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Trumps latest dead cat shows hes getting more desperate

It hasnt helped and just seems to be focusing attention on why He was being investigated in the first place?!?

I wonder if Putin is hovering over the upload button on the pee-pee videos

Theres more leaked reports 😉 of Trumps frustration & anger at leaks and failure to handle the Sessions thing as it dominated his well received congress address (the one time he managed to stay on message and not cause a diplomatic shitstorm)
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/04/politics/donald-trump-jeff-sessions-reince-priebus/index.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04vylq4?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=thetodayprogramme&ns_source=facebook

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39184048 ]mischievous Mr King 🙂 [/url]

So Trump signed on the 27th of January an executive order banning people from certain countries because he needed 90 days to "figure out what is going on". He has now signed another executive order banning people from certain countries for 90 days, what the hell has he been doing for the last 40 days? Why does he need another 90 days? Will he ever figure out what's going on?

I think it may even be 120 days this time

So Trump signed on the 27th of January an executive order banning people from certain countries because he needed 90 days to "figure out what is going on". He has now signed another executive order banning people from certain countries for 90 days, what the hell has he been doing for the last 40 days? Why does he need another 90 days? Will he ever figure out what's going on?

Look at it another way, as a result of his ban, Iraq has now agreed ([url= http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/06/politics/iraq-travel-ban/ ]Source: CNN[/url]) to vetting and information sharing requirements, meaning that it has been removed from the list - which only reinforces the fact that Trumps original ban was both proportionate and non-discriminatory

He just likes signing things, being "the man". Likes the sound of his own name.
He's the new Craig David.

which only reinforces the fact that Trumps original ban was both proportionate and non-discriminatory

which only reinforces the fact that Trumps original ban was both proportionate and non-discriminatory

it took him 40 days to realize that Iraq is full of oil , and US companies have invested millions to exploit it and without the Iraqi gov on board , they would loose a lot of $ .

Look at it another way, as a result of his ban, Iraq has now agreed to vetting and information sharing requirements, meaning that it has been removed from the list

That's just a fig leaf to cover up the fact that the US needs Iraq's help to combat ISIS.

- which only reinforces the fact that Trumps original ban was both proportionate and non-discriminatory

It's a fig leaf. It tries to cover up Trump's incompetence but that's about it.

And also from some of the quotes from the press launch (cause that's what policy announcements are these days) its all coming straight from the create problem (that doesn't exist) propose solutions...
"unregulated and unvetted travel" if only they had some sort of border and immigration services to deal with it.
One of the key parts to the original was it needed doing right now to stop the bad people coming in, the halt to the ban meant all the bad people would get in, now the bad people have a week to get in... How exactly is that not a complete logic fail?

Yet, as if by magic, Iraq [b]have[/b] now agreed to vetting and data sharing as requested.

Yet, as if by magic, Iraq have now agreed to share data as requested.

mikewsmith - Member
How many people from countries on the list have been involved in terrorism in the US?

Did he completely underestimate how long it takes to work stuff out that he needs to reset the clock?

Is his new ban within the constitution?

You would have thought he could have figured all this out if he wasn't off playing golf every weekend.

Interesting to see the exec order has apparently been ready for a week now but held back in order to try and ride the positive wave from the speech guess they know that has left the building looking for elvis at this point.

What is jail time for perjury these days...

mikewsmith - Member
How exactly is that not a complete logic fail?

colournoise - Member

mikewsmith - Member
How exactly is that not a complete logic fail?

You expect logic from the current US administration?

If he wants to keep America safe he should kick all Americans out of the country and then introduce a travel ban on all Americans travelling to America. That'll learn em.

[quote=ninfan ]Trumps original ban was both proportionate and non-discriminatory

Indeed - and as he said at the time:

"If the ban were announced with a one week notice, the "bad" would rush into our country during that week. A lot of bad "dudes" out there!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/826060143825666051

chewkw - Member
Or perhaps the real question is what is logic according to you. i.e. you see logic when it fits you?

