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...or, "what is that strange viscous liquid some one has decorated that tree with." depending on what you ate the night before.
I do know other people who have gun dogs that are absolutely fine with sheep and other livestock
Yep my dog is super with all livestock, kids, cats etc. Soft as warm butter but if he's in a park with other people or children or in a field with livestock then he's on a lead even though I know he'll do no harm.
That way nobody is worried.
As for a trail hound, he'd be rubbish and just run in front of the front wheel all the time.
never ever put my dog on a lead except at festivals or large crowds - she hateed them all she ever did was run around me tripping me up to show her displeasure. It is about your dog being under control and having some trust in your dog. She would never have done anything ever and did always return [ well after she was trained onbviously] On a lead everywhere is not necessary unless your dog routinely ignores you and wanders off to other people /dogs /things IMHO
Whether you want to do it routinely or not, your dog should always be trained to walk on a lead. If it can't, then that's the fault of the owner. It doesn't take much to do it. A few days as a puppy, a bit longer if it's an older rescue dog.
I think you are all missing the point.
Aliens killed the sheep.
The sheep ain't so innocent.
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your dog should always be trained to walk on a lead
Why ?
my dog walked right next to me at heel anyway and just followed me. If I lowered my hand it stopped etc it would Should I just say you need to train your dog to walk to heel off the lead?
Again your dog needs to be under control a lead is not essentiall to achieve this ...unless you cant control your dog off it 😉
I leave poo in coloured plastic bags hanging from trees and bushes, and I don't have a dog.
I've never figured out if the ones hanging off tree branches are deliberate or because they have tried to throw them away!
but they are compostable, which of course makes it alright
Not in plastic Boots bags they aren't. Future archaeologists are going to think we are funny lot.
unless you cant control your dog off it
You can't help yourself sometimes.
Should I just say you need to train your dog to walk to heel off the lead?
You should always say what you mean Junkyard, preferably in the first instance. There are plenty of instances when the reassurance of having the dog on a lead is needed. But you know this anyway.
she hateed them all she ever did was run around me tripping me up to show her displeasure
If the dog was such a paragon of superb behaviour and obedience, it wasn't showing it there was it? Just that you couldn't be arsed teaching it an essential behaviour.
my dog walked right next to me at heel anyway and just followed me. If I lowered my hand it stopped etc it would Should I just say you need to train your dog to walk to heel off the lead?
Again your dog needs to be under control a lead is not essentiall to achieve this
a bet it must be a "trail hound", the dogs with the abilty never to get in the way at trail centres, runs off on open moors etc
what poo sacks do you recommend?
never ever put my dog on a lead except at festivals or large crowds - she hateed them all she ever did was run around me tripping me up to show her displeasure.
I get the feeling the dog has trained the owner 😉
On a lead everywhere is not necessary
Right may go on a mini rant here:
I agree, but if your in a field and there is livestock then no matter how good your dog is it should be on a lead. It’s quite simple.
If there are other people around in close proximity my dog goes on the lead (yes he can walk to heel without a lead) because I don't know how other people feel about dogs. I don't subscribe to the well [i]"if you don't like dogs don't go where they are"[/i] attitude. Having your dog on lead in public places reassures other people.
I hate seeing kids scared of dogs in parks and owners with the classic line "oh don't worry, he's harmless'. Well harmless or not some people are scared of dogs and all owners should be aware and respect that.
It's just the same with livestock, whether the dog is harmless or not. Under control or not it's just not relevant. If it's in a field with livestock then it's on a lead. If you can't cope with this take the dog elsewhere. Just as having your dog on lead in public places reassures other people, having it on the lead where livestock is reassure the farmer and other people and that is why that no matter how well behaved your dog is it’s not relevant.
what poo sacks do you recommend?
It's important to be environmentally friendly, so something like this;
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I hate seeing kids scared of dogs in [s]parks[/s] [b]dog toilets[/b]
fixed it for you
always strikes me as odd how it's acceptable for dog owners toilet their dogs on playing fields and municipal parks
jon1973
do you hang them from tree's?
always strikes me as odd how it's acceptable for dog owners toilet their dogs on playing fields and municipal parks
It's not acceptable, even if you pick it up you should not allow your dog to 'go' anywhere near where children might play but that's another rant for another day!
