aracer - Member
chewkw » the alternative to President Trump is worst.
Yeah, that's why he hasn't been impeached yet. I'll let you think about it...
I admire your optimism regarding chewcarpet's abilities.
Welcome back chewkw, I see you've been back to fake news central for some reprogramming, hope it wasn't too painful.
Demoncrats eh? I wonder how long it took your handlers to come up with that one, probably a couple of years after they actually learnt how to spell Democrat. Obviously appeals to the radical fundamentalists in the Tea Flake Party.
Nothing will come out of it as it's just another unnecessary hurdle in the life of politician.
Drumpf's not a politician.
Kimbers Trump really has not "colluded with Russia"
Papadoplous was an unpaid volunteer who's attempts to pursued the Trump top team to meet his "Russian contacts" where rebuffed
Manafort was clearly a very well paid lobbyist for Ukraine (which you could legitimately ask if they where acting as a Russian "middleman") which when the Trump team found out about these old connections and activities he was fired.
It is not a massive surprise Russians thought Trump would be more open to ending sanctions than Clinton
Facebook where certainly happy to take the Russians money and ask no questions
Trump couldn't be bothered to check out Manafort before hiring him.
On George http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-31/paul-manafort-george-papadopoulos-cause-trump-grief/9104920
Given George has possibly worn a wire according to some sources we shall wait and see what happens next. The fact there was no leak of the arrest of George is very interesting, that was kept very secret - while he was delivering intel to the prosecution. So everyone he spoke to could now have incriminated themselves - what would they do to avoid prosecution.
TBH Kellyanne Conway was more convincing
Papadoplous was a central part of the campaign meeting with Trump and the rest of the campaign team. He told Trump at a meeting that the Russians had dirt on Clinton
Manafort was a key and central part of the campaign and had been a key worker in Rubublican campaigns since the 70s
Gates was a longstanding and key part of the campaign and still is a part of Trumps entourage
Still - about the usual jamba accuracy
"However, Trump himself had announced Papadopoulos’s appointment as a foreign policy adviser in March 2016, describing him as “an excellent guy”.
Fake NewsPapadoplous was an unpaid volunteer who's attempts to pursued the Trump top team to meet his "Russian contacts" where rebuffed
When trump was asked to name his foreign advisers he named him third so this attempt to downplay his role is a lie. See also the claims of how long he worked for them. It does not help clear up doubts about all this if you continue to lie about it - aimed at trump not you as i have grown used to how often you get facts wrong and how sincerely you believe things that evidence does not support and often refutes fed to you by the alt right.
The facts are out there
Its reasonably true to or worthy of debate as to how much a part of the inner circle he really was but the notion he was at the outer fringes, only volunteering and there for only a month or two is patently false,
[quote=jambalaya ]Papadoplous was an unpaid volunteer who's attempts to pursued the Trump top team to meet his "Russian contacts" where rebuffed
😆 cite
TBH with his record I'm not sure how we can question his judgement
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Ah I've missed jamby just making stuff up, seems like home again. I await his desperate scrambling as trump sinks lower and lower with glee.
How many Trump staffers will be spending today desperately trying to remember when they last spoke to Papadapoulos?
I love the double standards of the Americans complaining about election interference despite their own very dirty dealings in other countries democracies.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html
I can't imagine why they are so unpopular around the world.
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Note Papadoplous and trump are both there and Papadopolous has sworn that at the meeting he told the meeting that Russions had dirt on Clinton
Will probably be a 3 shirt day in the white house...could be getting sweaty and the twitter thumbs will be needing a massage.
Look the Russians would rather Jeremy Corbyn was PM but that doesn't mean people should not vote Labour.
tbf jambs is just repeating exactly the PR release from the White House & Fox News
even though Papadopolous has already told the FBI & other evidence has shown otherwise
Note Papadoplous and trump are both there and Papadopolous has sworn that at the meeting he told the meeting that Russions had dirt on Clinton
The Clinton campaign paid for a "dig (fabricate) the Russian dirt" on Trump
Also that can't be a "National Security Meeting" as Trump was not president, it's a campaign meeting from a time when Papa was working unpaid on the campaign
As I said above Papa said he could "setup a meeting with the Russians" and the Trump team declined.
jambalaya - Member
Look the Russians would rather Jeremy Corbyn was PM but that doesn't mean people should not vote Labour.
