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Look at poor little Philip's face at the end there. That's the look of a man in deep misery; about to spend the next 24hrs trying to make polite conversation with one of the stupidest women on the planet whilst his wife gets groped by the orange one.
trying to make polite conversation with one of the stupidest women on the planet
I dont think there is much evidence either way regarding her intelligence. Choice in rich bloke was obviously poor but not really a sign one way or other of overall intelligence.
Well it got her and her family green cards and probably set them up financially for life
Choice in rich bloke was obviously poor but not really a sign one way or other of overall intelligence.
What first attracted you to the billionaire Donald Trump?
Also why does this keep going through my head
Well it got her and her family green cards and probably set them up financially for life
Luckily she was a good immigrant, like Donald's mum. Not a bad immigrant like a Muslim or person of colorc.
Being honest I can't see any reason to attack her other than her choice in men. I could do the same in my local most nights with both sexes equally open to criticism. And that doesn't matter because that is their choice. She seems to be part of a thing that is beyond her control so why attack her?
She seems to be part of a thing that is beyond her control so why attack her?
Because she stays part of it?
I dont think there is much evidence either way regarding her intelligence.
To be fair you are right. Her main crime is to have married a horror show of a human being. She might be in it for the cash or she might believe the same bollox he does. Neither is hugely edifying though to be honest in terms of making her a likeable person.
But she is no Michelle Obama in terms of role model, statesman in her own right and using her office for good. Hell, she is not even a Nancy Regan.
I appreciate it’s not the point Rasnos was making but don’t they demonstrate how useful it is to meet bad people?
In other words, arse licking mass murderers, racists and despots is ok if you're a tory.
I dont think there is much evidence either way regarding her intelligence.
Deleted as nonsense having re-read it.
Where do his supporters stand on the allegations of sexual assault?
Anywhere you like, as as long as it’s well out of the reach of Justin ‘octopus’ Trudeau?
Anywhere you like, as as long as it’s well out of the reach of Justin ‘octopus’ Trudeau?
why is that relevant to the question ?
Or is just easier to ignore the difficult questions because answering them would make you look like a bit of a **** ?
Nah, this is how you look like a bit of a ****:
https://twitter.com/criscalpes/status/1017439408398708736?s=21
So i did a quick google as Ninfan now has a new figure to hate...
Valerie Bourne, former publisher of the Advance, told CBC News that she spoke with the reporter in 2000: "My recollections of the conversation were that she came to me because she was unsettled by it. She didn't like what had happened. She wasn't sure how she should proceed with it because of course we're talking somebody who was known to the Canadian community."
Bourne said, "I would not classify it or qualify it as sexual assault." But she said that Trudeau's alleged actions were "definitely not welcome and definitely inappropriate."
Earlier this year, Trudeau was asked by CBC Radio whether any of his actions could have been misconstrued.
"I don't think so," the Prime Minister said. "I have been very, very careful all my life to be thoughtful, to be respectful of people's space and people's head space as well."
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/02/americas/justin-trudeau-groping-allegations/index.html
So given your drive earlier for me to answer your pointless little question
Where do his supporters stand on the allegations of sexual assault?
Do you think it's ok to grab a woman in the crotch?
Would you brag about it to your mates?
The victim herself reported it as being groped
https://twitter.com/OutlawTory/status/1015633258413985792?s=20
@ninfan, you seem to be more preoccupied with posting against what you understabd to be hypocrisy, but you seem to be uncertain about an alternative point of view without posting very selective sources.
I challenge that you're here for the lols, you’ve not responded to specific questions, the way you dodge direct questioning foxes most forumites, it’s both bold and agressive. But you don’t volunteer an actual opinion.
Do you have that in focus and in context there?
While you have a look answer the ****ing question unless it's another uncomfortable one for you, like so many other things.
The victim herself reported it as being groped
And that’s not something that’s ok to do ?
Right ?
without posting very selective sources.
Nah, Zulu never uses selective sources to push a bullshit alternative.
No, answer the question, if Donald did something good, would you’d give him credit for it?
