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you can see the reasons for the anger, but why do they think Trump is the answer to their problems ?
They don't. There are many reasons, but the best ones [url= http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/ ]are summarised by Michael Moore[/url].
leads me to suspect we're all over thinking this.
Pretty much.
leads me to suspect [b]we're all[/b] over thinking this.
Speak for yourself.
looks at percentage of votes for each candidate and pondersLuckily for him Clinton was an even bigger failure.
Alan Sorkin's letter to his daughters:
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/aaron-sorkin-donald-trump-president-letter-daughter
I like the way he veers from a direct lift from the West Wing, to calling Trump a douche nozzle.
Lol at the Newsnight clip on FB.
"What are you going to do on your first day in the White House?"
"Lots of things. So many things you wouldn't believe"
Ok, Donald. Things. Got it.
Also, [url= http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-seeks-to-delay-trial-until-after-inauguration/ar-AAk9Ntl ]could get juicy![/url]
Ronald Reagan was similarly demonised by the left, especially outside the USA, but I think was widely considered by most Americans to have been a very good President (and to have been much smarter than many gave him credit for being).
Sorry I'm a bit late but Reagan was all ready a politician having served as governor before making his Whitehouse bid. Trump has no experience and that's the worrying part for the thinking American / the best part for the rabble rousers. Hopefully the experiment will be cost neutral/beneficial.
Stoner, that academic is saying nothing new....Eric Hoffer said the exact same thing 60 years ago. Do people really have this short a lived collective memory?
Eric Hoffer said the exact same thing 60 years ago. Do people really have this short a lived collective memory?
Everyone needs to read Hoffer. +1
Alan (sic) Sorkin's letter to his daughters:
Sentimental clap trap that makes him so successful as a scriptwriter.
meaty - MemberSentimental clap trap that makes him so successful as a scriptwriter.
Perhaps, but who would you want to write a rallying cry to the Democratic Party other than Arron Sorkin? I can't think of anyone better.
In all honesty, and I wouldn't have voted for him, I'm optimistic about his presidency.
He's got everything going for him, so should be able to effect change and in short order.
I'm hoping that he won't repeal all of Obamacare, but we'll see; the first 100days will set the tone. If it's a total clusterf***, at least it's only 4years unlike Brexit.
I'm optimistic about his presidency
Based on what?
"Based on what?"
I'm optimistic. Given people are worried he'll nuke China and Russia in his first week he can only exceed expectations.
Perhaps, but who would you want to write a rallying cry to the Democratic Party other than Arron Sorkin? I can't think of anyone better.
He will appeal to the liberals on the West and East Coasts, but they have got those votes in the bag, maybe a bit less JayZee and Beyonce and a bit more Archie Bunker is what they need to win the rust belt states where they lost the election.
Based on what?
I have doubled up on the lottery tonight, the world cannot continue to be this unlucky, can it?
I have doubled up on the lottery tonight, the world cannot continue to be this unlucky, can it?
Haha, likewise.
People who know President Elect Trump, who have worked with him, have said that he's a pragmatist, that he geniuinely wants to make a difference...I still think he's a little unhinged, but then, so was Churchill and he's probably our most revered statesman of all time...
I prefer people with flaws and conviction over flawless people with nothing you can hold them to.
Eh? Trump is the living embodiment of Neo-liberalism.
Trump identified the problem of communities which have been left out of the nation's economic success over the last two decades, and offered solutions. Between 1996 and 2013 annual per-capita US GDP has grown from around $30,000 to $53,000. But most households haven't shared equally in that. US real median household income has been on a downward trend since 1999 and (after a second temporary blip in 2007) is now back where it was in 1996.
His campaign was based on fixing the economy for those people and they voted for it; he also provided endless distractions with his comments and behaviour. The Democrats responded by attacking his personal suitability but didn't make the case for the economy. In the end, it was the economy stupid.
Trump's solution for those who've been left behind is to blame it on foreigners - immigration and trade - and build the walls to keep them out.
This is mercantilism - trade is a zero-sum game and America will be better off if he negotiates tougher terms to raise the price of imports, which will hurt the foreigners and benefit America.
Most likely he will pick on limited product areas, such as steel, to attempt to revive the US industries which have suffered, whilst allowing iphones to travel unimpeded.
His view of trade and globalisation seems commonplace, but the root cause of the losses of those rust-belt communities isn't trade, it's technological change. The productive businesses which generated wealth for those communities in the past have been overtaken by changes in technology, and those communities are struggling to find new roles. Whilst the pace of change has been increasing, there hasn't been an effective policy response either in the US or the UK.
