[Closed] Dog walkers rights - anyone know about them?

its his land, his boundries, he has the right to block any one with good reason

what about the right to roam rules?

The local authority have told him recently that he has to provide access for dogs over his cattle grid.

Absolutely NO offence meant but why though? What next a farmer should provide access for wheelchairs?

If TJ's around I'm sure he'll be along, but in his absence, I'm pretty sure that even in Ingerland, land owners have a duty to keep rights of way passable. Not sure if this extends to dogs or not - probably not.

Oh lordy...

its his land, his boundries, he has the right to block any one with good reason

Not a public right of way he hasn't

Tea anyone?

Hora
The cattle grid is into my in laws garden (not a farm) and they asked the same 'why'? There is a path apparently through his garden and he has been made to put in a style over his garden wall and has now been told to allow dog acces over or around the cattle grid at his own cost!!

Has to give access to public rights of way for people, but no rights of access at all for dogs. Unless you can appeal to his good nature, you're out of luck.

and has now been told to allow dog acces over or around the cattle grid at his own cost!!

And you feel this is reasonable?

grum, unreasonable or not he has been told to do it. The point I was making was that if my father in law has to provide access for dogs through his own private garden then surely a landowner has to do the same to open moorland?

I'm all for access to footpaths but I've never heard of any right of way for dogs. There are loads of places where the only option is to carry a dog over a ladder stile or otherwise turn around.

I fitted carrying handles to my dogs, although I think they're sometimes called collars.

How about suggesting to the farmer that you'll pay for a 'stile' with dog access?

a stile and a cattlegrid are very different prospects to a dog.

whats wrong with your boxer if she cant clear a stile? Old, overweight or just 'refuses'

if its a public right of way then in law a dog is natural accompniment to a walker so they cannot refuse access to a dog provided it is on a lead and/or under control

speak to your local authority right of way officer

if its a public right of way then in law a dog is natural accompniment to a walker so they cannot refuse access

Hang on, he's not refusing access is he? Just not providing special facilities for ones that are too lazy to jump over a wall?

Why notm just walk round the field without your dog, and let the dog crap in your garden, that would be easier.

Right of way for dogs.

FFS

Maybe he has forgotten to do what he said he was going to do and will get round to it. Being in the farming end of my business I know farmers are very busy

Hang on, he's not refusing access is he? Just not providing special facilities for ones that are too lazy to jump over a wall?

Some dogs cant just vault over walls, mine for example is anything but lazy but has £2k worth of titanium supporting her cruciate ligament after once fallng down from a style
Once she was a great dog, has been everywhere with us, up Snowdon, all over the lakes (including a 15 mile hike when we didnt realise her cruciate was gone)and Scotland etc, now we have to be really careful and limit her to about 3 hours gentle exercise max.
All because of a dodgy style that even humans would have struggled to get over that hadnt seen any maintenance for tens of years

Having said that Im not aware of any legislation that access has to be provided for dogs, in fact I would imagine quite the opposite

Im now quite used to lifting my 28kg Lab over styles or rooting around field boudaries for holes in fences and hedges to get her through. Its never really been too much of a problem (so long as you dont mind nearly putting your back out lifting up a wriggling, wet, dirty cow shit riden dog

I saw the work on the stannah stairlift for elderly cats and dogs was well under way on Snowdon last weekend.

/edit: apologies to the previous post, it wasn't aimed at you, just unfortunate timing!

OP- no offence. This is a troll?

I have a Boxer too and she has always struggled with styles, so if we are confronted by one we turn around.

I would say offer to pay for a dog friendly one or forget about it. I can see why some farmers might not want dogs on their land

Yup grow some muscles and lift the dog over, teach it jump where it's safe or find a hole in a hedge or a fence.

FFS!

I don't think you get any additional rights as a dog walker and I don't think ( but don't know for sure) that the landowner needs to make any specific provision for dogs.

2Ks worth of titanium hey............need new ti axles in my pedals... could I maybe...?
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hmmm... distasteful.. I won't post this..

I spoke to the farmer - who we do get on with and he said he would look at it this afternoon. went back up tonight and it's just the same.

OMFG!! SHOCKING! You asked someone to look into something ON A SUNDAY and it wasn't dealt with to your satisfaction THAT DAY?!? 🙄 Complain to the NFU!

Man up, grow a pair and lift your dog over.

yunki

It was exactly my justificatio for buying a Ti hardtail - "well the dog has some, so I need some"

It worked 😉

Shit wish I'd though of thay Iain, my old Lab hard a Ti leg.

Man up, grow a pair and lift your dog over.

LOL at the predictable responses on this thread.

I spoke to the farmer - who we do get on with and he said he would look at it this afternoon. went back up tonight and it's just the same.

I'm surprised the farmer entertained you. At least give him a chance to see if he wasn't fobbing you off.

