I can't begin to think of any similar scenario in American history?
The Cuban Missile Crisis was possibly more potentially dangerous but there were mainly sane personalities in control. MAD worked on that occasion.
Now we have 2 men playing the biggest poker bluff in history.
I'm guessing the only way to rid America of him in the event of him ordering a first strike is effectively a military coup. That itself is the stuff of nightmares.
He's been president for what, 6 months? The world was having a petty tough time before he came along now it seems a relative golden age.
Even if this crisis is resolved (how I have no idea with the current leaders involved) Trump seems intent on bringing America/ the world to perpetual crisis.
I honestly think he would willingly consign thousands, potentially massively more, to death.
To save face.
Meanwhile his time is spent ranting at sports stars making a perfectly valid and peaceful protest.
How did we get here??
I'm guessing the only way to rid America of him in the event of him ordering a first strike is effectively a military coup. That itself is the stuff of nightmares.He's been president for what, 6 months? The world was having a petty tough time before he came along now it seems a relative golden age.
I'd hope it could be handles internally by at least the VP and Republican party (impeachment in all but the actual vote) in reality it would be more of a castration so he was safe to run around and still humped legs but couldn't do so much lasting damage.
The parallel with Cuba http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-cuban-missile-crisis-comes-to-an-end
Problem there was both were willing to come to a solution.
We now have a situation where N Korea and Iran are feeling like they can test the US resolve - or poke the angry idiot as it's becoming known. I can imagine the scene mirroring that of the 2am outside the Kebab shop with Melania yelling "Leave him Donny, e's not wurf it" as Kim Jong Un throws another chip at him (holding on the the chilli sauce laden main weapon)
A victory for democracy,just like Brexit.Hope it collapses as quickly as Brexit,unintended consequences are a bugger,aren't they?
People voted for it. They have spoken. We should just get on with it now, even if the outcome does look like being an absolute cluster****. Because the people, and democracy, and stuff.
I feel like we're in a car being driven off a cliff. We took a wrong turn a few miles back at a T-junction, but in fairness we did have a show of hands to choose the direction then and this was the choice. Now of the people in the car, most can see there's a cliff ahead and want to turn around, but a few pig headed idiots are refusing because we had our chance at the T-junction, and if we turn around now what was the point of that vote. So instead, let's just speed up, find out how bad it is once we do fall off as soon as we can now.
I'm guessing the only way to rid America of him... is effectively a military coup.
I think you'll find this has already, in effect, happened...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41376317
Back on the National Anthem stuff, a lot of the previous stuff about Trump tells you just how much this hurts him, like the Oscars etc. he wants to be part of the cool kids party, wants to be hanging out with them same with the sports stars. He wants the love from that and he ain't gettin it. That is why this is getting blown up so much bu him.
Looks like the footballers are giving trump the proverbial finger
[url= https://twitter.com/hashtag/TakeAKnee?src=hash ]#TakeAKnee[/url]
So... actual flag-waving heiling nazis... don't want to rush to condemn them... some of them are fine people... oh and First Amendment, Free Speech and all that...
...but football players not standing during the anthem are "sons of bitches" that should be fired immediately.
Good to know where his priorities are. 😯
Of course he is playing to his supporters who lap this stuff up.
[quote=GrahamS ]Of course he is playing to his supporters who [s]lap this stuff up.[/s] are flag-waving heiling nazis
Tpical rightie bedwetting snowflakes eh? Can't handle a bit of criticism without losing the plot.
How did we come to this? Brexit, Trump. Democracy has a lot to answer for.
I can't help feeling there is a weird looking fella in the frozen north who's controlling all of this, and I'm not talking about Santa.
I know- ****ing Odin, he should stick to fighting the ice giants
er that's ^ behind a paywall.
[url= http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41382495 ]Lock Him UP!!![/url]
Donald Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner used a private email account to carry out official White House business, his lawyer told US media.
Mr Kushner is a senior adviser to the president, and married to Ivanka Trump.
His lawyer confirmed the existence of the personal email account to Politico and the Washington Post.
During his campaign, Mr Trump repeatedly criticised rival Hillary Clinton for using a personal email account while Secretary of State.
You would think setting out a list of Musn't Do things would be easy.
You can view a number of FT articles per month if you log in, it's the story from last week about Facebook releasing the details of the Ad's paid for by Russion sources for examination.
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https://www.ft.com/content/de59ab54-9f03-11e7-8cd4-932067fbf946Facebook will release to Congress the content of several thousand ads purchased by Russian operatives during the US election campaign after coming under criticism from lawmakers for holding back facts about Moscow’s use of social media.