Dodging it for a second time there Mike, lets go for third time lucky.
Come on, be a man.
While you have a look answer the **** question unless it’s another uncomfortable one for you, like so many other things.
Why dont you? If you have a problem with Donald Trump serving as premier despite (unproven) allegations of sexual assault which he denies, then why on earth aren’t you calling for Trudeau to be sacked after admitting it?
Ny opinion is that allegations are just that, allegations, our society accepts that people are innocent unless proven guilty - Justin admits he did something wrong, he should resign.
Sorry what did he admit to? are you joining dots in the sky here?
Can we please try to keep it civilised?
Justin admits he did something wrong, he should resign.
Start a thread about him then ?
What does this have to do with Donald Trump and his wandering (tiny) hands ?
Can we please try to keep it civilised?
Sorry, I do not feel that I acted inappropriately in any way. But I respect the fact that someone else might have experienced that differently.
Can we please try to keep it civilised?
Why should they start now?
@ninfan, I was referring to forumites in general, not a specific jibe at you.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44815558
<p class="story-body__introduction">Donald Trump has said the UK will "probably not" get a trade deal with the US, if the prime minister's Brexit plan goes ahead.</p>
He told The Sun the PM's plan would "probably kill the deal" as it would mean the US "would be dealing with the European Union" instead of with the UK.Theresa May has been making the case for a US free trade deal with Mr Trump, on his first UK visit as president.
She said Brexit was an "opportunity" to create growth in the UK and US.
Mr Trump and the first lady were given a red carpet reception at Blenheim Palace, Oxfordshire on Thursday evening.
Proper LOL you invite the guy round for dinner and then he shits on the lawn!!
@PJM1974 He is using a Trudeau quote to line something up in there.....
Trump humiliates May by giving an interview to the sun slagging off her chequers deal & saying Boris would make a great PM.
Then holds May's hand as they walk into Blenheim palace for dinner.
There's nothing too low for May !
then why on earth aren’t you calling for Trudeau to be sacked after admitting it?
Campaign for it and I am sure you will find some takers. Trudeau does come across as a tad of an arsehole although in fairness he may have learnt from it and compensated in which case it becomes a tad more complicated.
Trump humiliates May by giving an interview to the sun slagging off her chequers deal & saying Boris would make a great PM.
Well sod off back home.
Hmm that special relationship.
Well that went well.
Such is the sad state of affairs of global capitalism that we have to be friends with dictators, mass murders and even worse Trump. Unfortunately we are way too involved and dependant to be able to actually do anything else.
Sociopathic narcissist with stupid hair promotes a sociopathic narcissist with stupid hair?
Indeed kerley. I watched the news last night and winced at the phrase ‘Mr and Mrs Trump were invited to dinner with Theresa May and British business leaders’. I can just imagine the metaphorical pie being nicely carved up!
Out of interest, is anyone going to London today to demonstrate?
Just more bs to get the trade deficit down and to sow more chaos.
He won't want us to have the same standards as Europe as they are too high for a lot of us food.
As for the Boris comment, is anyone surprised?
"Out of interest, is anyone going to London today to demonstrate?"
I am sorely tempted , but I also want to ride my bike....
The POTUSA doing an interview with the ****G S*N!!!???
"shitting on the lawn" indeed.
What an expletive.
dictators, mass murders and even worse Trump.
Yeah, I mean he's like literally worse than Hitler, amirite?
Yeah, I mean he’s like literally worse than Hitler, amirite?
Hitler at least had control of his own hair and perhaps a plan.
Meanwhile he does have is performance review coming up
Where hot topics will include destabilisation of the EU, destabilisation of NATO and destabilisation of the UN.
I would happily demonstrate, but I'm working, but I truly hate this man and everything he stands for. Maybe the good folks of the north could lie down tomorrow and spell out some expletive that he can see as he flies to Scotland.
Out of interest, is anyone going to London today to demonstrate?
I was planning to. Then ended up going up for the RAF 100 as my brother in law was playing a key part and can't afford 2 days away. Am feeling really guilty that I'm not however.