The OP didn't make it very clear whether or not the land they refer to is a public footpath or open access land or both. But either way, although dogs are not specifically mentioned in the Acts of Parliament, it is generally considered that they are 'usual accompaniments' to walkers and are therefore 'permissible' on footpaths, other Rights of Way and open access land, provided they are 'under control' and in the case of Rights of Way do not deviate from them. However, as far as I am aware the farmer is under no 'obligation' to provide access for dogs, prams etc, only for pedestrians. (There are of course a few exceptions when dogs can be abnned from farm land, for example for up to six weeks when lambing).

As already mentioned, if you only talked to the farmer about this at the weekend, don't expect anything to change in the next week or so. Be reasonable! And as b r said, why not offer to pay for the means of access if you are the one who needs it? I would comment, at least you talked to the farmer first; don't get the Access Officer at your Council involved unless you really feel you have to.

If the route is a footpath or indeed open access land, do you keep to your side of the agreement with regard to keeping your dog on a lease (Right of Way i.e. they should be kept within 1m of the line of a footpath or 2m from a bridleway or byeway) or within your control (open access)? Do you clean up after your dog (legal requirement on some footpaths and considered good practise and polite)?

In the case of your in-laws, I would question the Access Officer's reasoning behind the request for alternative access to the cattle grid... Is it for disability (i.e. guide or hearing dogs), prams, wheelchairs or some other reason? I would say it seems a bit odd, unless there is proof of frequent use by a person with a guide dog or similar. But if they don't like the route of the access, they can ask for the line to moved away from their main drive / away from their house, particularly if they can show it is intrusive, people don't keep to the line of the footpath, don't clear up mess after their dogs etc. Their solicitor should have made them aware of the presence of the FP and their legal obligation to maintain it and its access at their own cost when they bought the property.

Jesus Christ. What farmers/small holders must have to jump through even before they start on the EU Directives on livestock, numbers etc etc.

dodgy style? I should be so lucky.

i have 2 dogs - they weigh 45kg each and no they are not overweight

anyone fancy a go at lifting them over a high fence/wall.. i am talking 3.5ft or higher..

I know they can get over 3.4ft cos thats how high the fence at home is which they have occasionally been know to vault.

Maybe the Farmers should open up their homes and provide toilet facilities? After all, where should one go when out and about walking?

if the dog is to heavy and wont climb the fence then maybe that way is not for you?

anyone fancy a go at lifting them over a high fence/wall.. i am talking 3.5ft or higher..

No thanks.

anyone fancy a go at lifting them over a high fence/wall.. i am talking 3.5ft or higher..

7 stonne or so? No but if they can't jump it then you can't expect the land owner to make it friendly for you get through with dogs.

what crack on the health front grum?

World gone mad. Rights of way for dogs. If your dog can't get over/through something that most humans can- stop walking that way or get another dog.

Mate of mine has a giant schnauser. He gave himself a hernia hoisting it over a fence not so long back. Manual Canine Elevation, just say no!

what crack on the health front grum?

Getting better very very slowly - pretty much sums it up I think. Thanks for asking 🙂

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FFS!
I keep and race Alaskan Malamutes, 8 stone of furry wolf dog when fully grown.

I did 15 miles last week over countless stiles and my dog has just learnt to either crawl under, leap over, crawl round and under the nearby fence or on one occasion carefully place paw in front of paw and climb over after me over the top.

I've read some winging post in my time but this really takes the huntly and palmers.
" my dog can't get over a style so I want the world changed to suit me".

Crikey what's next, I couldn't take my bear into Boots to get my prescription? 😡

Aaah, but is it a guide bear?

Should have got a springer ,,,,, nothing will keep those little ****ers out 😆

Thanks for the entetainment everyone. The farmer has now sorted the little problem - thought he would as he is a nice chap. 😀

Practical Matt - you really need to calm down pal!! Or get a less stressful job. 😉

We rode past a cottage yesterday with a collar and I think what look like a Tibetan Mountain Dog, the ran along the fence line playfully barking at us. Then they reached another fence maybe 3.5 high, I swear the mountain dog just stepped over it like a kerb. They weren't in full sprint just barely into a run and the dog just went over it like it wasn't there.

I hope next time Will he does it the same day that was terrible making you wait.

All the farmers have to do is buy a few of these.
Problem solved 🙂
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fourcrossjohn - Member
its his land, his boundries, he has the right to block any one with good reason

I'll have you know, my dog got very stressed because of this thread

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I thought that dogs were only 'usual accompaniments' to walkers if you are a Korean Cannibal

Surely the dog can jump over himself? If not what are you feeding him? If a clumsy human can get over a dog should be able to.

"Cracking Thread, Grommet!"

Right of Way for dogs FFS.

Dog owners rights?

Yeah you have the right to remain silent and pcik up the poop and take it home.

What size dog.

If I provide big enough access for a spaniel, will I get sued by Vizula owners for being sizist. Will disabled dogs sue if I don't provide canine wheelchair access.

I think I can work through this, but there's no way the EU are making me let gay dogs mince through my fields. There'll be a sign on every dog entrance saying "No Woofters"

@gwaelod

LOL Early contender for post of the week!

[i]pcik up the poop and take it home.[/i]

Take it home? And do what with it? Make cakes? I actively take my dogs sh1t from my home to somewhere else, so taking it home would be pretty stupid.