It's why all Cat owners (house cats excepted) are selfish irresponsible twonks at least with dogs you control where they go.
always strikes me as odd how it's acceptable for dog owners toilet their dogs on playing fields and municipal parks
Who on earth is that acceptable to? Other than the inconsiderate ones, obviously.
Who on earth is that acceptable to? Other than the inconsiderate ones, obviously.
there are inconsiderate dog owners?
the "considerate" ones don't seem too concerned either as they don't do the "considerate" thing and use one of their bags to pick up the mess and instead leave it for others to find
but if your in a field and there is livestock then no matter how good your dog is it should be on a lead. It's quite simple.
I was throwing a ball for my dog in a field of sheep at the weekend. The farmer saw me, he wasn't bothered. The sheep didn't care, half of them didn't even stand up when I was 20 meters away.
So, the farmer didn't mind nor the sheep and the dog was happy. Clearly your rules don't always apply.
It's why all Cat owners (house cats excepted) are selfish irresponsible twonks at least with dogs you control where they go
ahhh cats, the single largest threat to biodiversity in this country (OK may be slightly OTT)
where have all the small birds gone? onto a doormat somewhere....
The farmer saw me, he wasn't bothered.
I suppose if you knew that upfont then common sense applies.
Clearly your rules don't always apply.
Being able to point out an exception does not negate the need for the rule.
You can't help yourself sometimes.
True but i said it as a joke - hence wink. The issue is to control your dog the method is debatable.
There are plenty of instances when the reassurance of having the dog on a lead is needed.
well yes if the dog wont do what you tell it 😉 Suppose it reassures other peole but my dog was at close control you have sen trained dogs walking to heel and following the owners every move at shows havent you?
If the dog was such a paragon of superb behaviour and obedience, it wasn't showing it there was it? Just that you couldn't be arsed teaching it an essential behaviour
What were you saying about not being able to help yourself?
She was on a lead mainly because it was immensley crowded - festival for example and she did not like big crowds so the lead signified more than the loss of freedom. yes i could make her do it but she did not like being on a lead was my [ badly expressed] point.
Clearly it is dog and scenario dependant. However the countryside code is to kepe your dog under control at all times not put it on a lead whatever you /others think is right or essential the law does not agree.
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By law, you must control your dog so that it does not disturb or scare farm animals or wildlife. On most areas of open country and common land, known as 'access land' you must keep your dog on a short lead on most areas of open country and common land between 1 March and 31 July, and all year round near farm animals.
You do not have to put your dog on a lead on public paths, as long as it is under close control. But as a general rule, keep your dog on a lead if you cannot rely on its obedience. By law, farmers are entitled to destroy a dog that injures or worries their animals.
Being able to point out an exception does not negate the need for the rule
But thats the point there is no rule saying your dog must be on a lead. The rule is that it must be under control.
phil.w, we got out of sync. See my last post
[url= http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110208/tuk-exclusive-farm-staff-caught-abusing-45dbed5.html ]Quack![/url]
But thats the point there is no rule saying your dog must be on a lead. The rule is that it must be under control.
Yes there is
you must use a fixed lead no more than 2 metres (6 feet) long at all times near livestock
Link here
From the same website, under the Dog Walking section
On Access LandWhile exercising the new access right with a dog, you must use a fixed lead no more than 2 metres (6 feet) long at all times near livestock, and from 1st March to 31st July as this is the ground-nesting bird season. You may also find that dogs are excluded from grouse moors and from lambing enclosures at lambing times.
[url= http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/enjoying/countrysidecode/countrysidedirectory/dogwalking.aspx ]here[/url]
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Stanley. Bedlington and will grow to be the size of a small collie. Like Patterdales / Borders etc looks can be deceiving - they're bred for sending down to foxes / badgers originally and would be perfectly capable of making a mess of a sheep. All he does currently is fart, sleep and eat with some play and occasional walks when he feels like it.