The neo-liberal response of 'let them make their own way' hasn't worked.
There's also the increasingly unequal distribution of the spoils of economic success.
Trump's solution is a programme of public infrastructure building, and tax cuts which will keep the Republican Congress on side. So the spending taps will open. The infrastructure spending will stimulate the economy broadly, but leaves the underlying issues of technological change and income distribution unaddressed.
If he succeeds, expect inflation to rise, the Fed to raise interest rates to compensate and Trump to attempt to loosen the Fed's grip by appointing dovish board members and Chair.
Still, unless he provokes another global financial crisis by blocking trade, or causes a geopolitical upset, it should be enough to secure a second term.
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Interesting AMA on Reddit:
"A mouthpiece of the Russian government has intervened in the American election to help sway the outcome towards their preferred candidate and the Republicans could not be happier about it.
So many words I never thought I'd say."
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37953528 ]The Doughnut decides that Obamacare might not be that bad afterall.[/url]
That won't offset putting creationist whacko Carson in as secretary of education.
Interesting comments from Trumps security advisor, he and republicans are looking at a big increase in military budget, which they feel Obama has neglected
[url= http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/donald-trump-doesnt-like-this-any-more-than-you-do-1788862854?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow ]The poo has hit the turbine[/url]
Love that Grahamh and completely agree, interview with former employee reckoned he hated working more than 2 days in a row.... This is going to be painful for him
The downside is that America just elected Mike Pence to the presidency
This guy agrees with me but for different reasons
Meh. Personally I just think that's Trump's attempt to look serious and statesman like.
He may well be a little nervous too, but to be honest I'd be more worried if he wasn't!
interview with former employee reckoned he hated working more than 2 days in a row.... This is going to be painful for him
Well, if Obama has racked up over 300 rounds of golf then perhaps there's some room to delegate after all?
Be interesting to see how Trump handles his first law suit,
The judge has advised him to just pay it off, he wants to defer until after he's prez, hoping that by then he'll be untouchable?
Ooooooo 300 rounds of golf in 8 years. Wow! Thats a whole round of golf (4-5 hours? So not even a whole day off) every 9-10 days. The man must be impeached immediately.
Must be a little embarrassing for DT to be relying on Obama to call for calm as a result of anti-DT protests.
Over 50% of those who voted democrat or republican didn't want you Donnie boy. Best get used to it.
We've gone from "Trump will nuke China" to "Trump won't do enough" in 48 hours. At this rate of improvement he's going to be curing cancer by next week and he hasn't even started. #bestpresidentever
igm - Member
Must be a little embarrassing for DT to be relying on Obama to call for calm
Trump's 'its not fair' tweet was fairly hilarious, after all the birther conspiracy crap he pulled he just looked embarrassed sitting with Obama.
how about putting 3 of his children at key posts ?
is that democracy ?
Do you lot think Trump won with a narrow margin?
cchris2lou - Member
how about putting 3 of his children at key posts
As pointed out on hignfy
It's going to be hilarious
hilarious is one way to put it .
First police shooting of a black person will be a coming back to earth moment for America .
Over 50% of those who voted democrat or republican didn't want you Donnie boy. Best get used to it.
I'm sure he's crying into his cornflakes over that 🙄
Just imagine -
DT: "I may have won the election and am now the next president of the United States, but I wish I had won an extra percent of the vote, just for my own vanity"
multilingual, ex-sports illustrated bikini model wife who is twenty odd years younger than him: "there there dear, I'm sure you'll feel better about it when your dedicated secret service close protection team have had air-force one resprayed gold as you asked, now, would you like another cup of coffee in one of your Diamond encrusted coffee mugs?
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hilarious is one way to put it .
First police shooting of a black person will be a coming back to earth moment for America .
Watching the political fallout will be amusing- Christie has already been demoted allegedly coz he prosecuted the father of trumps son in law,
His inexperience means he will have to rely heavy on the republicans to tell him who to appoint to his staff for much of the work, his promise as the anti-establishment prez, ringing pretty hollow straight away I suspect
I do worry that socially it's going to be nasty, one Brexit nut made? a gun in the UK and killed Joe cox, **** knows what could happen in a country so chock full of firepower. The well publicised KKK Trump victory rally in Carolina this weekend, is bound to attract trouble.
First police shooting of a black person will be a coming back to earth moment for America .
It's not like that wasn't a problem under Obama though ?
There have been many stories of Obama "calling it in" from the golf course over the past 2 years.
Those Merican snowflakes are really over reacting aren't they.
Those Merican snowflakes are really over reacting aren't they
Well, they are until the TV presenter catches them out.
