone quotes Pie at me, as regards the referendum, people did shout racist at farage, but only when he was being racist, (eg refugee posters), not so sure about Trump but when the lies from Vote Leave about economic out political benefits of Brexit (eg bullshit on a bus) were pointed out they were called project fear & dismissed as coming from experts 🙄
There's nothing wrong with calling someone racist, when that's what they are
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@mike officially we can't start negotiating a deal till March 2019 but we all know in reality we are having discussions globally as we type.
and how long do they normally take? remember how many trade negotiators we have, and the tricky part of having no idea what the rest of the picture looks like/ Forgive me for not being overly optimistic there.
On the time frame it's 2 years from the start of A50, any sign of a bill to parliament yet?
Also by 2020 the next rounds of US Primaries will be taking place and they will be thinking of conventions and elections. It really doesn't matter what Trump thinks on this issue does it...
I was trying to work out where I'd seen Farage's expression before. Seems appropriate enough.
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Sam Harris. Thought this was interesting (will post in Corbyn thread too)
Précis?
What Harris is saying is again, obvious to anyone who is vaguely
cognizant of history, Fascism in Germany was in part a middle class backlack to working class communisism back in the 30's. Not to mention that now, like then, we have a divided left bitterly arguing amongst themselves - unaware of the real threat that was looming. Of course the loss of universalist values and the rise of identiy politics was going to drive political polarisation, did we really think that it meant that one side was going to convince the other or we were all going to find some middle ground compromise?
This was all so ****ing predictable - and few people actually really understanf what happened - we have political pundits who are paid in the triple figures who are utterly devoid of the ability to call on historical perspective.
And lefty friends of mine in the states, still think that it's clever to go on BLM rallies, use the language of struggle and violence to describe their movement and declare Trump as not being their president. What do they think the outcome of this will be? Will people suddenly change their mind about Trump? **** no, the right will harden it's resolve. The only way the left can counter this is by reasserting universalist values and show a united front against right wing politics.
Wall, fence, what's the difference...?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37969112
I'm sure it will be magnificent, either way...
they had a divided left bitterly arguing amongst themselves - unaware of the real threat that was looming
Meanwhile, at Republican Party headquarters: