doh missed that, worth doing twice though
So what do we make of Donny's threat that the US won't trade with any country trading with North Korea?
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For the record, US trade with China in 2016 stood at [url= https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html ]115.6 Billion USD exports and 462.6 Billion USD imports[/url].
Is he really prepared to throw that away?
I suppose it would help his trade deficit, but seems like there would be a negative impact on American jobs, at least in the short term, as well as some pretty unhappy consumers.
For the record, US trade with China in 2016 stood at 115.6 Billion USD exports and 462.6 Billion USD imports.Is he really prepared to throw that away?
Are China?
Mexico will pay for the wall.
I'll give a million dollars to charity.
I'll stop trade with any country doing business with NK.
Don't think China are sweating too much.
Indeed.
I'm sure economically speaking China would much rather ditch NK trade than US trade.
Rather depends if they think he is bluffing or not I guess.
Rather depends if they think he is bluffing or not I guess.
It's rather perfect in many ways, Trump can introduce targeted trade penalties/tariffs on China fairly painlessly as punitive actions over their support for NK, without taking flak for starting a trade war.
Hmmm you might be right ninfan.
"targeted trade penalties/tariffs" sounds quite a long way from "stopping all trade" but it wouldn't exactly be the first time Donny's Twitter rhetoric didn't quite match his action.
"Considering, along with other options"
Even better then, if he goes for tariffs/penalties then he's taken a measured, proportionate step rather than the nuclear (pun intended) option
Peg your ground with room to manoeuvre and then strike a deal in the middle - classic art of the deal move
Blustering, threatening and issuing contradictory responses whilst the Crazy Fat Kid just ignores his dumb bluster and goes ahead with whatever he wants to anyway, timing his provocations to coincide with notable American dates/events just to poke the Stupid Fat Orange Lump with a metaphorical stick.
Classic Trump inneffective dim incompetence.
Blustering, threatening and issuing contradictory responses... ...Classic Trump inneffective dim incompetence.
[url= http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/08/trump-obama-north-korea-241389 ]Trump’s North Korea strategy: A lot like Obama’s[/url]
😆
Peg your ground with room to manoeuvre and then strike a deal in the middle - classic art of the deal move
The ghost writer in charge?
What's the joke above ninfan, seems like you missed it. The joke is despite his shouting and telling everyone how big he is, the only option is sanctions. Pitching big and failing is a failure to understand or research.
Peg your ground with room to manoeuvre and then strike a deal in the middle - classic art of the deal move
Ha ha next you'll be telling us hrs really good at picking staff
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That's the problem with Trump, he writes a book(well someone else writes it for him) & makes his own TV show telling you how great a business man he is , and people actually believe it!
A lot like Obama’s
No Fire? No Fury? President [s]Snowflake[/s] Bluster!
The joke is despite his shouting and telling everyone how big he is, the only option is sanctions.
So now you're complaining that he [b]isn't[/b] going to bomb them?
Ha ha next you'll be telling us hrs really good at picking staff
The US has always had a very different management culture from the UK - one of the differences is the recognition in the US that performance is unpredictable, someone who has all the right 'attributes' on paper can, in reality, be crap - that's why the art of firing has always been more important than the art of hiring, underperformers get sacked, not kept on or sideways promoted, it's very much part of US corporate life. Certainly beats the Peter principle that saw us end up with people like Corbyn and May
ninfan - MemberTrump’s North Korea strategy: A lot like Obama’s
We're not discussing Obama. We're discussing Trump.
Your adoption of Flump's tactic of pointing at his predecessor to deflect attention from his idiotic behaviour works as well for you here as it does fir him, there.
Good to see that you're finally recognising his uselessness by pointing out that his behaviour is the same as something else you consider useless.
Unless of course, you're saying that Obama's strategy was just like one that you evidently admire.
Check your brain, it may be dead.
Good to see that you're finally recognising his uselessness by pointing out that his behaviour is the same as something else you consider useless.Unless of course, you're saying that Obama's strategy was just like one that you evidently admire.
The corollary to which is, of course, that in fact saint Obama was actually as bad as Trump, therefore Trump cannot be the incompetent disaster that the lefties claim, or that Trump is better than they had previously accepted
I'm not talking about other people's perceptions/opinions.
I'm talking about yours.
Which seem to be, on the latest evidence, bollox.
someone who has all the right 'attributes' on paper can, in reality, be crap -
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someone who has all the right 'attributes' on paper can, in reality, be crap -
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The corollary to which is, of course, that in fact saint Obama was actually as bad as Trump, therefore Trump cannot be the incompetent disaster that the lefties claim, or that Trump is better than they had previously accepted
Well, Trump threatened "fire and fury" if NK carried on threatening the US.