Yeah, I mean he’s like literally worse than Hitler, amirite?
Give him time.
Has anyone attended the marches ?
Someone from work was heading down town last night and I got a text message saying some streets were blocked off..
The trade deal was never going to happen. The recently revealed 'plan' is just an excuse not to go ahead. We were stiffed in the last war by the Americans and the orange buffoon is lining us up for another go.
Yeah, I mean he’s like literally worse than Hitler, amirite?
Wasn't aware we were meeting with Hitler and trying to keep him sweet. I think Hitler may in fact be dead.
I'm attending today, unfortunately I didn't have time to get my haircut before I left, but I am planning on jumping in the shower shortly.
That offer of a coffee is still open ninfan, but I guess your mind isn't open enough to have an adult conversation without a keyboard in the way.
you seem to be more preoccupied with posting against what you understabd to be hypocrisy, but you seem to be uncertain about an alternative point of view
Nothing wrong with that. I think a significant percentage of political discourse is based on misunderstanding/getting facts wrong. I think it's perfectly reasonable to point out where other people have got it wrong, without expressing your own views.
I know Jamby was a Clinton 'supporter' and he *still* got slated for being a Trump supporter. I've never seen Ninfan say anything especially good about Trump, but he gets slated as being a Trump supporter.
There seems to be a pattern all over the interweb of Person A posts something untrue, Person B points out it's not true. Person A says "Ahhh, you must be a supporter of X." Not so.
While we're at it, I'm pretty sure a load of people who despise Trump, didn't like Clinton either. I suspect a lot of people who liked Obama didn't like his policies to try to make the Mexican border less fluid. For a lot of people politics is not black and white or party* orientated at all.
So there are plenty of ideologues who see the political world in very tribal left/right** terms, but there's are plenty of people who are pretty objective and usually understand the logic behind of whatever the current administration are doing. (Which is almost always a choice between to bad options.)
So yeah, issues can easily be debated in isolation and Ninfan should be able tell us the the USA was putting kids in cages in 2014, without being pressed to come up with a rounded support of Trump. In fact it's far better if we simply stick to the issues rather than debating everything in terms of support or opposition of a party/politician.
* Lots of people support their party and/or ideology like a football team.
** left/right really mean almost nothing IMHO.
Theres a demo in Manchester later. Just walked past the town hall and there's similar security in place to when the Party conferences are on.
Why?
I have no idea.
Its not like Trump is going to notice. I can't imagine anything more pointless. You might as well chuck your shoes at the sky to protest about this rain.We're off for a few post-work work pints instead. Might go to Chorlton. It'll be empty. Is it possible to form a critical mass of virtue?
. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to point out where other people have got it wrong, without expressing your own views.
Really? If you go on to pick very obscure examples demand people express opinions but refuse to commit to any of it then you are trolling. It's what he does but we have hit the point where leaving his bs posts hanging there isn't going to happen.
I seem to remember ninfan laying it thick about the emails, Clinton's health (completely unsubstantiated) running with alt right myths and lies and plenty more.
If you enter any argument with but Obama did, or the new what Justin did then expect to be questioned and challenged.
Really?
Yes, really.
Its not like Trump is going to notice.
Bloke on R4 Today Program this morning who interviewed him in the run up to this visit said he 100pc had noticed. (Within a few minutes of 7am if anyone wants a listen.)
Whether that's good or bad depends on what you're trying to achieve.
Its not like Trump is going to notice. I can’t imagine anything more pointless. You might as well chuck your shoes at the sky to protest about this rain.We’re off for a few post-work work pints instead. Might go to Chorlton. It’ll be empty. Is it possible to form a critical mass of virtue?
He personally won't notice, pretty sure he lives in his own little bubble, completely unaware of the world around him.
He personally won’t notice,
Not so, have a listen around 7am.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b90pym
In that case I'm off to start a petition
For a lot of people politics is not black and white or party* orientated at all.
If only our politicians were of the same opinion.
Theres a demo in Manchester later
When and where binners?
Couple of Ospreys just flown over the office in Vauxhall presumably buffoon related. ,quite cool bits of kit.