Is that guy for real ... Priceless. 😆ninfan - Member
Well, they are until the TV presenter catches them out.
Well, they are until the TV presenter catches them out.
Another irrefutable ninfact, almost as dodgy as the jambafacts.
Do you lot think Trump won with a narrow margin?
Well there are still 2 states to declare but at the moment Hillary leads by 0.3%, so it seems quite close.
Does anyone know where I can find odds for trump not lasting the full term in office?
The more I read about him the more I think he'll hate being president. It really wouldn't surprise me if he resigns or 'becomes ill'.
Edit - I guess impeachment / assassination is also just as likely!
I doubt it'll be assassination, of they could protect Obama, no matter how many people he offends.
Interesting to see how his court cases pan out.
Illness or impeachment much more likely, Ive no doubt that the republicans around him will be the ones running the show, I'm not sure he'll have too much leeway with defence. Other than he's said he wanted to spend much more. Worryingly the whole drone assassination machine has come about since the the Bush days, Obama used it enough, the potential for the reps and Trump to use it on the Iranians for example and stir up untold levels of shit is worrying. If he tries to honour his pledge of destroying ISIS in 30 days, 5gose drones are gonna be crazy busy, that or a lot more arms shipments to proxy allies.
No idea what about trade war with China would look like, with implications for south China sea flashpoints.
China have already stepped in to set up their own version of TTIP at Asia Pacific trade conference in Peru, now it's demise has been confirmed with a Trump presidency.
NAFTA, who knows a lot harder to unpick a trade deal that's already in place for 20+ years
Do you lot think Trump won with a narrow margin?
A quick calc said it was about 100,000 votes in total over 3 states that swung it to Trump
chewkw - Member
Do you lot think Trump won with a narrow margin?
Well HC is ahead on the popular vote (like the referendum count if that helps explain it to you) by around 200k votes I think, and someone has calculated that if 144k voters (out of 120 million so just over 0.1%) had voted differently the she'd have won in the electoral college.
So yes close.
But Trump won - in a narrow and highly divisive vote, where many people appear to have voted along racial (not necessarily racist, but...) lines.
I think he'd best get used to protest, poor little snowflake that he is. #itsnotfair
Edit: timing is everything
Sounds like the back-pedalling on Obamacare will be the first in a series of tactical retreats.
What worries me is that the people who voted for trump are the same people who voted for brexit. They're already angry. With some justification.Both Trump an Farage were right to point out that people have been abandoned to the forces of globalisation, by politicians who don't give a **** about them
But these people have no answers. They simply offer scapegoats, and try to present easy answers to comply problems. Everything they promised isn't within their power to deliver. And they know it!
When it becomes apparent that this shiny new future they were promised doesn't exist, and that they've been royally conned, and taken for mugs, by a bunch of self-serving populist charlatans, what then?
I can see some serious civil unrest on the horizon, because for these already angry, disenfranchised, and 'left-behind' sections of society, I'd say things, far from getting better, are about to get considerably worse! While the people who use this moment as an opportunity to increase their already comfortable wealth and circumstances, will be the usual suspects, who never seem to lose.
All this is not going to end well
Well said binners.
But Trump won - in a narrow and highly divisive vote, where many people appear to have voted along racial (not necessarily racist, but...) lines.
I know he's orange but both he and Clinton are actually white.
The Republicans won everything, President, Senate and House. However you look at it it was a landslide.
Yup the popular vote was close even though polls said it would not be. Trump won spending half the money Hillary did, she and the Democrats threw everything they could at it and came up short.
The Republicans won everything, President, Senate and House. However you look at it it was a landslide.
If I close my eyes, I can't see you. If I can't see you, then you can't see me. #Fact.
I can see some serious civil unrest on the horizon,
All the social unrest I see is coming from the defeated, ie Republicans. Ditto in France where violent demonstrators are all from the hard left.
Don't put too much store in the press trying to restablish credibility (having got election totally wrong) by publishing stories about Trump backpedalling. He is going to go in a very different direction than Obama.
Trump winning after using xenophobia and prejudice as an election tactic, was always going to spell trouble with the tensions already so high, it's only taken a few of Trumps far right admirers daubing swaztikas about to provoke people even more.
Sadly predictable
Don't put too much store in the press trying to restablish credibility (having got election totally wrong) by publishing stories about Trump backpedalling. He is going to go in a very different direction than Obama.
He barely published a single policy, back pedal would be ambitious.
Mind you he needs a list
Fix blind trust problems (giving kids control doesn't cut it)
Leave his pad in NYC (from Reading the delicate little snowflake doesn't like change)
Work out how to work with republicans he has spent 12months slagging off.
