Donald! Trump!

If he gets into the whitehouse, it will put american politics back by 10 years!

You might not agree with OH-bamas policies, but at least he has his own brain and you think, can understand how to tread the middle ground. Trump is a rich idiot, and the US is bad enough already when it comes to being insular and self obsessed.

Clinton attracts almost as much hatred from sections of the GOP vote as does Trump from the Democrats. There will be many GOP voters who don't particularly want Trump but most definitely will not abstain and let in Clinton. It's a two horse race, he really could win it all 😯

@bikebouy, I misread the situation, totally really. Trumps popularity/familiarity from his 10+ years on the TV plus his "no nonsense / not politically correct" messages have been very powerful

Download your own coloring (sic) book [url= http://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/campaign-coloring-book/ ]here[/url] 😆

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Loved this:

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Brilliant. Let's just hope enough people are listening in 'Merica.

Struggling to see why jambalaya and LHS wouldn't be fans of Trump.

Never heard of John Oliver before but enjoyed that. Drumpf he will be for me for evermore (especially with the Chrome extension 😀 ).

Holy thread resurrection Batman.

It looks like he may win.

My take on it is this: He is going to make N. America self sufficient and his foreign policy is "We don't care"

He appeals to the working class, even donning a baseball cap which is so cliched I'm amazed he gets away with it. He's republican now (was supportive of the Clintons) and they are not usually sympathetic to the actual needs of the working class but he may appeal to their aspirations.

He has tapped into a deep well of discontent which has been festering in the USA for sometime. He makes it look like there's a simple answer to all of this - remove any outside interference.

Personally, I think Bernie Sanders has the best attitude but he's too old!.

Its sort of interesting how this will play out. Trump gets in, advisers around him says "No, you can't do that because of x,y,z" Sacks anyone who doesn't do things his way. Try's to deliver on his promises and then it all falls apart globally.

Whay am I concerned? Its USA's business but they have an influence.

closetroadie - Member

Personally, I think Bernie Sanders has the best attitude but he's too old!

He's only a couple of years older than Reagan was when he took office.

The sad irony... Repeated polling says Sanders is best placed to win- he outperforms all other presidential candidates. But he won't get a chance to run, because his party is going to select Clinton, who is considerably less likely to win.

Obviously, polling is only polling, but these results are being returned pretty consistently now. Pretty bizarre tbh- polling of democrats has often suggested that they see electability as a key reason to vote Clinton over Sanders, even though the exact opposite seems to be the case.

@closet - this thread seems to be the main one these days [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/us-election ]Linky[/url]

Yes sadly it looks like he will win the nomination and may well win the election come November

@Northwind Bernie would not stand a snowballs chance of winning the Presidency. Zero. If the Republicans could get him to win the nomination they'd make it happen - think Corbyn here. In any case he's so far behind Hillary he cannot catch up.

Best description of Hilary was from a comedian commentator on Fox who said she was 'clunky' She doesn't seem to have anything to say and is relying on her experience of being in high office.
Ronald Reagan didn't act old.
Trump may be the better republican candidate, some of the others are scary god fearing types.

jambalaya - Member

@Northwind Bernie would not stand a snowballs chance of winning the Presidency.

Yes, that's the propaganda. It just doesn't seem to be true, is all. So it goes, with propaganda.

He won't have the opportunity, sadly, but that's a different matter.

I was just wondering how long Jama would take to make a Sanders = Corbyn comparison.

The situation does seem daft. Trump deeply unpopular with everyone, except his supporters. Sanders with most popular with democrats and least unliked bu the republicans, but no chance of getting the nomination. Even if he wins the popular vote the super delegates would swing it in favour of Clinton, who divides opinion all across the board too.

bit of a shake up with Saunders doing better in the polling
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/
not sure if the boost for Kasich is a last ditch effort or a pat on the back for the one who can't win.

His declaration that he won't abide by the promise not to run anyway seems a threat to the convention, Trump vs Cruz/Kasich Vs Clinton/Saunders would be a blood bath for the Republicans.

A lot of Americans I talk to have a quite visceral loathing for Hilary. If it comes down to Trump v. Hilary, I wouldn't bet against him.

EDIT: although those same people also agree that Trump is an idiot. But that's not the same as saying he's unelectable.

His comments on McCain. What a c***.

Even if Trump fails this time, it's clear someone like him gets a lot of support. A slightly less extreme version will almost certainly be president with 10 years.

The situation does seem daft. Trump deeply unpopular with everyone, except his supporters.

