[Closed] Donald! Trump!

Saw this the other day (careful of swearing):

There were a couple of nice comments on Youtube (amongst all the masses of butthurt Trumpets and frothing racists) than nicely summarise the situation:

"Man, why do we depend on comedians today making the best political analysis. Where have serious journalism gone??"

"When a guy like Jim Jefferies,makes more sense then the guy who runs for president of the USA,then you realise how much humanity is screwed."

"We used to laugh at our comedians. Now we laugh at our politicians and listen seriously to comedians."

Look, here's Serena not being his friend while opening his new sports centre:

And not being his friend at a party:

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I think maybe Serena is prepared to be his friend, just not his 'Black American Woman Friend'.

Edit: OK. Fake.

well maybe they became less friendly when it became apparent to her that he was using her as to signal that he isn't a sexist bigot, like he is.

Yep, ninfan is right. Don't believe everything you read on t'internet even if you want it to be true:

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-serena-williams-wimbledon/

DOne up like a kipper there. I can even hear his voice saying it.

keep up to date with his latest gaffes here

http://www.slate.com/topics/t/trump_apocalypsewatch.html

to be honest If i was American id be looking at the Brexit vote with some worry, and not underestimate my fellow countryman's ability to commit gross acts of political and economic self-harm

As if the Trump campaign couldn't get any further into farce: Melania Trump made a surprisingly good speech addressing the Republican National Convention.

But it sounds strangely familiar...

"From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect. They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily lives. That is a lesson that I continue to pass along to our son. And we need to pass those lessons on to the many generations to follow. Because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them."

To this one from somebody called Michelle Obama made in 2008:

"Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you’re going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don’t know them, and even if you don’t agree with them. And Barack and I set out to build lives guided by these values, and pass them on to the next generation. Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them."

And it goes on like that 😯

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/us/politics/melania-trump-speech.html

Polls have him tied with Clinton. We need to understand he may well win.

To be fair it's pretty hard to find a political speech that isn't just a list of platitudes and truisms, maybe they've got the same banalbolloxgenerator app?

Plagiarism of Michelle Obama's speech will not matter one jot to the Trump supporters, they are all ****ing loons to begin with and any attempt to argue or reason with them is pointless, as an aside...... Did you watch Panorama last night?.

Polls have him tied with Clinton. We need to understand he may well win.

see a clinic full of cynics
Who want to twist the peoples' wrist
They're watching every move we make
We're all included on the list
The lunatics have taken over the asylum

Which polls Jamby?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
These mostly come out Clinton up

they are all **** loons to begin with

So, Republicans then? 🙂 Have you seen their platform?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us/politics/republican-party-issues.html

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Crossing the margin of error streams now but not the actual lines

Polls have him tied with Clinton. We need to understand he may well win.

Hillary Clinton: 46% (unchanged since June)
Donald Trump: 41% (unchanged since June)

ABC News/Washington Post:

Hillary Clinton: 47% (down from 51% in June)
Donald Trump: 43% (up from 39% in June)

CNN:

Hillary Clinton: 49% (up from 47% in June)
Donald Trump: 42% (unchanged since June)

[url= http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/latest-polls-raise-eyebrows-republican-convention-begins ]clicky thing[/url]

As reported on news coverage of the convention yesterday, "tied in the polls" is what they said

Personally I think he's going to win as Clinton is equally divisive and very unpopular and has far too many skeletons in her cupboard, especially financial dodgy deals. That plus Obama's Presidency has too many major errors and that will impact the Democrats. Its hard for us to see it here but Trump is the anti-establishment candidate.

I was wrong about him not winning the nomination and I'd vote for Hillary but the US want's a change.

"“I would end Obamacare and replace it with something terrific, for far less money for the country and for the people,”

This does seem to sum up the Trump. I'm going to change it and it's going to be "terrific". But I'm not going to give you any details as to what it's going to look like or how I plan to implement and pay for it!

Its hard for us to see it here but Trump is the anti-establishment candidate.

