[Closed] Donald! Trump!

Really, I always thought he's pretty straightforward. I don't recall a lurch into the realms of fantasy.

This. He ( Fisk) has the advantage of actually knowing what he is talking about.

I made the terrible personal decision to catch up on events last night by watching a grown man get sprayed orange (offscreen) then look the news cameras in the eye and repeatedly lie (in a whiney voice some a deceptive, weird, vengeful schoolgirl) about one of the most important and influential agreements in World history.

How does the president of of the US get to say 'we shall continue to be the cleanest country'? And still get to be president? Someone please explain to me how such whopping lies can stand?

And all that disgraceful whining about how the US would have to make more concessions than any other signatory, and 'they won't laugh at us anymore' weird shit. He's making America after himself. A country modeled after a vengeful, creepy, shit-stirring manbaby with a host of other glaring personality disorders. I know they have previous, but this is Fonzius Fonzarelli not only water-skiing over a shark, but back-flipping, fisting himself in the throat and high-fiving himself up the arse. His 'fears' of the Paris agreement are a thief afraid of being robbed. A shart afraid of farts. And so he lies. And he lies abotu his lies. A man dismantling an amnesty by hiding knives in other's pockets.

But did he actually read the agreement? Because unless time.com is also lying:

The deal was established as non-binding, and countries set their own goals to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. The agreement was envisioned to derive its strength from the accountability countries would hold each other to — essentially, peer pressure — at the subsequent meetings.

If they were willing to impeach Clinton on (m)oral grounds (albeit unrelated to the running of the country) - then why is it not considered impeachably immoral to be a deceptive, openly bullshitting narcissist who lies tirelessly, distorts and upends facts, figures, events and situations which affect/effect the ongoing administration of the US?

I don't get it. Is it mass complicity? Keeping him there? He is arguably the most deceptive and uneducated sack of shite ever to take the position. That takes some doing. In charge of the 'Free World'. WTF, USA?

22 congressmen signed a letter begging Trump to withdraw (something I wish Trump's Dad did) from the agreement. Guess what? They all have received major contributions, many in the millions of dollars, from oil and coal companies.

They all have received major contributions, many in the millions of dollars, from oil and coal companies

Is there clear documented evidence of this? Links?

 

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They all have received major contributions, many in the millions of dollars, from oil and coal companies

Is there clear documented evidence of this? Links?

Is there clear documented evidence of this? Links?

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/01/republican-senators-paris-climate-deal-energy-donations ]according to Federal Election Commission disclosures analyzed by the Center for Responsive Politics.[/url]

^ Thanks. No appetitite for revolution over there? Or is The Orange One 'The Revolution'? Asleep below decks with a power-drunken narcissist at the wheel? Sounds familiar. Seems like he has all bases covered. What a trick, convincing Americans that he's not the Establishment..

What a trick, convincing Americans that he's not the Establishment..

Indeed.

The Trumpet went to Europe and was treated like the half wit he is. I think he thought he was going to be popular, loved, slapped on the back and told what a great guy he is, and of course Germany will stop selling cars to America. None of which happened. He was laughed at and treated like an imbecile. So he stomped off inthe huff and chucked his toys out of the pram. Paris Agreement? Representing Philadelphia not Paris? Putting America first? Rubbish, it just the Trumpet doing what he does - behaving like a petulant child

[quote=mikey74 ]Is there clear documented evidence of this? Links?

according to Federal Election Commission disclosures analyzed by the Center for Responsive Politics.

Draining the swamp...

Trump Brexit May - it's all piss poor isolated people with the begging bowl in hand.

No one needs to worry about the current madness around Trump May Brexit Paris climate deal - none of these things can deliver what the great unwashed want- anyone with two ounces of shit for brains understands this will all implode.

All the great nationalistic causes Only have a life span of 5 years- Nazi Germany, Facist Italy, Facist Japan even the Soviet union only lasted 50 years with extensive global support and isolationism - Maos China is long gone. Sit back folks let the idiots deal with each other.