Indeed - and as he said at the time:

"If the ban were announced with a one week notice, the "bad" would rush into our country during that week. A lot of bad "dudes" out there!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/826060143825666051

So what - he's still put the ban in place, ban is better than no ban, Trump wins, again.

what you don't recognise is the inherent use of psychological anchors - The outcome is more important than the offer.

ninfan -

So what - he's still put the ban in place, ban is better than no ban, Trump wins

Well, unless that ban is seen as a deliberate and unjust act against Muslims, which results in the radicalisation of some Muslims already living the usa, who then organise a terror attack un-checked by this new 'ban'.....

Well, unless that ban is seen as a deliberate and unjust act against Muslims, which results in the radicalisation of some Muslims already living the usa, who then organise a terror attack un-checked by this new 'ban'.....

Which only goes to prove how much of a threat 'muslims' are and that Trump was not only right to impose a ban, but that he probably didn't go far enough, as a result of the democratic opposition fighting against it.

Not only that - but if the reaction of 'Muslims' to a ban that affects less than 15% of muslims is to go and start murdering people, then really it only underlines the fundamental incompatibility of muslim society with western liberal democracy.

Brilliant, isn't it?

Perhaps he should come up with some sort of plan, or solution, that er, finally gets rid of Muslims for once and for all. Wonder what he could call such a plan?????

The ban is only for 90 days, it's a well-known fact that terrorists have a very short attention span and get very bored very quickly. 90 days should definitely do it.

He's smart this Donald Trump, he certainly knows how to make America safe again. Or at least make halfwits feel safe.

Not only that - but if the reaction of 'Muslims' to a ban that affects less than 15% of muslims is to go and start murdering people, then really it only underlines the fundamental incompatibility of muslim society with western liberal democracy.

Brilliant, isn't it?

Then again, some white guy with an irrational hatred of Muslims and access to a molecular biology lab might be pushed by Trumps order to go all 12 Monkeys on us and release a weaponized influenza virus.

Some Muslim whackjob won't be the end of us, it'll be some first world well educated white nutjob.

Come to think of it, disallowing Muslims from entering probably makes this kind of attack the much more likely method - plenty of good biologists left in Syria and Iraq. As others have said, terrorists don't always have short attention spans.

ninfan - Member

Trump wins, again.

Posted 11 minutes ago

He just keeps on winning.....

ninfan - Member

he probably didn't go far enough, as a result of the democratic opposition fighting against it.

Posted 5 minutes ago

😆

maxtorque - Member
Well, unless that ban is seen as a deliberate and unjust act against Muslims, which results in the radicalisation of some Muslims already living the usa, who then organise a terror attack un-checked by this new 'ban'.....

Okay let's try your logic so there is a ban therefore people will now become radicalise because they disagree with the ban, then they want to start terrorising others ... hmmm ...

There are nearly 320 million Americans with many of them armed to hilt ... guess who will suffer if the locals start kicking off? Do you think the America is going to pussy foot? They will practically quarantine them en-mass if they wish to ...

maxtorque - Member
Perhaps he should come up with some sort of plan, or solution, that er, finally gets rid of Muslims for once and for all. Wonder what he could call such a plan?????

ninfan - Member
he probably didn't go far enough, as a result of the democratic opposition fighting against it.

Tom_W1987 - Member
Come to think of it, disallowing Muslims from entering probably makes this kind of attack the much more likely method - plenty of good biologists left in Syria and Iraq. As others have said, terrorists don't always have short attention spans.

The first rule about America is not to scare the American unless you can wipe America off the map in one go, otherwise if they retaliate they retaliate like a machine.

The retaliation has been going so well for them recently

chewkw
Do you think the America is going to pussy foot? They will practically [b]quarantine them en-mass[/b] if they wish to ...

chewkw
Are you trying a leading
answer?

It seems i don't even need to try, Chewy, you already said it for me.

and just to remember those left wing hand wringers at the Department of Homeland Security wrote/reported

“country of citizenship is unlikely to be a reliable indicator of potential terrorist activity.”

[quote
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
2,648 Dead and counting in 2017. The real issue.

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aracer - Member
The retaliation has been going so well for them recently

maxtorque - Member
It seems i don't even need to try, Chewy, you already said it for me.