Yep I fear he might get in on the same anti-establishment disgruntlement that has clouded voting decisions here

Despite the fact that, just like here, all he [i]really[/i] offers is a slightly different establishment (one with less Gays, more Guns, less Climate Worry, more Coal, less Mexicans, more Walls, less Muslims, more Fear).

I'm not going to give you any details as to what it's going to look like or how I plan to implement and pay for it!

Even that sounds kind of familiar... 😉

As reported on news coverage of the convention yesterday, "tied in the polls" is what they said

Personally I'm going for a vote on common sense, Trump is popular among his supporters, he is more unpopular than Hillary and he now needs to start backflipping on huge amounts of policy to gain some of the centre ground. She will tear him a new one in the debates if there is a moderator who keeps him on track. If he launches into soundbite shouty mcshoutface she can step back and be Presidential. Something Trump will never achieve even if they elect the prick.

Even that sounds kind of familiar...

🙂 I guess the UK fell for that one too!

Just been to the states actually. A lot of people asked me about this brexit mess and how it's messed up the uk economy and asked how it happened. I explained that the leave campaigned appealed to the xenophobic masses in the same way that Trump does. I think seeing the UK going down the pan has put off a few potential trump voters. Every cloud and all that.

I'm finding the Republican Convention videos intriguing. I'm not quite sure whether to laugh or run into the wilderness and live off grid for the rest of my days.
Quote of the day has to come from a US friend's fb feed...

Not sure why everyone is so worried about the candidate's wife plagiarizing Michelle Obama when the candidate himself is going to plagiarize Mein Kampf.

@mike indeed 🙂 the issue what we see as "common sense" is quite different to the US, no real universal health care, no unemployment payments beyond 2 years, no broader welfare support - not even the Democrats want to change that.

I really think people here (myself included) too often look at the US and try and interpret it through European eyes.

@fourbanger if you had explained how the eu works with a foreign court and parliament setting laws and freedom of movement between member countries I think you wouod have got a different outcome. Both Clinton and Trump want to heavily modify the one significant trace agreement the US has in NAFTA.

@ocrider I think Trump will be much more protectionist and much more isolationist, so not quite Mein Kampf !

jambalaya - Member

As reported on news coverage of the convention yesterday, "tied in the polls" is what they said

Personally I think he's going to win as Clinton is equally divisive and very unpopular

I've yet to meet an American who likes her and can stand up and say why. And it's not for want of meeting Americans (well, Californians).

@fourbanger if you had explained how the eu works with a foreign court and parliament setting laws and freedom of movement between member countries I think you wouod have got a different outcome.

On your point about "different eyes" I suspect that many Americans, looking at the EU through their eyes, would probably interpret that set up as being not much different from their Federal and State system, which is where the "United States of Europe" analogy applies.

(And of course it's not a "foreign court and parliament", but you knew that anyway)

Exactly that GrahamS. That's how most people saw it and couldn't understand what kind of narrow minded simpleton could possible object to it.
Especially with the GDP of the USA and the EU being basically the same. "Why would you opt out?" they said.
A lot of people saw an analogy with the Southern States, all that "the south will rise again" confederate flag, white supremacy bullshit. It helped I was in a more liberal and enlightened north east.. But it was pretty embarrassing none the less.

What is it with these politicians & their tough on immigration stance who like to marry immigrants?!

@ocrider I think Trump will be much more protectionist and much more isolationist, so not quite Mein Kampf !

This does seem to sum up the Trump. I'm going to change it and it's going to be "terrific". But I'm not going to give you any details as to what it's going to look like or how I plan to implement and pay for it

This is exactly the reason I'm very scared of POTUS Trump

Just throw in some casual xenophobia (Trumps done this + lots)and you've got Brexit

If a load of populist lies and scapegoating can work on the left behind of Britain , it can work in the USA too

What is it with these politicians & their tough on immigration stance who like to marry immigrants?!

Because they probably like to dress their wives up like plantation slaves...

He asked for a wall,he got his wall >>> [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36854572 ]Trump's wall[/url]

Well it made me laugh 🙂

Blimey...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/21/donald-trump-republican-national-convention-speech

Politics of fear, guess it's a tried and true Republican path, but this seems to have sunk to new depths 🙁

@mrblobbt Donald Trump gave himself away as a full-fat fascist.

