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He said it himself. Just stick to the first half of the clip while the second half is about something else.

Its not "political correctness" that they have rejected though JimJam, white people accepted it mostly through the 90s and 2000s. Identity politics is a subgenre of being politically correct. It's the loss of universalist values, the values that say we are all the same and values that work for all. What they have rejected is politics along tribal lines, or at least recognized that is where the left have been going and have gone down the same route themselves in response.

This is not the right being angry at not being allowed to use the N word, or having to employ black people etc or being told that they cant be racist. It's them being pissed off with harrasment of white academics, with being told that they are all privileged and feeling excluded by things like safe spaces. To them, these things feel like hypocritical tribal politics.

The left forgot that its a class war, not a racial one and so lost their white working and lower middle class voting base.

So Trump wan't to remove 3 MILLION people from the US?

If those 3 million, who presumably don't want to leave, get organised, that's more than enough for civil un-rest to become civil war is it not?

He said he wants to deport or incarcerate all the criminals. Which is basically what's meant to happen anyway isn't it?

Good way to placate the baying mobs who don't listen carefully, without actually having to do anything.

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@max so you are saying if you try and deport 3 million people who are living in the US illegally there will be a mass uprising ? What's the point of having any laws at all then just pure Anarchy ?

@molgrips except that is not what is happening currently, Obama has been claiming he has been deporting more people than ever but he counts those refused entry at the border 😯

Kimbers no she was speaking over the very polite American lady who represents Republicans abroad. BTW she was extremely condesending suggesting Trump couldn't possibly learn on the job or bring anything new as he had no political experience. That was the point, Americans wanted something different and they do not believe politicans of either side have done a remotely decent job. Also incredibly popmpus to imply a politican was better qualified to run a country than a business person. Why the hell not ?

molgrips - Member

Did we do these yet?

igm - Member

Nope Chewkw, Obama does not say he is a Muslim at or around 1:03 or anywhere else that I could see. Some good (well it tries to be good) editing to attempt to give that impression but he doesn't say it.

Sorry and all.

In that case I shall cook him some pork chops then. Pork chop taste good. 😆

captainsasquatch - Member

He said it himself. Just stick to the first half of the clip while the second half is about something else.

Where? 😆

Chewkw do you mean the awkwardly edited bit that's obviously been done to make it look like he says he's Muslim? Or are you talking about a different bit?

I think he means the awkwardly edited bit. It's pretty clear that the video is rubbish.

akira - Member
Chewkw do you mean the awkwardly edited bit that's obviously been done to make it look like he says he's Muslim? Or are you talking about a different bit?

In that case I shall cook him some pork chops then. Pork chop taste good 😆

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atlaz - Member

In that case I shall cook him some pork chops then. Pork chop taste good

Yeah... but no. Obama ate pork on US TV

[quote=chewkw ]He is not a Muslim

Well why didn't you just say?

chewkw: he has never said he is a Muslim. A conspiracy nut's video of hatcheted together out-of-context quotes of him mentioning Muslims doesn't make him Muslim.

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interview in Christianity Today magazine[/url] in which he says: "I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life."

I'm not very up on religious stuff, but wouldn't most Muslims say they were Muslim and generally be somewhat against denying their faith and pretending they were Christian?

Anyways...

Harsh exchange of words at the Trump protests:

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60 minutes interview, just started watching it the now.

Quite a while ago, we had offas dyke to keep the welsh english apart, watts dyke for similar stuff, then Hadrians wall and a few others, then we have the so called peace wall in the northern part of ireland,israel has the wall, east germany had a wall, north and south korea have a border fence, what Mr Trump is saying is nothing new, and as for deporting ilegals we are also doing that in uk plc, we have hugely costly detention centres, some even burn down,due to carelessly discarded cigarettes etc.

In this country we have food banks,thousands on benefits,a failing underfunded nhs, a poor and expensive railway system, lack of affordable housing,crap repairs to roads, litle cycling infrastructure,council services being desimated etc etc, yet most spend their time having a go at a cheerful grandad type figure who has just been democratically elected by the country, while we have a woman named after a shampoo and who the public, thats us didnt elect, and most of probably would never elect.