Why?
I have no idea.
Its not like Trump is going to notice. I can’t imagine anything more pointless.
First up it will be covered by the US media, how the US is seen abroad does impact a lot of people over there.
Next sure as hell May will know about it, protests in the street about the guy who just screwed her over
After that what the hell, shame it's raining a bit here but I'm sure people will have some fun.
For comparison every fortnight tens of thousands of people turned up to moan about Jose at old trafford, doesn't look like he noticed either 😉
Slowoldman - Manchester demonstration against Trump’s visit to UK is on July 13 at Albert Square and starts at 5 pm.
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/donald-trumps-uk-visit-protest/
For a lot of people politics is not black and white or party* orientated at all.
If only our politicians were of the same opinion.
I think Politicans are the least B+W of all. It's the art of the possible, they are 100pc fluid, even the ones we might expect to be serious ideologues.
I saw Michael Portillo give a talk once and he made the point that it's much easier to have friends in the other parties than in your own party because they're not going to run to the whips and disclose it all or use it as ammunition to steal your job. (Well they will, but only once every five years!)
Its not like Trump is going to notice. I can’t imagine anything more pointless. You might as well chuck your shoes at the sky to protest about this <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">rain</span>
Will he notice the demos? yep.
Will he care in the slightest? nope
Happy days if the US trade deal is off the table anyways. TTIP is a worse case scenario for the UK.
he gets slated as being a Trump supporter.
That's how he described himself, for what it's worth.
Will he care in the slightest? nope
Have a listen to the R4 like above. He cares a lot. He's an Anglophile, he's had a lot of contact with the UK over the years.
According to that interviewer Trump knows & cares. Whether that's good or bad depends on that you're trying to achieve.
What i don't understand is the oh so accepting liberals , who don't care of race, religion, gender etc. think it's ok to make fun of an old man's receding hair.
According to that interviewer Trump knows & cares. Whether that’s good or bad depends on that you’re trying to achieve.
Doesn't make any difference what you are trying to achieve, it will not bring a good result. Trump cannot take criticism and reacts badly to it . Does anyone think he will see the protests and think "hang on, they have a point - reverse everything I have done" or will he just carry on doing more and more ridiculous things.
Behaves in a typical psychopathic tendency man in power way and always will
Behaves in a typical psychopathic tendency man in power way and always will
Just like every single person in any power position in any area of industry or government the whole world over?
What i don’t understand is the oh so accepting liberals , who don’t care of race, religion, gender etc. think it’s ok to make fun of an old man’s receding hair.
You had better not watch spitting image....
You may not have noticed people taking issue with his politics, policies, state of mind, inability to articulate anything coherent, lies etc
Sometimes you got to play the game that he plays to him, he is precious about his hands and hair so that makes them fair game for me. He is the number one snowflake who can't handle any criticism.
How would you characterise his NATO speech there?
Always happy to talk about the issues here
Just like every single person in any power position in any area of industry or government the whole world over?
Any evidence for that?.
“hang on, they have a point – reverse everything I have done” or will he just carry on doing more and more ridiculous things.
How about sending a clearer message to the people behind him in the Senate and Congress, to those trying to get elected either opposing him or hanging off his coat tails?
The man's a buffon, I agree with that. I don't like him and i don't like our own politics or any politicians . What I don't understand is everybody jumping on this bandwagon to protest and fly a balloon. Think of this for a moment, the money used for that ballon, could it have been given to a charity?
The time spent by people standing around to protest , for basically nothing. it's not going to achieve or change anything. Could that time have been spent somewhere more useful, like a charity volunteer , or doing something local with the few hours wasted standing on a pavement. Just my two cents.
What i don’t understand is the oh so accepting liberals , who don’t care of race, religion, gender etc. think it’s ok to make fun of an old man’s receding hair.
Maybe a greater good argument depending on what they're trying to achieve. If you thought NATO was a “danger to the world” you might well think that it was worth getting personal to upset Trump in the hope he might pull the USA out all together, Trump's the only President who ever looked remotely likely to actually do that. (I don't think that'll work.) Or maybe you might want a change of Government in the UK, and reducing UK exports to the US might help achieve that.