He asked for a wall,he got his wall >>> Drumpf's wall

Well it made me laugh

Why has Trump got a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame? Is it for his role in Home Alone 2?

For the Apprentice (and for submitting the application and paying the fee, which I read is $30000)

Just noticed that Donald Trump has armed militia men protecting him during rallies. Please tell me they wear armbands, also they should salute their leader more - perhaps by using a Roman salute, everyone knows the Romans were cool. Also they would look even snazzier if their uniforms were brown.

The politics of the demagogue seem to be en vogue. Trump hasn't been alone in selling fear to drum up support.

Maybe it's because right wing politics has run out of things to offer?

I thought this was an interesting take - "The case for making Donald Trump America's first king":

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/20/12235572/donald-trump-king-america

Evidently, Trump is interested in the prestige and public attention that comes with the presidency. But he doesn’t want to spend a lot of time worrying about niggling policy issues like Brexit or corporate tax reform.

While the idea of a president with no power sounds crazy to American ears, it’s actually how a lot of advanced democracies work around the world. Many countries have a ceremonial figurehead — either an elected president or a hereditary monarch — who represents the nation at state dinners and ribbon-cutting ceremonies. And they also have a head of government, usually the prime minister, who makes all the important policy decisions.

In the United States, we’ve combined these roles into a single person, and it hasn’t been working very well. It’s made the presidency an impossibly demanding job, while giving our head of government a degree of prestige that makes it harder to hold him accountable for his policy mistakes.

simon_g - Member
I thought this was an interesting take - "The case for making Donald Trump America's first king":

It's already had an [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton ]emperor[/url] though.

Vomit-inducing little fascist.

We are so screwed.

*sigh*
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/21/donald-told-21-fact-checked-proven-lies-acceptance-speech.html

Outrageous lies used to hoodwink a reactionary public into making a shitty electorial decision? Hmmm, there's something about that that sounds familiar...

I don't think the American public is particularly reactionary, if they were then John McCain would have won in 2008 and Mitt Romney would have won in 2012.

What the US electorate is is highly politically polarised, far more so than any other time in recent history and far more so than other comparable countries.

The Tea Party Republicans are particularly vocal (and they have plenty of money to be heard) which creates a false impression, imo, that they reflect overwhelming public opinion. But it shouldn't be forgotten that at the opposite end are American liberals and that Bernie Sanders has proved to be hugely popular with the American public. Although admittedly not quite enough to win the Democrat nomination. He did however have a significant effect on the political narrative, something which even Trump can't ignore.

The US is very reactionary, actually the planet seems reactionary at the mo. Someone's political persuasion doesn't really matter that much, I see friends that consider themselves leftwing/progressive/liberal also being reactionary; posting fake (and unchecked) quotes as memes and links to dubious blogs that support what they think is their viewpoint, usually without reading them first. I see this happen with pro-Corbyn, anti-Tory, anti-Trump posts as much as I see anti-Trump, anti-foreign, anti-Europe etc.

Also; the Silent Majority which was the backbone of small-c conservative politics for decades seems to have evaporated; everyone has an opinion and they seem to be sharing it on social media. The 'Angry Brigade' is no long the preserve of the militant left. We seem to be living in an increasingly binary world.

The US is very reactionary, actually the planet seems reactionary at the mo. Someone's political persuasion doesn't really matter that much, I see friends that consider themselves leftwing/progressive/liberal also being reactionary; posting fake (and unchecked) quotes as memes and links to dubious blogs that support what they think is their viewpoint, usually without reading them first. I see this happen with pro-Corbyn, anti-Tory, anti-Trump posts as much as I see anti-Trump, anti-foreign, anti-Europe etc.

Also; the Silent Majority which was the backbone of small-c conservative politics for decades seems to have evaporated; everyone has an opinion and they seem to be sharing it on social media. The 'Angry Brigade' is no long the preserve of the militant left. We seem to be living in an increasingly binary world.

Yep, I agree. Feels like everyone's made a dash for the extremes!