The news was greeted by US president Donald Trump with a dismissive tweet Friday morning: “The Russia hoax continues, now it’s ads on Facebook. What about the totally biased and dishonest Media coverage in favor of Crooked Hillary?
Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook’s chief executive, said on Thursday the company would share with congressional investigators “the content and related information of the more than 3,000 ads that appear to be linked with a Russian entity” promoting political messages.
To which Trump goes look over there she was worse, imagine what news stories about Trump were actually false...
Even if they can't prove collusion with Trump or his team fully it's very apparent that he was first choice of the Kremlin for the job and they chipped in with whatever they could.
President Trump on Puerto Rico relief efforts: "This is an island. Surrounded by water. Big water. Ocean water."
That's bad enough, in fact I'm cringing watching that video ^^ but the other thing that stands out is his constant use of the phrase "never seen before"
health secretary has quit over private plane usage racking $400,000 since May ! draining the Fed not the swamp! 😀
Wonder what consoling words Trump has up his sleeve for Vegas? It's going to be hard to top this...
"Every death is a horror, but if you look at a real catastrophe like Katrina, and you look at the tremendous — hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that died, and you look at what happened here, with really a storm that was just totally overpowering, nobody's ever seen anything like this. What is your death count as of this moment? 17? 16 people certified, 16 people versus in the thousands. You can be very proud of all of your people and all of our people working together. Sixteen versus literally thousands of people. You can be very proud. Everybody around this table and everybody watching can really be very proud of what's taken place in Puerto Rico."
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The s***gibbon also told someone to “have a nice time” whilst he was walking around meeting people affected
[quote=torsoinalake ]Wonder what consoling words Trump has up his sleeve for Vegas?
Can I have him suggesting they've done really well by comparing with a real catastrophe like 9/11 in the sweepstake please?
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-05/who-actually-writes-donald-trumps-tweets/9017970
So which is worse?
Writing badly spelt tweets to cause outrage and division or paying somebody to do it?
#Fail #SadFace #It'snotfair
I'm beginning to think the civil war predictions aren't so crazy after all. The US is vast and it's population varies wildly (economically, religiously, politically etc.). The President needs to be a uniting force to help keep it all together, at least the majority of it, but Trump is the opposite and is just opening up the existing divisions in the populace.
I don't think in 4 years he'll do enough damage to cause the critical mass of hatred a civil war would need but he's giving it a good try.
The Tory party copying Trump's tactics of rapid fire self-pwns has blinded us lefties to his recent gaffes.
I quite liked him heroically lobbing kitchen towels at Puerto Ricans worried about no power & cholera.
And Rex Tillerson refusing to deny he thinks Trump is a moron 😀
[quote=kimbers ]The Tory party copying Trump's tactics of rapid fire self-pwns has blinded us lefties to his recent gaffes.
I was thinking this thread has gone a bit quiet, but then I suspect we've all just got Trump fatigue - nothing he says or does surprises us any more so it's no longer newsworthy.
tbf I think Kelly firing a lot of Trumps more idiotic staff picks has helped Trump put up a facade of competency, for now....
Long detailed and interesting article covering the rise of Milo Yiannopoulos and the links to white nationalism, Baked Alaska, Breitbart, Bannon, Trump, and the Mercers.
And the efforts they go to obscure or launder those links and publicly distance themselves from nazis & white nationalists while courting them as an audience.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism
Some snippets:
The two planned a press conference outside a mosque attended by the shooter, Omar Mateen. (“Brilliant,” Bannon emailed. “Btw they are ALL ‘factories of hate.’”)
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He needs to understand that ‘Baked Alaska’ is over,” Yiannopoulos wrote in one email to Fleuette. “He is not a friend he is an employee. … He is becoming a laughing stock and that reflects badly on me.” In another, “I think we need to replace Tim. … [He] has no news judgment or understanding of what’s dangerous (thinks tweets about Jews are just fine). … He seems more interested in his career as an obscure Twitter personality than my tour manager.”
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The newcomers brought in by Gionet weren’t much better behaved. Yiannopoulos had to boot one prospective member of his “tour squad” for posting cocaine use on Snapchat. Mike Mahoney, a then–20-year-old from North Carolina, had to be monitored because of his propensity for racism and anti-Semitism on social media. (Mahoney was later banned from Twitter, but he’s relocated to Gab, a free speech uber alles social network where he is free to post messages such as “reminder: muslims are fags.”)“Let me know if there’s anything specific that’s really bad eg any Jew stuff,” Yiannopoulos wrote of Mahoney in an email to another member of his staff. “His entire Twitter persona will have to change dramatically once he gets the job.” On September 11, 2016, Mahoney signed a $2,500-a-month contract with Glittering Steel.
