Time to **** off now chewkw. Fun while it lasted!

That's not very kind is it fourbanger? Play nicely.

We seem to be reaching the stage where a real prison time is quite likely. Chances of Kosher having acted independently seem slim, judging by the dubious moral character of Trump and his entourage I'm guessing someone is going to roll over.

Lock [s]her[/s] him up!

Apart from the fact that BMW's biggest car plant is in the USA (providing lots of "American jobs"), the likes of Chevrolet and Chrysler might sell more if they made decent quality products.

Although that would need a system based on a free market, the last thing a protectionist/corporatist like Trumper would accept.

[url= http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/monde/proche-moyen-orient/syrie-80-civils-dont-33-enfants-decimes-dans-un-raid-de-la-coalition_1912065.html ]Trump attacks Syria following Manchester.[/url]

Sorry the link is in French but a story that has made all the mainstream media in France fails to throw up results on the Anglo-Saxon Web (or I'm using thr wrong key words). If someone finds a mainstream British media outlet with the story please link it.
Edit:[url= http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/5/26/1666276/-Coalition-strike-kills-80-relatives-of-ISIS-33-children-Trump-said-to-take-out-the-families ]Link in English with some other links.[/url]

thanks for the english version and i had not seen the story and cannot find it online - most of the stuff i go to is MSM but even googling reveals nothing

Its not surprising he would commit a war crime now is it

Its not surprising he would commit a war crime now is it

He's too stupid to know that's what it is.

I look forward to his cheerleaders on here defending [i]this[/i]...

“Bomb ‘em til they love us”...

In other news - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40067473

Coptic Christian's being killed in Egypt - who are you going to blame that on then? Egyptian foreign policy? Islamophobia?

ninfan - Member

In other news - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40067473

Coptic Christian's being killed in Egypt - who are you going to blame that on then? Egyptian foreign policy? Islamophobia?

Well, the report says:

State media say six strikes hit the town of Derna in neighbouring Libya.

So that looks like the chaotic situation in Libya, created by - at least in part - UK foreign policy is to blame.

Coptic Christian's being killed in Egypt - who are you going to blame that on then? Egyptian foreign policy? Islamophobia?

who are you going to blame that on then? Egyptian foreign policy? Islamophobia?

did you mean to say what - see your trolling is so so poor these days. SAD

Coptic Christian's being killed in Egypt - who are you going to blame that on then? Egyptian foreign policy? Islamophobia?

[i]Sigh...[/i]

I'll type this slowly so that you can keep up.

[b]Nobody has said that Islamist religious hatred is [i]solely[/i] due to western foreign policy[/b].

NIN, you are aware, aren't you, that when Islamists aren't killing "Kafirun" (non-believers), they're often killing other Muslims?

Religions of all stripes are pretty good at the sectarian stuff....

Well, the report says:

State media say six strikes hit the town of Derna in neighbouring Libya.

It actually expands on the point further than that:

Military sources told Reuters news agency that the militants targeted in Libya had been involved in the attack on Egyptian Christians earlier in the day.

Donald Trump apparently wandered off in a daze right in the middle of a press conference with Prime Minister Netanyahu.

The Trump attacks on Syria were not in response to the attack on Coptic Christians in Egypt. The Egyptians knew where the attackers came from; Libya. And dealt with it themselves attacking camps in Libya.

The timing just doesn't add up. I heard about Trump's attack on Syria on Thursday evening and the attack on the Christians took place Friday according to Europe 1.

mikewsmith »
I believe Priebus was quoted as saying Trump was exhausted in Saudi hence mixing words up - exhausted after a flight on probably one of the nicest planes in the world?

BoardinBob - Member
To be fair, he is 70 years old and I doubt he's particularly healthy living

Which makes a bit of a farce of the "fittest ever president" guff I ride with a chap who is 75 and once warmed up is like a train on rides and just keeps going, he's also sharp as a pin and often catches us out. Even my 76 year old Father in Law who has had a heart attack at 69 is so bloody energetic its life affirming

This from a BBC article which might have been linked before[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39943948 ]Steak & Ketchup[/url]

[i]"The first thing is simply the pace. If you look at how Trump spends his days in the White House, it seems to be an enormous amount of time watching TV and not much else. But these trips are punishing, he will be meeting an enormous number of people and it requires tremendous energy and focus - not his strong suit."