The Trump has revealed how he gets his motivation from old Elvis songs. 😯

[url= ]Linky[/url]

If he gets nomination doubt he'll get presidency because of his unfavourable rating currently 63% (highest of all candidates) Hillary is at 54% not matter how much people hate Hillary they hate him more Bernie is 42%.

Would be interesting to see if his nomination splits the party there are plenty of republicans stating they'd vote for democrat candidate or stay home.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/donald-trump-favorable-rating

I was just wondering how long Jama would take to make a Sanders = Corbyn comparison.

The recent furore over Trump's abortion comments are very illuminative - the press desperate to create a controversy. If you listen to what he actually said in responce to the question; (my summary)

[i]Interviewer: If abortion is illegal shouod there be a punishment / consequences ?
Trump: Yes probably
Interviewer: but you always have a firm poistion/view
Trump: I do normally buts its complicated [/i]

We here are in danger of living in oir own bubblemofmoress reporting without appreciating that Trump is a lot more popular than we want to admit

without appreciating that Trump is a lot more popular than we want to admit

The BBC really are bad for this; they still seem to be in denial about his popularity.

The BBC's coverage of US politics hasn't had any balance for years, it is appalling and a major failing.

The BBC's coverage of politics hasn't had any balance for years, it is appalling and a major failing.

Ftfy

Hillary and the Democrats are far to the right of Cameron and the Conservatives

Where the F does that put Trump & GOP??

You want to stop whatever it is your smoking because there is no way the Dems & HC are "far to right of the Cameron & the Conservatives"......

Edit: the sane Americans I know all think that Trump will get his ass handed to him on a plate should he & HC be in the same room together i.e. a debate.

If you're interested in US politics listen to the Rachel Maddow podcasts, fascinating stuff at the moment!

If you listen to what he actually said in responce to the question; (my summary)

Interviewer: If abortion is illegal shouod there be a punishment / consequences ?
Trump: Yes probably
Interviewer: but you always have a firm poistion/view
Trump: I do normally buts its complicated

And if you read [url= http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2016/mar/30/context-transcript-donald-trump-punishing-women-ab/ ]the further context beyond that[/url] still seems bad.

He also says repeatedly that he is "pro-life" or "pro-life with some exceptions".

Which seems a bit different to 1999 when he was asked "Would President Trump ban partial birth abortion?" and he said [i]"I'm Very Pro Choice.. I hate abortion.. but I believe in choice..."[/i]

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Edit: the sane Americans I know all think that Trump will get his ass handed to him on a plate should he & HC be in the same room together i.e. a debate.

Hillary has a really toxic brand, at least fifty percent of which is deserved.

konabunny - Member

Hillary has a really toxic brand, at least fifty percent of which is deserved.

Yup- a really important stat is "would never vote for" and Hilary is just barely behind Trump in that. And Clinton and Trump have similiar disapproval ratings- Trump 59% negative, 38% positive, but Clinton 53/44. These are both completely shit numbers to be taking into a presidential campaign. (as opposed to Sanders 60% positive, 33% negative) Cruz also has a negative rating. I don't think the message of how disliked she is gets across (Bill otoh still gets a positive rating, it's not a "boo Clinton" thing). I suppose the bottom line is, she's the experienced candidate, her entire selling point should be "I'm already doing the job" but every time she says it, a decent chunk of voters say "Aye, and you're shite at it"

Another, among Sanders supporters, 33% say they'll never vote for Clinton compared to 32% who say they'll never vote for Trump! There's a strength and weakness here, Sanders is far more likely to pick up opposition votes than Clinton- but his supporters are also far more likely to go to the other side.

OTOH I saw in Utah, 16% of previous voters said they'll refuse to vote if the choice is Trump or Clinton, which is downright tragic especially given groundswells of nontraditional voters, but a natural side effect of turning the election into an unpopularity contest.

Again, all just polls- but a hell of a lot of polls, coming up with similiar and parallel results. I'm not overly trusting of polls but it's better than just declaring everything to be how you think it is, or swallowing whole perceived wisdoms.

(I must admit, I'm completely astonished about the Bernie thing, I think like a lot of people I'd fallen for the idea that just saying "socialist!" rules people out. I think a lot of us have underestimated normal Americans tbh. But it's the clown car you see the most. I don't think he has a play that can beat his party but the take-away lessons for both parties are simply this- the rules aren't what they thought they are.)

good for headlines but with no chancs of being elected.

It is an obvious comparison, but it's the line above I take issue with. It's a line repeated so often as if it's a fact when I think both would have a very real chance of being elected, if their parties let them get on with it.