We shouldn't really have to guess, I've not seen anything in the media to explain exactly what outcome the protesters are trying to achieve and without that it's hard to decide if the tactic is sound.
Just like every single person in any power position in any area of industry or government the whole world over?
Any evidence for that?.
Come on Mike, it's a non argument. If I must I'll google egotism or many websites of human psychology.
Doesn’t make any difference what you are trying to achieve, it will not bring a good result.
Agree, but they probably aren't trying to get a result that you or I would regard as "good".
Does anyone think he will see the protests and think “hang on, they have a point – reverse everything I have done”
I doubt they're naive enough to think that.
Chequers is in total lockdown - never seen so many police there before, can't see any demonstrators getting remotely near the odious man 😞
I've just listened to that Radio 4 clip and I can't hear a single word to indicate that Trump gives a flying **** what anyone in the UK thinks, or any indication that he wouldn't look to a UK outside the EU in the same way a wolf would eye up a particularly fluffy ickle baaa lamb.
Lets face it, any UK/US trade deal post-Brexit would involve us bending over while they went in dry. Anyone who can't see that is absolutely delusional. But then if there were one word that perfectly sums up the Trump cheerleaders (including such national treasures as Piers Morgan/Nigel Farage/Boris Johnson/Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins) its 'delusional'.
The time spent by people standing around to protest , for basically nothing. it’s not going to achieve or change anything.
I don't buy that. I think it could change something. Ok, nothing massive at once, but I can imagine a few less exports, a fraction less USA goodwill towards Nato.
By all accounts Trump's over-sensitive to say the least, if it was so hard to disrupt our relationship with the USA why have UK governments for the last 100 years spent so my effort trying to keep the USA onside?
Yeah, Trump's not going to go home and say "The Europeans were mean to me, I'm pulling out of Nato" but there's lots of smaller decisions that could go against the UK now. The government is on the verge of collapse and will be for at least a couple of years to come. If a bit of name calling against Trump shrinks a couple of key industries it could tip the balance.
Come on Mike, it’s a non argument. If I must I’ll google egotism or many websites of human psychology.
Very few successful leaders go for a burn it all down approach, not all leaders are like that because it doesn't really work that well. One of the core principles of Trump is everything is a Zero Sum Game, in the modern world it really isn't. Plenty of solid leaders have worked that out - well the ones I get to interact with have and they seem to be doing fairly well.
Chequers is in total lockdown – never seen so many police there before, can’t see any demonstrators getting remotely near the odious man
Perhaps after the Sun stunt it's actually an operation to keep him out.
The point of the protest is to ensure there is absolutely no possibility of doubt that any Trump spin about being popular in the UK looks fatuous and if even possible make him look even more stupid that he already does. To collectively disassociate ourselves from being broadly in agreement with the current American ideology as represented by the Trump figurehead to the rest of the globe.
No one would plan to or even want to change the mindset of this orange oaf. He is a lost cause. That is in no way the point.
I had every intention of going until it turned out he's being kept well away from anyone with Wotsit Hitler placards, so I'm just going to bimble about at home, will try and pop into the Birmingham protest for a bit this afternoon. It's not about protesting to achieve a specific aim, for me - I think the guy's a comic book villain, and I'd like to be part of the national voice that's saying that much of what he's doing is wrong, and some of it is borderline evil.
I’ve just listened to that Radio 4 clip and I can’t hear a single word to indicate that Trump gives a flying **** what anyone in the UK thinks,
Just to be clear we're listening to the same guy:
-Did you hear the guy say Trump knew of the protests?
-Did you hear the guy say Trump was an Anglophile?
-Did you hear the guy say the protests would affect Trump because was over-sensitive to criticism and loves flattery?
I'm paraphrasing a bit but if you heard it you'll recognise those three bits which were all part of the same answer IIRC & we'll know we're listening to the same segment. Sounds like we're probably not. What was the guy's name, I missed it.
We need a transcript.