The president's team has reportedly attempted to build downtime into his schedule wherever possible, and instructed foreign delegations that he prefers short presentations with lots of visual aids.

His limited attention span is said to have already affected preparation for the trip. Aides threaded the president's own name through the paragraphs of a two-page briefing memo in order to hold his interest, the New York Times reported on Friday.[/i]

I'm liking Macron's subtle Trump trolling:

1) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40077241 - Beating Trump at his own ridiculous handshake game

2)

- The Trump swerve snub. Just look at Trump's tiny hands. He just can't contain his petty annoyance.

I love that last video - it just encapsulates the orange man's personality so perfectly. The irony is that [i]of course[/i] Macron should greet Merkel first and Trump shouldn't be surprised by this - Germany is a geographical, political and ideological neighbour; plus Merkel is a relevant figure whose opinions matter to the French. Trump is a laughing stock who doesn't understand what the clever people are saying, he only looks up over his Beano when he hears his name. Yet he's so deluded he thinks he's the most important person there.

It appears the Trump strategy for dealing with poor little Jared's problems is, typically, to double down.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/28/homeland-security-chief-defends-kushners-alleged-back-channel-to-the-russians-its-a-good-thing/?utm_term=.9af649504421

So does that mean that the 'back channel' attempt is not going to be denied? It's all getting a bit desperate.

In another odd twist, James Comey was fired the day after the FBI questioned Jared about this.

I think you could probably find some suspicious-looking coincidence/cock-up happening on virtually any day of the Trump presidency so far.

[url= http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/335481-trump-campaign-likely-didnt-save-documents-report ]Seems the paper shredders[/url] have been doing overtime at the White House.

R4 this morning. Gary Kasperof (s) "Trump has more connections to Russia than Aeroflot".

Comms director fired

spicy keeps his job

for now

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/30/dubke-resigns-as-white-house-communications-director/?utm_term=.8e07c6b9d252

Oh dear and things had been going so well in the Whitehouse

Croatian President in 'otters pocket' shocker:

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[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-angela-merkel-respond-germany-very-bad-us-twitter-nato-g7-leaders-visit-a7762841.html ]Meanwhile, in the comments section[/url] - spread your wings and fly little troll, fly

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This is a new Ed Balls day

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^^^ that croation president? looks transfixed by his hair

Wouldn't you be? I'm sure most people would be trying to work out how it stays on in windy conditions. I mean, helicopter downforce is pretty strong, so that's either Araldite or something equally strong.

Judging by the fact that every smart being is trying to distance themselves from him I conclude that his hair is stupid.

I recall some three months ago, quite a large amount of my social media feed was various acquaintances posting jubilant pro-Trump and pro-GOP stuff.

Their silence now is deafening.

Seems like he's gonna ditch the paris agreement now... 😳

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/donald-trump-climate-change-paris-agreement-accord-deal-us-withdraw-global-warming-environment-a7764916.html ]http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/donald-trump-climate-change-paris-agreement-accord-deal-us-withdraw-global-warming-environment-a7764916.html[/url]

ah "sources claim"

🙄

ninfan - Member
ah "sources claim"

I know

its impossible to imagine a leak in the whitehouse, Trump manages to engender such loyalty- after all, theres been no leaks at all since he came to power
😉

ah "sources claim"

[url= https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-is-pulling-u-s-out-of-paris-climate-deal-2427773025.html ]https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-is-pulling-u-s-out-of-paris-climate-deal-2427773025.html[/url]

"President Trump has made his decision to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the decision. Details on how the withdrawal will be executed are being worked out by a small team including EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt. They're deciding on whether to initiate a full, formal withdrawal — which could take 3 years — or exit the underlying United Nations climate change treaty, which would be faster but more extreme."

Sounds pretty specific to me 😆

Air flounce one is cleared for take off
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/31/donald-trump-russia-investigation-sean-spicer-no-questions

I'm hugely amused to see another historical parallel with Nixon, who allegedly said of his running mate Spiro Agnew:

Nixon is said to have described Agnew as his "best insurance against assassination" given that "No assassin in his right mind would kill me. They know if they did that they would wind up with Agnew!"

Mike Pence anyone?

So all questions about the Russia investigation will be passed to Trumps lawyer, who is also under investigation. So do we have to speak to trumps lawyers lawyer?