They then threatened the US with a missile launch and a nuke test.
And Trump had nothing he could do. Just left looking weak and inept.
Trump, needs some political viagra he just can't get up to his promises
Peg your ground with room to manoeuvre and then strike a deal in the middle - classic art of the deal move
This sort of thing?
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North Korea can hit most of United States: U.S. officials
Ah, "US officials"
45 minutes anyone?
[quote=ninfan ]The US has always had a very different management culture from the UK - one of the differences is the recognition in the US that performance is unpredictable, someone who has all the right 'attributes' on paper can, in reality, be crap
Remind me which of those people had the right attributes on paper? Though to be fair there is still plenty of crap in post. #drainingtheswamp
Aw ninfan still loves a lot of don....
Remind me which of those people had the right attributes on paper?
Hillary Clinton
[quote=ninfan ]Trump’s North Korea strategy: A lot like Obama’s
Well that's a relief - so the man baby just tweets at 3am rather than having any influence on real policy.
Ah, "US officials"
Here it is on Fox News if that helps..
Since Trump heard about re entries he has been ass against the wall. Remind me how ninfan thinks...
Lol I remember it's hate on anybody more left than Hitler
[quote=ninfan ]Hillary Clinton
Ah - you couldn't find an example among any of Trump's appointees? Thanks.
Who knew that bullying could be so complicated?
Double post - apologies.
aracer - Member
ninfan » Hillary Clinton
Ah - you couldn't find an example among any of Trump's appointees? Thanks.
Well yes, he can, but that would distract from his baseline defence when he can't think of anything else, which is: "Clinton! Obama! "...
As I say, adopting the last-ditch mouthings of his useless hero.
Wooohoooo - President [s]Comanche[/s] Kid Rock 2024:
I see the swamp draining is going well
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2017/sep/14/poor-treasury-barbie-even-rescue-chihuahuas-cant-do-justice-to-louise-lintons-self-sacrifice ]US Treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin, had requested a $25,000-an-hour government jet for their honeymoon[/url]
ninfan » Trump’s North Korea strategy: A lot like Obama’s
I'm wondering whether Ninfan thinks this (shared) strategy is sound or not. Just want him to confirm that either (a) Obama was right, or (b) Trump is wrong.
Or perhaps [b]was[/b] the wrong thing to do but is somehow [b]now[/b] a brilliant strategic masterstroke?
Damn, damn, damn. I've been resisting posting on this thread since the first page. Now I've gone and FTT.
I feel dirty...
And another great article by Jim Wright
[url= http://www.stonekettle.com/2017/09/ship-of-fools.html#comment-form ]Ship of Fools [/url]
@grahamh; mnuchin's request was, apparently, based on a requirement for secure comms on a usaf jet. When it was pointed out that secure comms were available in other planes the request was dropped.
Much more interesting is how trump is being pilloried by brietbart, amongst others, for walking back from his original DACA statements.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/14/donald-trump-alpha-male-chimpanzee-behavior ]What dominant chimpanzees and Donald Trump have in common[/url]
That's a bit harsh comparing a simple animal ruled by base instincts and with no real understanding of the human world....with a chimpanzee!
slowoldman - Member
What dominant chimpanzees and Donald Trump have in common
Guess which side(s) has been dominated. 😀
Nothing harsh at all because the dominance always win. Sometimes the other side with their chimps won, sometimes they lose. Simple. How hard can that be? 😆akira - Member
That's a bit harsh comparing a simple animal ruled by base instincts and with no real understanding of the human world....with a chimpanzee!
Mr Wright completely missed the point but letting him and the likes keep guessing can be a good thing. 😆grahamh - Member
And another great article by Jim Wright
Ship of Fools
Bluffing, aggressive, IQ of about 40. Yup pretty similar.
I'm wondering whether Ninfan thinks this (shared) strategy is sound or not. Just want him to confirm that either (a) Obama was right, or (b) Trump is wrong.
Surely the corollary to that is that (a) Trump is actually doing a good job, or (b) Obama wasn't as good as everyone reckoned he was. Or perhaps it was the right thing to do then but is somehow now the actions of a madman threatening world peace?
It's not just what you say it's how you say it, measured press conference and a consistent message is one thing, manic tweets and wildly changing policies is totally different. Battersea dogs home asking if you want to see some puppies is one thing, a man in a balaclava and no trousers in the back of a van asking the same thing is quite different.
akira - Member
Bluffing, aggressive, IQ of about 40. Yup pretty similar.