What I find amazing is ([url= http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-abortion-women-punishment_us_56fc2a99e4b083f5c606880d ]according to the HuffPo[/url] who admittedly are rabidly anti-Trump) the abortion question just doesn't matter to some. They quote one woman at the meeting as saying:

"I don’t vote based on abortions. I think there's more important things," said Deboard, who described herself as pro-choice. "Look, if ISIS comes over and kills us, I'm not real concerned with abortions. There's more important things to deal with here. We're way beyond abortions here. If you want abortion, you can go get one. I guess I'm pro-choice, but I'm not strong. Like I said, I have more important issues I'm concerned about."

So there's someone who is so caught up in the fear that the terrorists are coming and only Trump can stop them that she is willing to ignore things that actually have much more of an impact on her community.

You want to stop whatever it is your smoking because there is no way the Dems & HC are "far to right of the Cameron & the Conservatives"......

Your point about the Republicans is well made, they are right out there.

So there's someone who is so caught up in the fear that the terrorists are coming and only Trump can stop them that she is willing to ignore things that actually have much more of an impact on her community.

As for BBC bias and not taking Trump seriously nobody was, even in deepest darkest Conservative American back in October he was nothing but a joke. People are still waiting for the punchline.

Clintons biggest weakness, and Trumps greatest strength:

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Trump is clearly telling a positive line about the economy - it may be pie in the sky, but at least he's got a bloody plan!
Thats doubly telling when you tackle 'change vs more of the same' as Clinton is very much 'established order'

and as for healthcare... well, regardless of the absolute need for something, Obamacare remains toxic to all too many - Trumps line of "“I would end Obamacare and replace it with something terrific, for far less money for the country and for the people,” is obviously bollocks, but at least its 'change vs more of the same'.

“I would end Obamacare and replace it with something terrific, for far less money for the country and for the people,” is obviously bollocks, but at least its 'change vs more of the same'.

I suspect the only option there would be a full blown NHS style system. The money saved on bureaucracy alone would be huge

just can't help himself can he 🙂

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Is he for real or a carefully scripted construct?

Saw this the other day (careful of swearing):
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There were a couple of nice comments on Youtube (amongst all the masses of butthurt Trumpets and frothing racists) than nicely summarise the situation:

"Man, why do we depend on comedians today making the best political analysis. Where have serious journalism gone??"

"When a guy like Jim Jefferies,makes more sense then the guy who runs for president of the USA,then you realise how much humanity is screwed."

"We used to laugh at our comedians. Now we laugh at our politicians and listen seriously to comedians."

Look, here's Serena not being his friend while opening his new sports centre:

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And not being his friend at a party:

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I think maybe Serena is prepared to be his friend, just not his 'Black American Woman Friend'.

Edit: OK. Fake.

well maybe they became less friendly when it became apparent to her that he was using her as to signal that he isn't a sexist bigot, like he is.

Yep, ninfan is right. Don't believe everything you read on t'internet even if you want it to be true:

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-serena-williams-wimbledon/

DOne up like a kipper there. I can even hear his voice saying it.

keep up to date with his latest gaffes here

http://www.slate.com/topics/t/trump_apocalypsewatch.html

to be honest If i was American id be looking at the Brexit vote with some worry, and not underestimate my fellow countryman's ability to commit gross acts of political and economic self-harm

As if the Trump campaign couldn't get any further into farce: Melania Trump made a surprisingly good speech addressing the Republican National Convention.

But it sounds strangely familiar...

"From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect. They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily lives. That is a lesson that I continue to pass along to our son. And we need to pass those lessons on to the many generations to follow. Because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them."

To this one from somebody called Michelle Obama made in 2008:

"Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you’re going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don’t know them, and even if you don’t agree with them. And Barack and I set out to build lives guided by these values, and pass them on to the next generation. Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them."

And it goes on like that 😯

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/us/politics/melania-trump-speech.html

Polls have him tied with Clinton. We need to understand he may well win.

To be fair it's pretty hard to find a political speech that isn't just a list of platitudes and truisms, maybe they've got the same banalbolloxgenerator app?

Plagiarism of Michelle Obama's speech will not matter one jot to the Trump supporters, they are all ****ing loons to begin with and any attempt to argue or reason with them is pointless, as an aside...... Did you watch Panorama last night?.

Polls have him tied with Clinton. We need to understand he may well win.

see a clinic full of cynics
Who want to twist the peoples' wrist
They're watching every move we make
We're all included on the list
The lunatics have taken over the asylum

Which polls Jamby?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
These mostly come out Clinton up