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/01/nigel-farage-is-person-of-interest-in-fbi-investigation-into-trump-and-russia ]Nigel Farage a person of interest in Trump FBI investigation?
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Goodness me!!

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/us-billionaire-mercer-helped-back-brexit ]
Could it be anything to do with the same shadowy figures being deeply involved in both Trump's presidential campaign and Brexit?[/url]

Pff, next they'll be telling us that Trump and May's cuddle buddies[url= http://www.newsweek.com/uk-report-terror-saudi-arabia-public-finding-618508 ] in Saudi Arabia are intrinsically linked to islamic terror[/url]

Surely that won't tie into Trump and Russia too...

The republicans trumpsday clock must be at about 11:59 right now.

Pulling US out of Paris treaty...

Giving the rest of the world another reason to dislike the US for the sake of pleasing a few thousand rust belt miners and all his mates who own fossil fuel interests.

imagine if the rest of the world put sanctions on US trade as a reaction to it?

rs - Member
imagine if the rest of the world put sanctions on US trade as a reaction to it?

Murica is the only nation in the world that is self-sufficient if I can recall so not much impact really.

On the other hand I would like to see a total war with US to see who has the upper hand. Does that mean US will unleash all their nukes? 😛

MSP - Member

I think the rest of the world is more likely to turn its back on US political ideology with Trump as president.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/us-election/page/2

I said that some time ago, and it is looking a more promising reality every day. And I believe that will be a big win for future generations the world over,

[quote=chewkw ]Murica is the only nation in the world that is self-sufficient

cite

ok, a little out of date, but doesn't look too self sufficient to me, maybe if they all start driving electric vehicles and eating less meat to save the environment... oh wait...

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chewkw

On the other hand I would like to see a total war with US to see who has the upper hand

Really? You like to see several hundred million people die, reduce our earth to a smoldering rock, put back the progress of mankind by a thousand years?

I'll pass on that one thanks.

And here's the rub, using fossil fuels is a short term solution. When they run out, and they will, the USA will suddenly be a backwater in the global economy. it won't have any renewable energy sources, as cheap fossil fuels will have made those sources un-economic to develop, whereas the rest of the world will, having met the challenge head on, be sitting pretty on a decade (at least) of well developed, well specified, and well used, renewables...

rs - Member
ok, a little out of date, but doesn't look too self sufficient to me, maybe if they all start driving electric vehicles and eating less meat to save the environment... oh wait...

maxtorque - Member
Really? You like to see several hundred million people die, reduce our earth to a smoldering rock, put back the progress of mankind by a thousand years?

Any country stupid enough to elect Trump couldn't survive by itself. Guess we can leave them to it and then invade when they're reduced to throwing rocks at each other and shouting at the sky.

Don't forget that Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.

So not really fair to make such a statement.

Plus we voted for Brexit fuelled on by Farage and Boris, so we should probably not completely ruin the greenhouse.

You've made me sad Jamie, I'm not really sure what has gone wrong... 😥

All I can say is GOOOOO CHINA & INDIAAAAAA!

If those two lead the charge on renewables, it'll offset America's selfishness till the Republicans get kicked out. Hopefully it won't be too late for all the national parks that have drilling rigs hovering over them.

Looks like trump is pulling out of the climate agreement.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-40123293 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-40123293[/url]

This is possibly a good thing, I'd like to see some economic sanctions imposed on America.

Sanctions could be a good way to show trump and the American public that they don't actually actually get to do what they want.

The alternative was that they stay in the agreement and keep making excuses for not meeting it.

Surely someone has told trump that the biggest threat to American jobs is automation? Which can happen in any country.

To be honest I'd rather they left. They would just be obstructionist if they stayed. Crazy that their head of the EPA has such close ties to the oil industry.

ninfan - Member

ah "sources claim"

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40127326 ]Yes, they do[/url]

Surely someone has told trump that the biggest threat to American jobs is automation? Which can happen in any country.

chewkw - Member
.I don't think

I concur

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/world/europe/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-hacking.html
Anyone see this starting to unravel?

MOSCOW — Shifting from his previous blanket denials, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said on Thursday that “patriotically minded” private Russian hackers could have been involved in cyberattacks last year that meddled in the United States presidential election.