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In addition to tech and entertainment, Yiannopoulos had hidden helpers in the liberal media against which he and Bannon fought so uncompromisingly. A long-running email group devoted to mocking stories about the social justice internet included, predictably, Yiannopoulos’s friend Ann Coulter, but also Mitchell Sunderland, a senior staff writer at Broadly, Vice’s women’s channel. According to its “About” page, Broadly “is devoted to representing the multiplicity of women's experiences. … we provide a sustained focus on the issues that matter most to women.”“Please mock this fat feminist,” Sunderland wrote to Yiannopoulos in May 2016, along with a link to an article by the New York Times columnist Lindy West, who frequently writes about fat acceptance. And while Sunderland was Broadly’s managing editor, he sent a Broadly video about the Satanic Temple and abortion rights to Tim Gionet with instructions to “do whatever with this on Breitbart. It’s insane.” The next day, Breitbart published an article titled “‘Satanic Temple’ Joins Planned Parenthood in Pro-Abortion Crusade.”
Been a while, he's a bawbag.
Loving the Rex Tillerson thing. It was reported he called Trump "a moron" and that he was considering resigning.
Tillerson said the reports were incorrect: he hadn't considered resigning. 😆
Presidents and their administrations have been talking to North Korea for 25 years, agreements made and massive amounts of money paid......
...hasn't worked, agreements violated before the ink was dry, makings fools of U.S. negotiators. Sorry, but only one thing will work!
he's itching for a fight
Yep last week, while Tillerson was saying that direct communication channels with Korea were open and:
[i]"We've made it clear that we hope to resolve this through talks,".. "I think the most immediate action that we need is to calm things down. They're a little overheated right now, and I think we need to calm them down first."[/i]
The Donald tweeted:
[i]"I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man..."
"...Save your energy Rex, we'll do what has to be done!"[/i]
😯
Klunk - yes, he's itching for a fight as he knows he'll be unaffected by it.
Tillerson, apparently, called him a f+@king moron and in his press conference did not address this but when asked said that we're not going to discuss petty things.
After Price resigning for his expensive travel habits we now know that Mnuchin's use of military planes for his travel arrangements has been costed at c.$880k without the necessary WH approvals; sources - Politico, Axios, The Hill. Pruitt at Environment agency also under scrutiny for travel arrangements.
Proposed tax reform will benefit high wealth individuals - zero benefit for the much vaunted 'middle class'.
Piece-meal dismantling of ACA rather than repeal/reform or reform/repeal.
What a repulsive set-up.
Even for Donny his latest tweet on Puerto Rico is impressively narcissistic
Nobody could have done what I’ve done for #PuertoRico with so little appreciation. So much work!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/917172144710103040
I bet he's exhausted after all that hard work, poor lamb.
Shooting 3 pointers with paper towels ain't easy you know.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41419190
Im liking this corker fellow , even if he is a republican!
and while Donald complains people don't appreciate all he is doing
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/09/elon-musks-offer-to-rebuild-puerto-ricos-electricity-grid-is-a-game-changer-commentary.html
Im thinking if Musk wants to be president hed have a lot more credibility than Trump ever could
Be interesting to see Musk and Trumps tax returns side by side
So Donald, how many space rockets do you own?
Musk sounds a bit muslim, I bet he wasn't even born in the good ole USofA.
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Musk sounds a bit muslim, I bet he wasn't even born in the good ole USofA.
Obama managed it... 😉
(Not really, just in case the hard-of-thinking racists get the wrong idea)
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41570266 ]I'm cleverer than you![/url] Needs a sanity test not an iq test.
He needed help on how to spell IQ.
Satire sites don't even need to write new material for Trump. This is from 2016:
http://newsthump.com/2016/05/16/donald-trump-challenged-to-release-his-long-form-iq-test-certificate/
😆
Love the little jibes in Anthony Zurcher's (BBC) analysis:
[i]During the campaign he said he doesn't have to consult generals because he has "a very good brain" and told a rally in South Carolina that he was highly educated and has "the best words".[/i]
😆
Im loving Trumps IQ test throwdown with tillerson
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/917816860460056576
the man is ****ing bonkers!