For a pup his training is coming on well but regardless he'll never be allowed off the lead in a field containing livestock or in public where other people are about. In the first instance it's just about respect IMO - about walking lightly and all that - a happy, dopey lab bounding around in a field of sheep can cause pregnant ewes to miscarry very easily - it doesn't have to be physically attacking them. There's also the fact that I rather like him and were he to do the terrier thing and disappear off after a rabbit etc, when the red mist / instinct kicks in, no manner of training is going to bring him to heel - local livestock owners would be well within their rights to shoot him. The onus is on me to ensure that I don't put him (or them) in that situation.
Also - our youngest daughter was bitten by a small terrier when she was about 3 years old and, whilst we've had Stan for a couple of months, she has grown in confidence hugely around dogs but she's still very nervous of other dogs, especially those off the lead. I really don't care how well trained your dog is, it can turn cartwheels on command, it's irrelevant, personally I think that if you're a dog owner you have a responsibility to ensure that it doesn't impact on other peoples enjoyment of public spaces. You want to let him run free around your garden, fine. When I'm toddling along with my girls it's not nice when my daughter clutches my leg in fear because there's a dog coming the other way that's not on a lead. You try explaining to her that it's ok because it'll only do what it's told. You may have full control of your dog at all times. Neither she nor I know that or should have to worry about it.
Stanley has been trained on the lead from about 12 weeks. As far as I'm concerned it's part and parcel of his training in the same way as learning to sit, fetch etc. It's not hard to teach a dog to walk nicely to heel on a lead without pulling all the time...
lol
We're literally on the same page tiger
I have been known to let my hairy lurcher of his lead in a field of cows. Although we do our best to avoid walks where we know there'll be cows, farmers tend to move the cattle from field to field so you can never be sure.
Cows can, and will attack and trample dogs, especially if they have calves - we've been charged several times by whole herds of the bloody things. The easiest and safest thing to do is to slip his lead and let him jump over the stile out of the field. As I said on page two though, sheep are another matter and he's always on his lead if there are likely to be sheep in the vicinity....
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What that Woffle chap said.
However if anybody tries to touch my new bike in the office he'll bite their arms off and hit them about the head with the soggy end 🙂
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from your own source Tiger
being at large (that is to say not on a lead or otherwise under close control) in a field or enclosure in which there are sheep
so you choose to ignore this bit... on a lead [b]or[/b] otherwise under close control
so you choose to ignore this bit... on a lead or otherwise under close control
Nope, you said
I was throwing a ball for my dog in a field of sheep at the weekend. The farmer saw me, he wasn't bothered. The sheep didn't care, half of them didn't even stand up when I was 20 meters away.
That doesn't sound like [b]close[/b] control unless you can only throw a ball 2 feet or so. 🙂
Further than two feet and I risk having to fetch it myself.
no phil.w, you have taken something out of context for your argument. All that quote is doing is clarifying under what circumstances a dog is said to be "worrying livestock". Tiger's second link is nothing to do with whether a dog - under law - should be on a lead. It is merely the act that allows for punishment of a dog owner who has not kept his/her dog under control.
I'm sure someone with more patience than me will be along to find the actual legislative document that deals with the laws on leads...
Stanley looks very cool. I fancy getting a Bedlington if we decide on having a second dog, or a lurcher maybe.
I like Stanley, he looks a bit like a baby womble.
This topic just isn't the same without you know who.
My wife thinks he looks like Sprocket, the dog from Fraggle Rock. Mind you, she's head-over-heels with him - she thought she'd never be able to have a dog due to that fact she's allergic to dogs...
you have taken something out of context for your argument
my only argument is people quoting things as the law that aren't. that natural england quote
is bollox.While exercising the new access right with a dog, you must use a fixed lead no more than 2 metres (6 feet) long at all times near livestock
the law is that you must have your dog under close control near livestock. this is regarded as 2 meters and 4 for working dogs.
i would agree that generally the dogs should be on leads around livestock. yet your assertion that this is the law is wrong.
there is though a law that your dog must be on a lead on a public highway.
Forgive me for believing a public funded body's website rather than someone I have never met before on an internet forum. I will know better next time.
the law is that you must have your dog under close control near livestock. this is regarded as 2 meters and 4 for working dogs.
Source?
And regarded by whom?