[quote=Donny ]We don't want other leaders and other countries laughing at us any more

<everybody else> 😆 </everybody else>

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jared-kushner-donald-trump-lied-base-stupid-voters-supporters-president-son-in-law-white-house-a7764791.html

Jared Kushner 'admitted Donald Trump lies to his base because he thinks they're stupid'

Surely no-one on here would be taken in by his lies though? Really? No-one at all?

I think there's a sizeable part of his support that doesn't care whether he lies or not or even thinks they're stupid, so long as he furthers their goals.

They can be and are capable of feeding themselves. I don't think they are other nations that come close in terms of technologically advancement and yet still manage to feed themselves etc.

Difficult to feed yourselves if the oil/fuel required to run the agricultural plant is part of the imports listed in the big info-graphic. Perhaps someone is secretly breeding heavy horses to pull ploughs when the tractors don't start?

I don't think (how true) they are other nations that come close in terms of technologically advancement

Strange how, for such a "technologically advancement" nation, they import so much of it...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jared-kushner-donald-trump-lied-base-stupid-voters-supporters-president-son-in-law-white-house-a7764791.html

That story appears to be the journalistic equivalent of looking at this thread and building an article out of something that Jamba says a mate recalls being told by someone important.

martinhutch has beaten me to it, the Indy used to be a good paper, since going largely on line, it's seemed to have dissolved into the Mail but with slightly longer words.

Some writers that are worth paying attention to : Robert Fisk to name one, but it's a sad version of what it used to be.

Sad, as the Comb-Over would probably say

Robert Fisk to name one

I used to love reading his stuff but there was a run of articles in the mid-2000s that were so biased in tone and so lacking in any grounding in reality that I just stopped reading them. He reverted to normal and reasonable?

[quote=piemonster ]I think there's a sizeable part of his support that doesn't care whether he lies or not or even thinks they're stupid, so long as he furthers their goals.

yes the bright ones doing the lies

The problem is - like Brexit- the electorate often want things that are not possible

Low taxes and great public services

No Eu interference but free trade etc
IF people tell them these things are achievable then the less able in our society will think it is and vote for the impossible

but there was a run of articles in the mid-2000s that were so biased in tone and so lacking in any grounding in reality that I just stopped reading them.

Really, I always thought he's pretty straightforward. I don't recall a lurch into the realms of fantasy.

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All I can say is GOOOOO CHINA & INDIAAAAAA!

If those two lead the charge on renewables,

China? 4% electricity from wind. I think the UK is about 11%?

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1102949362881&ca=abd10509-6e50-4878-b535-ad421d0819fe

Meanwhile China carries on building new coal power stations. Dec 2016 was a 7% year on year increase in coal power.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/05/03/chinas-production-of-electricity-from-coal-surges-to-record-levels/

[url= http://www.climateactionprogramme.org/news/chinas-wind-capacity-up-13-in-first-quarter-of-2017 ]http://www.climateactionprogramme.org/news/chinas-wind-capacity-up-13-in-first-quarter-of-2017[/url]

[url= http://www.climateactionprogramme.org/news/chinas-solar-output-up-80-in-first-quarter-of-2017 ]http://www.climateactionprogramme.org/news/chinas-solar-output-up-80-in-first-quarter-of-2017[/url]

Also while China leads the world in emissions, its largely due to their size, 1.3 billion population v the US with just 325 million, so their per capita emissions are much lower than the US, obviously their overall emissions are still a problem...

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What does normal look like these days?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/upshot/how-abnormal-was-comeys-firing-experts-weigh-in.html

well pic link didn't work...

The problem with the Chinese is their willingness to build large-scale, high profile, renewable energy projects at the expense of the environment on a local level i.e. the Yangtze dam. At the same time, they turn a blind eye to industrial pollution and think it's reasonable to cut and fill whole hills and valleys and wonder why people die when everything collapses on the made-up ground upon which it is built.

However, we are going to have to ignore all this as we are going to have to go cap-in-hand after Brexit.

Having said that, I am heartened by the, almost (I'm looking at you May), universal condemnation that this move by Chump has garnered.

Dec 2016

Any major announcements from China about new coal plants in Jan 2017?

However, we are going to have to ignore all this as we are going to have to go cap-in-hand after Brexit.

To be fair, we have been happily ignoring this for quite some time. Not a great deal of choice.