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Interesting 5 year measure that slowoldman, are you sure that's right?

Classy 🙄

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/04/donald-trump-lashes-sadiq-khan-london-terror-attacks/

Possibly the only person in power that says what people think and want?

Yes Sadiq Khan is pretty good, we're lucky to have him as our mayor.

Classy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/04/donald-trump-lashes-sadiq-khan-london-terror-attacks/

I suspect that is nothing more than Trump taking the opportunity to have a pop at Khan, given that Khan has been quite vocal on what he thinks about Trump's policies in the past. Very classy indeed.

Possibly the only person in power that says what people think and want?

Covfefe?

I wish a major world leader would call out Trump on his ridiculous quoting things out of context bullshit. It's at least twice he's done it with something Khan has said and just because he's the US president no one important really says anything.

Possibly the only person in power that says what people think and want?

Which "people"? His poll ratings would suggest otherwise.

And he certainly doesn't say or support anything that I think or want.

Which "people"? His poll ratings would suggest otherwise.

Possibly the only person in power that says what people think and want?

Who are these people so I can run the other way?

I wish a major world leader would call out Trump on his ridiculous quoting things out of context bullshit.

Not quite a world leader, perhaps, but this was appropriately snide from Saddique Khan's press secretary:

He has more important things to do than respond to Donald Trump's ill-informed tweet that deliberately takes out of context his remarks

I think Sadiq Khan is doing a good job and it’s wrong to say anything else.”

Of course, the PM knows to say anything else would be seen as opportunistic sniping - she knows she has to promote unity. To do otherwise would be moronic. Of course, the Donald doesn't let that trouble him.

Are you lot still up in arms with President Trump's views? 😯

Imagine if the Mayor is a Tory there will be massive street protest innit ... 🙄

Trump is holding a grudge against Khan and trying to score petty points while the rest of the adult world is sombre and sensible. The man is a toddler, if he visits London the protests will be huge and the signs will be entertaining crude I hope. #presidentbawbag

Are you lot still up in arms with President Trump's views?

Why on earth wouldn't we be?

Or do you really believe that the President of the US is so utterly powerless and lacking in influence that his views have no impact?

chewkw - Member
Are you lot still up in arms with President Trump's views?

No. More like irritated at his moronic, bullying stupidity.

Haven't you found a hole to fall down in yet?

chewkw - Member
Are you lot still up in arms with President Trump's views?

He did fall down a hole, he ended up in Wonderland. This persona is the one that came back.

Either that or the crack pipe.

chewkw - Member

Are you lot still up in arms with President Trump's views?

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/kushner-told-coworker-trump-knew-birtherism-was-a-lie-but-republicans-are-stupid-and-theyll-buy-it/

He doesn’t really believe it, Elizabeth. He just knows republicans are stupid and they’ll buy it.

Cannot wait till Trump comes to visit London, he's managed to insult the whole city with his cheap attack on Kahn

chewkw
Are you lot still up in arms with President Trump's views?

Is he still a moronic, racist, rapist, with zero sympathy for others?

Imagine if the Mayor is a Tory there will be massive street protest innit ...

You make less & less sense - how do you do it??

You lot really crack me up ... honest. 😆

President Trump is absolutely right in his comment about the London Mayor you know.

I mean you need to be a bit "bright" to say "... no reason to be alarmed!" 😯

What we are in Kabul? 😯

That London Mayor is a bit gifted don't you think so? 😛

Now imagine if PM May says that you lot will go ape shite with street protest and demand an apology with troll media all over the place to demanding an explanation. 😆

Why do the police alarm you, chewkw?

so what did khan do to trump anyhow, or is this just pure racism on his part?

Northwind - Member
Why do the police alarm you, chewkw?

seosamh77 - Member
so what did khan do to trump anyhow, or is this just pure racism on his part?

so what did khan do to trump anyhow, or is this just pure racism on his part?

You have to wonder why he picked on the mayor of London and not the mayor of Manchester.. Who said:

... Today it will be business as usual...