[quote=project ]Quite a while ago, we had offas dyke to keep the welsh english apart, watts dyke for similar stuff, then Hadrians wall and a few others, then we have the so called peace wall in the northern part of ireland,israel has the wall, east germany had a wall, north and south korea have a border fence

Am I correct in understanding that you're using a combination of things which fell down millennia ago, things which are condemned by the international community and things which the locals on both sides tore down as examples of how reasonable Donny's plans to build a wall are? 🙄

I won't even go into the fact that pretty much all the things you mention as bad about this country are far worse in the US.

and now they have a new man and mangement to help change the situation, new broom sweeps clean etc, is a good proverb.

Thats what happens in industry and is a proven way of sorting out problems.

I applaud your optimism (I think that's the right word).

Though I note at least one of the things you mention being bad here, one of Donny's campaign pledges was to take the US further away from what would be good (though he does appear to have done a partial retraction now).

thats us didnt elect, and most of probably would never elect.

May would win a GE now by a landslide, personally I think she'll still be PM in 2020 and will win then.

new broom sweeps clean etc, is a good proverb.
Thats what happens in industry and is a proven way of sorting out problems.

Like when Dominic Chapel bought BHS ? 😆

There is no way Trump can deport 3 millions people . or is it 2 millions ? he is not even sure of the numbers and we are talking big numbers there . He has no intention of doing anything he said .

Those gangs have more weapons and controls than the police , he would have to send the army , and lots of them .

How can someone with 75 lawsuits against him can even be allowed to run for president ?

ignore that vid above btw, it's not tonights broadcast it's pre-election.

cchris2lou - Member
How can someone with 75 lawsuits against him can even be allowed to run for president ?

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he is going to court .

ignore that vid above btw, it's not tonights broadcast it's pre-election.

Yes I spotted that 😉

cchris2lou - Member
he is going to court .

There is no way Trump can deport 3 millions people . or is it 2 millions ? he is not even sure of the numbers and we are talking big numbers there . He has no intention of doing anything he said .

Those gangs have more weapons and controls than the police , he would have to send the army , and lots of them .

How can someone with 75 lawsuits against him can even be allowed to run for president ?

Yes a challenge but does that mean you shouldn't try ?

That seems to be a very good reason to tackle the problem, Anarchy otherwise. Also a good reason to support legal gun ownership ?

Let's see how many of those actually turn out to be meaningful or ever have enough merit to make it to court

That BBC link is 😮

What a con man !

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Legal affairs of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

I give up. He is not a Muslim

he can try to deport 3 million people but it is a bit like me saying I am going to win the TDF next year without training to get team SKY to take me on as team leader . it is bollxcks .

Trump actually said he'd deport "up to" 3 million criminal immigrants [i] or send them to prison[/i].

If one immigrant goes to prison in the next 4 years he'll have fulfilled his promise. He's only really setting an upper limit.

What if there's 10 million? He's literally promised not to send 7 million of them to prison.

That list of lawsuits is pretty vague in general, mostly against businesses he owns not him personally, look at these two .. he called someone a dummy on twitter and his campaign sent out some texts ... lock him up 😉

Mr Trump is also defending lawsuits tied to his campaign. In New York State, Republican political consultant Cheryl Jacobus filed a $4 million libel lawsuit claiming he "destroyed her career" by calling her "a dummy" on Twitter.

In another case, scheduled for 29 November in Chicago, it is alleged Trump's campaign violated consumer protection laws by sending unsolicited text messages to "Help Make America Great Again!".

As I said even the University ones are lame, trades description act (as it where) and not against him personally. Do you think he really has a great deal to do with course material or marketing copy ? A large business empire like he has will always be involved in litigation and disputes.

The sexual assault allegations could be serious but from what I have seen one certainly seems her word against his.