Of course the American will apply their "engineering rational" like a well oiled machine when it comes to dealing with threats. Unless you disagree with the precision of engineering rationale?

ernie_lynch - Member

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
2,648 Dead and counting in 2017. The real issue.

320 million people and you are concerned with that 2,648?

That's [b]0.0008%[/b] of the population with majority probably drugs and gangs related ... 😯

Question you need to ask yourself.

Which kills more religion or guns?

Question you need to ask yourself.

Which kills more religion or guns?

According to a September 2016 study released by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, some 3,024 Americans died from 1975 through 2015 at the hands of foreign-born terrorists. That number includes the 9/11 terrorist attacks (2,983 people) and averages nearly 74 Americans per year.

Since 9/11, however, six Americans have died per year at the hands, guns, and bombs of foreign-born terrorists.

The results flip Trump’s rationale on its head.

Compared to the threat posed by a refugee terrorist — which the president’s executive order is specifically designed to curtail — the data suggest the typical American is:

6 times more likely to die from a shark attack (one of the rarest forms of death on Earth)
29 times more likely to die from a regional asteroid strike
260 times more likely to be struck and killed by lightning
4,700 times more likely to die in an aeroplane or spaceship accident
129,000 times more likely to die in a gun assault
407,000 times more likely to die in a motor vehicle incident
6.9 million times more likely to die from cancer or heart disease

https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Oct2015.pdf

I think that one is conclusive there beyond any dobut. In fact the total number of fatalities from 9/11 will probably be reached before the middle of the month. Sobering isn't it.

mikewsmith - Member
The president has claimed that they have no idea what is going on, have uncheck immigration and that he really needs a lot more time to work it all out. To me that isn't a well oiled machine is it. So either he is talking out of his arse or you are

The opponents should consider themselves lucky he is human otherwise they will have a hell of a heavy hammering for at least 8 years. At the moment, President Trump's opponents are getting away with only having slap on the wrists.

The only people talking out of their logic are those losing opponents, coz they simply cannot accept the logic that the President does not think like them. 😆

mikewsmith - Member

Question you need to ask yourself.
Which kills more religion or guns?

Guns
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/03/us/terrorism-gun-violence/
(These stats includ 9/11) 2001-2014 Guns 440,095 Terrorism 3,412

I am afraid that line of argument is so flawed the rational really does not make sense ...

Can knife kill? After all there are people that are stabbed to death ...
How about cars? Can car kill? Surely there are people killed by cars?

How about those trucks with explosive ... can trucks kill?

(These stats includ 9/11) 2001-2014 Guns 440,095 Terrorism 3,412

320 million population with number of guns about the same or 50% more than the population, which in a grand scheme of things, the death rate should be crazy high yet majority death are attributed to people who are influenced by drugs or some weird thoughts. The logic simply does not stack up. 🙄

[quote=mikewsmith ]So either he is talking out of his arse or you are

You're ruling out the "both" option? 😕

Oh hang on, I get it, you're suggesting that chewy [b]is[/b] Trump's arse?

[quote=chewkw ]Can knife kill? After all there are people that are stabbed to death ...
How about cars? Can car kill? Surely there are people killed by cars?
How about those trucks with explosive ... can trucks kill?

Explain to me how religion kills.

You're ruling out the "both" option?

Oh hang on, I get it, you're suggesting that chewy is Trump's arse?

I'd seriously also expect a decent legal challenge in the courts before the weekend on the ban and the AG not being around to see it all through.

aracer - Member
Explain to me how religion kills.

mikewsmith - Member
Not really but it would confuse our binary thinkers.
See above with the difficulty understanding which number is the bigger one. It fact bender is going to blow trying to make them align with the opinions on this one.

2001-2014 Guns 440,095 Terrorism 3,412

Like I say there are nearly 320 million people in America now.
That number of death means nothing in the grand scheme of things because the population growth is so scarily fast soon the world will limit the number of children a family can have ... 🙄

[b]Between 2000 and 2010 the American population grew by 27 million ...[/b] Feed them ...
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States ]Wiki "facts" here.[/url]

aracer - Member
Oh hang on, I get it, you're suggesting that chewy is Trump's arse?