That's pretty much the same thing as saying don't be alarmed.

You have to wonder why he picked on the mayor of London and not the mayor of Manchester.

mattyfez - Member
That's pretty much the same thing as saying don't be alarmed.

Not the same according to my alien understanding ...

Business as usual implies continue to open shops etc but acknowledging something is not right ...

"... no reason to be alarmed!" Implies that knowing something is wrong but keep on ignoring it ...

Two different scenarios there. Stiff upper lip vs surrendering.

chewkw, you do know you are the worst troll on the interweb, right?

seosamh77 - Member
chewkw, you do know you are the worst troll on the interweb, right

If you use "alarm" in that sentence it always make people feel weird. 🙄

So which would you prefer: "Remain calm" or "Don't panic"?

chewkw - Member

"... no reason to be alarmed!" Implies that knowing something is wrong but keep on ignoring it .

So why do you think the increased police presence is wrong?

chewkw - Member

Why do you have have to assume that I am trolling?
If you use "alarm" in that sentence it always make people feel weird.

So which would you prefer: "Remain calm" or "Don't panic"?

I rest my case.

Northwind - Member
So why do you think the increased police presence is wrong?

Wrong statement or expression from the London Mayor. i.e. wrong choice of words.

Police etc done the right thing.

chewkw - Member

Police etc done the right thing.

So if they done the right thing why do you find it a cause for alarm?

Northwind - Member

chewkw - Member
Police etc done the right thing.

So if they done the right thing why do you find it a cause for alarm?

His PR people are not earning their keep ... 🙄

Because the London Mayor contradicted the police by using the wrong expression.

Really? Sadiq Khan said, in context..

“My message to Londoners and visitors to our great city is to be calm and vigilant today. You will see an increased police presence today, including armed officers and uniformed officers. There is no reason to be alarmed by this. We are the safest global city in the world. You saw last night as a consequence of our planning, our preparation, the rehearsals that take place, the swift response from the emergency services tackling the terrorists and also helping the injured.”

Which bit of that contradicts the police? Have the police said that people SHOULD be alarmed by the increased police presence?

GrahamS - Member

It would be better:

“My message to Londoners and visitors to our great city is to be calm and vigilant today. You will see an increased police presence today, including armed officers and uniformed officers. [s]There is no reason to be alarmed by this.[/s] We are the safest global city in the world. You saw last night as a consequence of our planning, our preparation, the rehearsals that take place, the swift response from the emergency services tackling the terrorists and also helping the injured.”

So now you're saying he didn't contradict the police?

chew give it a rest.

Northwind - Member
So now you're saying he didn't contradict the police?

seosamh77 - Member
chew give it a rest.

It's a very thin line with that expression as it can be interpreted both ways.

Meanwhile in the mess that is the White House it's Comey week
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/us/politics/trump-will-not-block-comey-from-testifying-white-house-says.html
and then he is sabotaging his own Supreme Court Challenge

WASHINGTON — President Trump has excellent lawyers. They have a challenging client.

In a series of Twitter posts Monday morning, Mr. Trump may have irretrievably undermined his lawyers’ efforts to persuade the Supreme Court to reinstate his executive order limiting travel from six predominantly Muslim countries, according to legal experts.

Saying he preferred “the original Travel Ban, not the watered down, politically correct version” he had issued in March, Mr. Trump attacked both the Justice Department and the federal courts.

There is a reason lawyers generally insist that their clients remain quiet while their cases move forward, said Josh Blackman, a professor at South Texas College of Law in Houston.

Such a special kind of idiot, one who probably sticks to the we don't need experts chant on his way to court again.

'Alarmed' just does not fit in the entire statement. Just does not work.

Are you now saying Trump was merely criticising Khan's command of grammar??
I thought it was about contradicting the police?

He already mentioned 'calm and vigilant' which is already clear but he spoiled it by saying " ... no reason to be alarmed ..."

No actually what he said made perfect sense. Nothing was "spoiled" until some orange-faced buffoon tried take it completely out of context.