I'm not convinced that the people who voted for him will be satisfied if he only send 1 person to prison.

One of the University court case could lead to his impeachment as per the BBC link.
But more importantly do you think that it is morally right that he has been elected president with all those courts cases pending? Not really setting a good example is it?

Personally I'm not quite convinced he's the devil incarnate that people say he is. Aye, he ran a fairly ridiculous campaign. Btw I would actually say when you cut through the shit and compare what Hilary was saying and what trump is saying, there's not really much of a contest, trump was the more interesting policy wise. Have a look at his Gettysburg speech for evidence there, personally I think that's what won him it.. I don't agree with everything in it, far from it. But there's someone pretty interesting stuff and some actual content, and rather than proclaim his supporters as idiots, personally I can see why alot of people voted for him.

I'll watch what he does with interest.

People can moan about him all they like. But with clinton the democrats made a pigs ear of it.

cchris2lou - Member
....But more importantly do you think that it is morally right that he has been elected president with all those courts cases pending?...

Is it morally right to convict someone or punish them before the case is decided in court?

Is that the fifth or sixth time the Jonathan Pie video has been posted now?

It's almost like people aren't listening to what others are saying...

I am not condemning him , just asking is it right to elect someone president with so many questions marks over his integrity?

tbh I think you need a wee bit more than just question marks.

These days it seems a waste of time being bothered about the promises the people in power make. Often empty promises to gain the power and then they are never truly held to account (apart from by the opposition)..e.g. @jamba will always moan aabout Labour's cock-ups and lies but hypocritically disrgeard his own Tory parties lies and cock-ups as if they're the perfect example of a political party.

When Trump is unable to deliver his promises he'll simply blame all those around him and walk away with all his suporters forgiving him blaming the opposition too.

It's blinkered tribal politics.

Is it just me who instantly thought of this scene when Trump got voted in?

75 lawsuits! Phwa

President Zuma of South Africa had 700 plus cases of corruption against him and had narrowly wriggled out of a rape charge when he was elected. Now he's just been implicated in a "State Capture" report that indicates he and his friends have stolen literally billions of Rand from SA and have put in place plans to steal more. All while people are living in shacks and begging at the traffic lights.

Trump is a Boy Scout 🙂

So he makes a big deal out of being a "smart" businessman. So why didn't he see this coming, then?

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so Trump is mixing it up with his appointments

A standard mainstream Republican politico with Reince Priebus

but keeping it 'anti -establishment' (well former goldman sachs banker) with the darling of the[b] [s]mysoginistic, xenophobic, anti semtic, white supremacist movement[/s] alt-right[/b] Stephen Bannon 😯

As for the China trade war thing

It was so obvious who would be the looser in that one Trump was always going to have to back down.

Still good news for Airbus!
not so good for the UK if we leave the single market 🙁

Mr Woppit - Member
So he makes a big deal out of being a "smart" businessman. So why didn't he see this coming, then?

Oh dear. Didn't think of that.

I'm pretty certain he'll will have, ffs even I could foresee that! 😆

The guy is not an idiot. The fact that people still follow that narrative really makes me question the intelligence of the "left".

Oh dear. Didn't think of that.

“If Trump wrecks Sino-US trade, a number of US industries will be impaired. Finally the new president will be condemned for his recklessness, ignorance and incompetence,” the newspaper said.

spekkie - Member
75 lawsuits! Phwa

Be fair, that's only the currently open ones. I think he's in the 3000-4000 range total isn't he?

I don't know how this works - presumably so long as the Republican party keep supporting him and don't impeach him, it doesn't matter how many lawsuits he has against him, or even if he loses them?

I'm pretty certain he'll will have, ffs even I could foresee that!

The guy is not an idiot. The fact that people still follow that narrative really makes me question the intelligence of the "left".

so will he go through with it or just reverse another of his campaign pledges?
or are u saying everyone who believed in and voted for him is an idiot?

kimbers - Member
so will he go through with it or just reverse another of his campaign pledges?
or are u saying everyone who believed in and voted for him is an idiot?