Its all gravy to Putin
since the Brexit vote went his way hes not bothered whos PM- weak & wobbly May or Comrade Corbs,
A wise investment a few 1000 facebook trolls & twitter bots helped Vote Leave weaken the UK & the EU!
Also that can't be a "National Security Meeting" as Trump was not president, it's a campaign meeting from a time when Papa was working unpaid on the campaign
that was what Trump called his national security council
and unpaid by Trump or by the Russians? 😉
The Clinton campaign paid for a "dig (fabricate) the Russian dirt" on Trump
really...
First lot were Jeb Bush, they paid for the initial look, the dossier came from a UK Source.
Looks like the Trump lot got their intel directly from the KGB/FSB/Putin as they chose to divulge it. The drop of emails via WikiLeaks is heavily suspicious in the narrative especially given the members of the trump team who spoke directly with them.
One cracked, 2 in court facing ruin, given the backbone of most of them and the principles they hold I'm not sure how many will back trump over themselves.
Manafort and Gates are facing serious jailtime - like decades. I am sure they will spill the dirt on Trump in a plea bargain
[quote=jambalaya ]As I said above Papa said he could "setup a meeting with the Russians" and the Trump team declined.
You did, and I asked you to cite* and you haven't.
* which is of course also an abbreviation...
also the email chain that papadopolous is in with Gates, Manafort and presumably Lewandoski & clovis (campaing chair & co-chair) has them saying that Trump himself cant meet Putin it has to be
[t][u]here are legal issues we need to mitigate, meeting with foreign officials as a private citizen.[/u]”May 21. Papadopoulos emails another high-ranking campaign official — Manafort, according to The Post’s August report — informing him that “Russia has been eager to meet Mr. Trump for quite sometime and have been reaching out to me to discuss.”
Manafort forwards the email to Rick Gates (who was also indicted on Monday). “We need someone to communicate that [Trump] is not doing these trips,” he writes. “It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal.
Senior members of the campaign openly discussing using dirt on hillary from the russians & meeting them
of course trump could deny all knowledge, though of course he did brag a few days later that the Russians have Hilarys emails, wonder how he found that out....
[quote=jambalaya ]Look the Russians would rather Jeremy Corbyn was PM but that doesn't mean people should not vote Labour.
true but if the Russians channelled money to help him win and he did are you really trying to say you would care this little? would accept it was "just a volunteer"
the reality is the right are making excuses because they won not because it is ok. Its not right for russia to help any politician win. there is no whatabouteery to be employed here. Its about the sovereign state and faith in the democracy and that is more important than petty politics. My lord i am more patriotic than right wing folk, Astounding.
Dig for dirt does not mean fabricate 😯 Again the issue is not did they both do this the issue is did Hilary engage the russian state in order to do this. Who did they do it with and by what methods. Why can you not understand this simple distinction ?The Clinton campaign paid for a "dig (fabricate) the Russian dirt" on Trump
You know you can actually ready the PAPADOPOULOS Statement of Offense online here?
https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download
Makes it pretty clear that the "oh he was just some lowly campaign volunteer" defence is weak:
PAPADOPOULOS learned he would be an advisor to the Campaign in early March, and met the professor on or about March 14, 2016; [b]the professor only took interest in defendant PAPADOPOULOS because of his status with the Campaign;[/b] and the professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the "thousands of emails" on or about April 26, 2016, when defendant PAPADOPOULOS had been a foreign policy adviser to the Campaign for over a month.
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PAPADOPOULOS repeatedly sought to use the professor's Russian connections in an effort to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials
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Initially, the Professor seemed uninterested in defendant PAPADOPOULOS. However, [b]after defendant PAPADOPOULOS informed the Professor about his joining the Campaign, the Professor appeared to take great interest in defendant PAPADOPOULOS[/b].
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On or about March 31, 2016, [b]defendant PAPADOPOULOS attended a "national
security meeting"[/b] in Washington, D.C., with then-candidate Trump and other foreign policy advisors for the Campaign. When defendant PAPADOPOULOS introduced himself to the group, he stated, in sum and substance, that he had connections that could help arrange a meeting between then-candidate Trump and President Putin.