If IQ is the judge of a person then we are all doomed. 😆
There is nothing wrong with what he does because that's him. Being himself with his identity. It's his identity that got him to be the President of USA. There were other candidates but all were rejected. They looked smart etc but none of them were good enough to carry them through. None. 😆akira - Member
It's not just what you say it's how you say it, measured press conference and a consistent message is one thing, manic tweets and wildly changing policies is totally different. Battersea dogs home asking if you want to see some puppies is one thing, a man in a balaclava and no trousers in the back of a van asking the same thing is quite different.
Two trolls looming over me now, I feel like Trump in a Russia hotel room.
Here we find ourselves literally on the brink of a nuclear conflict within 9 months of the buffoon being sworn in, aaaaaand: "blah blah blah.... trump won, get over it.... blah blah blah"
I'm wondering whether Ninfan thinks this (shared) strategy is sound or not.
he doesn't care about the strategy, he wants to try to wind you up by comparing Trump and Obama directly.
He does this on all threads that he "contributes" to.
To be fair chewkw has a point. It appears that a large portion of the US population is attracted to a loud mouthed, ignorant, braggart.
Latest news is that the Orange Genius has described his Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, as an idiot and demanded his resignation.
It's good to know he can recognise idiocy so quickly...
[url= https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/donald-trump-on-london-terror-explosion-us-president-says-parsons-green-tube-suspect-was-in-sights-a3635901.html ]Mirror mirror on the wall.[/url]
slowoldman - Member
To be fair chewkw has a point. It appears that a large portion of the US population is attracted to a loud mouthed, ignorant, braggart.
I don't think being loud is the key to Presidency. 😆
Look at the rest of the candidates pretending to be calm etc, they struggled in all the debates.
chewkw - MemberI don't think
Yeah, I'll give you that.
[quote=chewkw ]I don't think being loud is the key to Presidency.
Ah, it's the ignorant braggart bit then.
You only have to look at his supporters.
The loud mouth is at it again.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41283984 ]Parsons Green: Theresa May scolds Trump for terror tweets[/url]
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What's happened to this thread? I'm sure there were a load more posts on here last time I looked (I remember a reply to slowoldman's post)?
Yeah it was huge. Biggest ever.
Another thread popped up starting with the Teresa May think I posted here and there were some responses on that thread. I can't see it right now.
Once everyone agreed trump was a bawbag but his supporters/trolls would never change it kind of dried up.
So how long before Kelly quits?
Reading a lot into a few pictures but still....
It's got quite boring since he started booting out all the zealots from the White House, almost seemed sane.... Until trump's latest speech
Meuller looks set to be taking down Manafort but suspect that trump will sleaze his way out of it.
To the UN
'It's not that they (Venezuela) poorly implemented socialism, its that they faithfully implemented socialism'
*audience laughs*
*audience realise he isn't joking*
*audience claps, lightly*
Watching his delivery in that speech it's never been more obvious that it's actually Dale Winton with a mask on
For ages, I've been trying to think who he sounds like, but whenever he's on telly I'm mesmerised by his hair, and umpa-lumpa-like appearance so much I can't quite put my finger on it
But I've just listened to his totally unhinged UN speech on the radio and it just clicked....
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I'm assuming that Socialism directed by a government owning the "commanding heights" of the economy isn't "proper" Socialism, then?
He just can't help himself, can he?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41345577 ]"I have so many friends going to your countries trying to get rich. I congratulate you, they're spending a lot of money,[/url]
The joke being he didn't mispronounce 'Namibia'.
He was aiming for 'Narnia'
I've noticed he often has trouble with his pronounciation whilst speechifying, stumbling over words of more than two syllables when paired with a following word of similar complexity. He also repeats phrases that he thinks need reinforcing, because he fears that other people have a similarly unfocused attention span to his own.
I'm sure there's a medical reference for the condition...
speechifying
This is my new word for 'speaking'
Maybe he wasn't sure if he meant Gambia, Zambia or Namibia and just decided to bluff it out?
He also repeats phrases that he thinks need reinforcing
that's common in politics - Corbyn does it as well.
that's common in politics - Corbyn does it as well.
See also:
Strong and stable
Back to basics
Forty-five minutes
£350m a week
Arbeit macht frei
Etc.
Jobs first brexshit
How does this thread survive after the recent purge?
Must be very dull now...
Well next up is the chance him and Borris manage to hold a joint press conference
....after the recent purge?
eh? 😕
I think some of his [s]sock puppets[/s] [s]alter egos[/s] mates are having an extended "holiday"
that's common in politics - Corbyn does it as well.
Aye the last strong and stable election was certainly just epitomised by him saying a phrase over and over again.
Its fair to say that politicians often talk in soundbites but trump has a very very limited bad vocabulary. Sad.