I'm saying we'll see what he does when in power. Or you just wanting to engage in a pantomime here? Ohhhhh, yes he will!

Personally, I think he does have a plan, some of it interesting, some of it bonkers(From my point of view). Whether he can implement it the way he wants is another story.

When he arrests 3 million people, send them to jail, that is going to create lots of jobs in the police, judiciary system, building prisons and prison guards.

Have any of those jumping up and down in apoplexy actually read 'the art of the deal'?

You probably ought to, I reckon that those of us who did are the least surprised at his electoral success...

Personally, I think he does have a plan, some of it interesting, some of it bonkers(From my point of view). Whether he can implement it the way he wants is another story.

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cchris2lou - Member
When he arrests 3 million people, send them to jail, that is going to create lots of jobs in the police, judiciary system, building prisons and prison guards.

May well do. I wouldn't support it as I think that along with more miltary funding signals a more authoritarian approach, both domestically and externally.

But I think his wording is interesting with focusing on "criminal", "illegal aliens" and "building a wall". He's kicked the question of "illegal aliens" into the long grass imo.

The Art of the Deal author (BTW this wasn't Donald Trump):

[i]“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. [/i]

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His Gettyburg speech if anyone is interested. Worth a watch imo. gives more of an insight into the appeal of Trump imo than you'll get from the usual media sources that focus on his "antics".

Its fairly obvious that any book 'written' by Trump would just be a PR exercise telling everyone how great he is.

Considering his history of telling the most outrageous lies*, you'd be a fool to take it seriously

* that also applies to his gettysberg address?

Schwartz was the subject of a July 2016 article in The New Yorker in which Schwartz describes Donald Trump unfavorably and relates how he came to regret writing The Art of the Deal.[1] He also stated that if it were to be written today it would be very different and titled The Sociopath.

One of the points from the book is to deliver the goods, so I expect he'll be big on fulfilling his pre election promises then. Except the wall. And Obamacare. And...

Its fairly obvious that any book 'written' by Trump would just be a PR exercise telling everyone how great he is.

Considering his history of telling the most outrageous lies*, you'd be a fool to take it seriously

Whoosh

That's exactly the point, and exactly why you need to read the book

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So has Farage got really big hands or....

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Have any of those jumping up and down in apoplexy actually read 'the art of the deal'?

Did you read the interview the new Yorker did with the ghost writer of the art of the deal? Quite enlightening!

I think petulant man child was one description of trump.... He has no attention span, can't read anything for longer than 20 seconds before becoming bored, not able to discuss anything without either erupting with anger or storming off, no ideas really, other than those fed to him. I thought the most interesting thing was his apparent lack of business acumen, the author basically says that trump's father negotiated the deals that trump now claims as his own. The business ventures that trump has initiated have all been disasters apparently!

No an ideal temperament for the 'leader of the free world's!

kimbers - Member
just be a PR exercise telling everyone how great he is.

* that also applies to his gettysberg address?

Don't think it's telling everyone how great he is. More just the base line to compare his presidency to. Rather than some tit for tat nonsense on the presidential debates, where I suspect most get their opinions from. (they really should just scrap them, The leaders debates in this country too, they are utter bunkum.).

Giver you a look at what actually attracted people to him, and gives you something to compare what he was elected on and what he does. Only reasons why I suggest people watch it, not because I support him (cause I don't.)

I'll just leave this here (doesn't need it's own thread but it is pretty funny).

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Biden and Obama memes: Jokes on Trump imagined - BBC News

People are speculating about the private conversations between Vice-President Biden and President Obama as they prepare to leave office.

Rather than some tit for tat nonsense on the presidential debates, where I suspect most get their opinions from.

I got a lot of my opinions of Trump by watching YouTube videos of his rallies and by reading his own tweets. That was more than enough to convince me that he wasn't someone I'd ever vote for as my leader!

I'll just leave this here (doesn't need it's own thread but it is pretty funny).

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