All the social unrest I see is coming from the defeated, ie Republicans.
Jambafact!
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/racist-incidents-after-trumps-victory
Is that a crime? Are you concerned that it will affect his election outcome?mikewsmith - Member
He barely published a single policy, back pedal would be ambitious.
Ditto in France where violent demonstrators are all from the hard left.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619463/Paris-attacks-Anti-Muslim-protests-Islam-France-terrorism
Surprised you missed this one as the far right was out to have a pop at Muslims. I would have thought more likely you were out with them than you forgot
Why do you insist on saying things that are just untrue?
alpin - Member
He is a bit energetic isn't he. 😯
Must be that large coffee he is carrying. 😆
Is that a crime? Are you concerned that it will affect his election outcome
Maybe try reading, he needs to sort out blind trust (legal) sort out some policy (he has none) then work out how to appease the voters who he is backflipping all over anything he has said (similar to his election campaign) legal doesn't matter
Yes, but why can't he just have sometime to celebrate his election win before starting to pen push? What's the hurry?mikewsmith - Member
Maybe try reading, he needs to sort out blind trust (legal) sort out some policy (he has none) then work out how to appease the voters who he is backflipping all over anything he has said (similar to his election campaign) legal doesn't matter
You do know he/they still need to have a proper celebration before resuming office? After all that outgoing President is still in office so what's the rush. Relax dude, relax ... chill.
Forget the Simpsons Rage predicted Trump (actually Michael Moore slipped the placard in)
@chewkw do you actually have a proper job? You're outlook if you presented it to me would probably get you fired.
the most confusing thing about chewy is that folk actually try and engage with him
Jamba - yes it was close. Trump won the electoral college vote by a far smalller margin than Clinton won the popular vote - it was up to about 400k this morning so closing on half a million.
I predict a bit of unrest. Let you know how it is when I'm next out there - should be January.
the most confusing thing about chewy is that folk actually try and engage with him
He's mildly amusing and it passes the time. I'm sure no one actually takes him seriously.
I am a bureaucrat with the efficiency of a machine.mikewsmith - Member
@chewkw do you actually have a proper job? You're outlook if you presented it to me would probably get you fired.
Who is going to fire President Elect Trump if he takes time to savour his election win? The outgoing President?
Oh c'mon ... President Elect Trump has not even finished celebration and outgoing President is still in office, you expect everything to be in place?captainsasquatch - Member
He's mildly amusing and it passes the time. I'm sure no one actually takes him seriously.
I found it hard to even make out what his point wasHe's mildly amusing and it passes the time
then again I have not seen his posts for months now so perhaps so many folk file blocking have led him to [s]troll[/s] express himself in a slightly less bonkers way?
It was all long posts on zombie maggots and Glocks last time i had the pleasure
I also found it nuts the way he was an immigrant bureaucrat who railed against immigrants and bureaucrats. i doubt very much that much of what he says of himself is true.
Any news on the Trump fraud trial or whether the head of the FBI is facing prosecution for influencing the election?
This thread is educational, who knew that being a cameraman excluded you from having a opinion 🙄
Fraud (trades description act really) trial no new news. FBI Obama will do nothing as there is zero upside, if Democrats press that they KNOW 100% Trump will follow up on his Clinton special prosecutor threat which he may well do anyway
EDIT: your link is a year old "apparently FN" ie they just made that up
Junky I don't read the Express and no coverage of that I have seen on French TV either (so news to me), only fact that finally socialisg mayor of Paris is taking action to clear the streets of the 50 new migrants arriving every week from Italy. With the Presidential election warming up the left afford to be seen to be doing nothing hence Calais cleared etc
What worries me is that the people who voted for trump are the same people who voted for brexit. They're already angry. With some justification.Both Trump an Farage were right to point out that people have been abandoned to the forces of globalisation, by politicians who don't give a **** about them
And the mugs voted to "bring back power" to them!
My link Jamba? Or another one?
I'd be disappointed if some action isn't taken against the FBI guy. We expect our lawmen to uphold the law not break it, which it seems he clearly did.
Not sure any action should be taken on the election result on the back of it though - Clinton conceded after all.
On the fraud / mis-selling - it sounds like Trump has a track record on that then... 😉
I think it just shows how poor the alternatives were that people had to vote for trump
and brexit.
Because Trump and Farage don't profit from globalisation?
Its not about them, they're amateurs and wouldn't have had a look in had our politicians represented everyone not just the few who usually vote or the businesses that lined their pockets.