After his trip to Washington, D.C., defendant PAPADOPOULOS worked with the
Professor and the Female Russian National to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and the Russian government, and [b]took steps to advise the Campaign of his progress.[/b]
Odd that he would continue to advise the campaign of his progress setting up a meeting when they claim to have declined it.
Why can you not understand this simple distinction ?
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https://dc.liveuamap.com/en/2017/30-october-us-district-court-for-dc-has-four-sealed-cases
Interesting. Every case filed at court is given a docket number. Looks like Mueller's team may have four additional cases lodged with the court in between Papadopoulos and Manafort. It's possible that someone else nipped into the queue and filed them, of course.
Any nominations? Flynn, presumably.
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jagain - MemberManafort and Gates are facing serious jailtime - like decades.
they're rich white guys, with connections. Serious jailtime? my cynicism is kicking in...
they will do a plea bargain to get low sentences as Papadoplous has done
10 minutes inside is too long for some of the rich white guys there. I'm guessing they have zero loyalty to the Orange prick once they know he is done. It's a deal not a relationship.
They are all very aware that Trump will happily throw them under a bus to avoid getting caught, I'm sure they will happily return the favour. The problem Trump has is that all these people have met him and worked with him so know exactly what he's like.
They are all very aware that Trump will happily throw them under a bus to avoid getting caught, I'm sure they will happily return the favour. The problem Trump has is that all these people have met him and worked with him so know exactly what he's like.
Trumps so far up his own ego even if he is getting fed slop from the prison canteen it won't be his fault. What he has done is go from an enviroment where he is God to an accountable world called planet earth and he was sheilded from planet earth from his birth.
He is still a colossal Arse and deserves his comeuppance he won't go to prison unless it's for treason as that's the only thing the alt right will allow the great white hope being sent down for as its so against the murica way.
If Putin is behind all this and I think he maybe the man will go down as one the most astute political players of the last 100 years. He really has pulled an ace from up his sleeve while the west snoozed. Not bad for a thug who was less than remarkable at his job before he got into elected politics.
You have to blame the Internet for all this and the ease of getting news out independently you have to wonder how much has been hidden under layers of press gagging orders in years gone by, trump will not be the only iffy politician that's ever served in public
Western politics currently making some African politicians look squeaky clean.
Manafort & Gates under house arrest, not prison I believe?
Also interesting that Popadopolous tweeted pic of himself in London few days ago, that pic was taken just before a referendum we had last year, wonder who he was meeting farage, Assange? 😆
Murkier & Murkier
Of course it's Putin, I forget the name but it stems from a doctrine written in the 70s about sowing social/political discord.
An updated version was written in 2013 [url= https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/gerasimov-doctrine-russia-foreign-policy-215538 ]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/gerasimov-doctrine-russia-foreign-policy-215538[/url]
kimbers - MemberManafort & Gates under house arrest, not prison I believe?
while awaiting trial. If found guilty of the charges they would be looking at long jail sentences
Meanwhile I hope the uk is upping its electronic defence. And where is trump today has someone hid his phone
Surely it can't be coincidence that jamba and chewy are back at the same time?
I love the double standards of the Americans complaining about election interference despite their own very dirty dealings in other countries democracies.
The cia was first set up to influence the post war italian election so that the communists didnt win
Just a quick thought, but...... the preverbal is starting to hit the fan for Trump and his gang, and the noose is starting to tighten? Well, lets hope so.... but here's the thing. Trump and his gang like a good diversion in time of perceived crisis.....so......what the hell his he going to do to divert attention away from the current news cycle?
A terrorist attack.
Just saying...
and not that any of this will matter to Trump
Mr. Saipov came to the United States from Uzbekistan in 2010, and had a green card that allowed permanent legal residence. He had apparently lived in Paterson, N.J., and Tampa, Fla. An official said Mr. Saipov rented a truck from a Home Depot in Passaic, N.J., where a white Toyota minivan believed to be his was found parked.
Not from his banned or enhanced check list of countries
Been there for 7 years peacfully
Perhaps another time where the US needs to look inwards not outwards to understand its problems.
Love that pro-trump rallies/flash mobs were actualy organised by russians!