You can do that with any phrase if you choose to completely ignore the context. i.e. Trump could equally have said: [i]"London mayor says terrorist attack by his fellow Muslims was 'a consequence of our planning, our preparation'. He's clearly in on it. Bigly sad."[/i] - that doesn't make it true!

Glad to see that this particular sheltered workshop is still running, although I fear it's subject is beyond help.

[b]context[/b]
noun
synonyms: circumstances, conditions, surroundings, factors, state of affairs;
the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.

Here you go Chewkw, I'll spell it out for you:

The "there is no reason to be alarmed by this" statement was in the [i]context[/i] of the preceding sentence:

"You will see an increased police presence today, including armed officers and uniformed officers"

Perhaps you can only process one sentence at a time? If we replace the full stop with a comma, does this help you to understand?

"You will see an increased police presence today, including armed officers and uniformed officers, there is no reason to be alarmed by this."

of course, it's possible that you understand perfectly.... but you're just choosing to appear stupid?

edit: 😆 😆 😆

chewkw - Member

It's a very thin line with that expression as it can be interpreted both ways.

Ah so now you're saying that you just don't understand it but that it's Khan's fault?

batfink - Member
edit: 😆 😆 😆

^^^ you nearly got me there with the middle one missing but I managed to figure out.

😆 😆 😆

So you worked out you and Trump were wrong? Well done.

[quote=chewkw ]wrong choice of words.

We have finally found chewy's area of expertise.

I'm still not sure why anybody is bothering to try and engage him in intelligent discussion. Though he has admittedly sunk to a new low with his support of Trump being a total dick in attempting to make political capital out a terrorist incident.

To divert slightly.... do we think Mr Trump is enjoying being president?

From where I'm sitting - he's finding the whole thing baffling, frustrating and enormously stressful.

As damaging it is to have him in office, it does bring me some satisfaction to see that he's hating every minute of it.

batfink - Member

To divert slightly.... do we think Mr Trump is enjoying being president?

From where I'm sitting - he's finding the whole thing baffling, frustrating and enormously stressful.

As damaging it is to have him in office, it does bring me some satisfaction to see that he's hating every minute of it.

You lot are just being dramatic which is normal when reality set in. 😛

[quote=batfink ]To divert slightly.... do we think Mr Trump is enjoying being president?
From where I'm sitting - he's finding the whole thing baffling, frustrating and enormously stressful

I'm no longer entirely sure he even understands the situation.

batfink - Member
To divert slightly.... do we think Mr Trump is enjoying being president?

[s]This Week[/s] Yet another week of problems with Comey on the stand, more questions about who did or said what and little movement on any of his "policy" goals. Expect a couple of attempts to use something from the House of Cards Season 5 playbook only to be called on it.

aracer - Member
I'm no longer entirely sure he even understands the situation.

Are you saying that he won the US Presidential election without understanding the role, while those seasoned politicians lose? 😆

I'm saying whatever you think I'm saying - I really couldn't care less about your opinion chewy - you did at least used to be amusing.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-us-president-harder-than-thought-white-house-first-100-days-legislation-healthcare-a7708166.html
http://freebeacon.com/politics/trump-jobs-harder-thought/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-100days-idUSKBN17U0CA
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/28/politics/donald-trump-president-easier/index.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/04/28/trump-says-being-president-harder-than-expected/NdYa0DwtP3VVD7afnZ1OaN/story.html

"I love my previous life. I had so many things going. This is more work than in my previous life," Trump said. "I thought it would be easier. I thought it was more of a . . . I'm a details-oriented person. I think you'd say that, but I do miss my old life. I like to work so that's not a problem but this is actually more work."

Are you saying that he won the US Presidential election without understanding the role

I'm a details-oriented person

bahahahahahahahahaha.....no.

Unfortunately (for him), his enormous ego and low IQ make him incredibly easy to wind-up. By forcing him into the detail, he's continually made to look stupid.... which (to him) is the worst thing in the world.

I have predicted a mega-flounce, but I'm wondering whether a stroke, or some sort of (further) breakdown is more likely?

Although, from her expression, it wouldn't surprise me if Meliana did him in.

Although, from her expression, it wouldn't surprise me if Meliana did him in.

Why do you have have to assume that I am trolling?

Because the majority of your posts are inflammatory shite you cheeky wee scamp! 😛

Pretty accurate description of the fetid c unit

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/huppke/ct-trump-london-terror-huppke-20170605-story.html

To divert slightly.... do we think Mr Trump is enjoying being president?

I think he probably thinks it's worth it to ensure his legacy. It perhaps depends how many yes men and women he has around him, if he realises deep down how poorly he is viewed at home and abroad I think he'll have a hard time thinking it's worth it. I doubt he really has that level of self awareness so on balance it might be awesome apart from a few 'unexplained' critics.

Anybody seen Sebastian Gorka being interviewed? 😯 a real piece of work.

of course, it's possible that you understand perfectly.... but you're just choosing to appear stupid?

I genuinely don't think that's the case.

if he realises deep down how poorly he is viewed at home and abroad I think he'll have a hard time thinking it's worth it

Have you ever worked with someone who has NPD? I had never heard the term but once had the misfortune of being in a business partnership with one. It's how I eventually learned about the disorder and I learned over time that they don't function like regular humans. I recognise them almost instantly now. They do not/cannot reflect upon themselves, at least not any meaningful way. It really is the strangest and most disorientating thing to witness someone who lives a lie to such a degree. They look in a mirror and see a shining champion, when in reality they are this vain, slimy, ruthless, deluded, lying, manipulative, envy-bound, puerile, chauvinistic and non-empathic tragedy of a human-being. Empty husks, like acquistive robots filling up their coffers and (distorted) self-images by any means necessary.

Imagine a hall of mirrors which rather than distorting one's reflection in an ugly fashion, instead makes you look beautiful, fearless, 'dangerous to fools', and perfect. And any fool that says otherwise is just sad. So sad. And jealous.

They are the living walking version of the old Bible and Quran trick - ie if you say anything bad about it proves that the The Word is true. If you say anything bad about The Donald, it proves that The Donald is beautiful. The most beautiful.

President is a perfect job for someone with NPD! Unlimited resources and the ability to surround self with sycophantic 'narcissistic supply' bots. Which is just as well, because IME they need 'concealer' for everything.

I genuinely don't think that's the case.

Are you saying you don't have a choice?

😉

The first rule of engaging with our resident troll:

[b][i]Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.[/i][/b]

Perhaps you can only process one sentence at a time?

Maybe that is Trump's problem too? Sadiq's statement was well over the 140 character limit that Trump can cope with. 😀

[url= https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/871725780535062528 ]I see he doubled-down by bitching[/url] that [i]context[/i] (i.e. all the other words and meaning around the five he selected) is a [i]"Pathetic excuse"[/i] and that [i]"MSM is working hard to sell it!"[/i].

Only Trump could claim that publishing Sadiq's full statement is an MSM/fakenews plot. 😐

In other news, I see [url= https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/871674214356484096 ]he is also now saying[/url] it [i]is[/i] a "TRAVEL BAN" after all.

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Someone pass Spicer another Advil:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/spicer-this-is-not-a-travel-ban/2017/06/05/a7930b7a-49f3-11e7-987c-42ab5745db2e_video.html

Meanwhile here is Kellyanne criticising the media for its "obsession" on reporting Trump's tweets 😆

Stop reporting what he says, you're making him look bad.

Brilliant stuff.

I daresay there is a significant proportion of the population that, when Donald Dreck visits, would be likely to "demonstrate" along the motorcade route...

Imagine the effect on his fragile persona if, instead of turning up and doing a lot of shouting, everybody just simply ignored it.

There he is, getting carriaged up the Mall and behind the crush barriers... nobody.

Just the occasional drifting tumbleweed bundle... 😈