[Closed] Dog Attack on Sheep 🙁 **Warning Not Pretty Pix **

I just think that if you really want to keep your dog alive, just keep it on a bloody lead around farm animals. You might have your "recall" down to a tee but dem dogs are unpredictable the second there's a chase on.

(most) Farmers don't saddle themselves with the same sentimentality about animals that most of the rest us have. The wrongs and rights of that lack of sentiment belong in a different debate. If they see your dog chasing their stock, then they'll take action - yeah, it might be horrible, but all the debate will mean nothing when you're carrying the dog away in a bag, looking wistfully at the lead in your hand.

I hate it when dog owners let their pets run around and jump up on my kids with the tedious mantra "it's OK, they won't bite". That's not the point, is it? Your pets are causing distress and you apparently don't give a damn.

Our Molly goes nuts when she sees a kid - just wants to say hello all the time but she's just a four month old ultra-cutey BT at the moment - so everyone loves her and wants to say hello. Thankfully the nipping is gone now, it's just lick, lick, lick 🙂 So we're stuck trying to discourage "jumping up" for the reasons above - i.e. one day, she'd end up doing it to someone who really doesn't want it, but Even other dog owners say "Oh it's ok, I don't mind" when we say to them not to greet her until she has four feet on the ground FFS. A week of training gets undone in one afternoon in the park.

A dog that can attack sheep can do the same to another dog or human (smell of blood).

Sensational but if its attacked (savaged basically) a live animal then it needs putting down pdq.

I'd do the same if it was my own pet. I wouldn't want the dog in the same house as my family or someone elses pet. Thankfully he sees sheep as curiosities and has sat with cows before (and bloody wouldn't comeback).

What gives? Are people idiots?!

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No[s]t[/s] it's not

It WAS a sheep

[i]A dog that can attack sheep can do the same to another dog or human.[/i]

Sounds like you are?

No thats sex with a sheep DezB.

I retract nothing. There was no hyperbole involved at all. But I'll explain my position a little more.

For the record, my dogs are exceptionally well-controlled, and wouldn't be near sheep just in case some shepherd or farmer decided to shoot because we were close to their boundary. So the incident wouldn't happen. But in the unlikely event that a farmer decided to be judge, jury, and (literally) executioner (perhaps we'd strayed onto their land by mistake), I'd not be happy.

Unless there was a dead lamb in front of me, I'd not just say "Oh, I s'pose you must be right", and accept it. Anyone looking to rub salt into the wounds by waving a laminated copy of a law at me really would have to look to their own safety.

As to stilltortoise, explain to me where all these people with guns are coming from? Let the police deal with it, rather than someone who's emotionally involved.

[i]No thats sex with a sheep DezB.[/i]

Don't fancy yours much. I prefer mine with a bottom jaw. (and a bottom for that matter)

The point is that if your dog was on a lead the farmer wouldn't be offloading his shotgun. The second point is that if the farmer did kill your dog and you pursued it through the courts the farmer apparently (I personally know nothing of the law here) has the law on his side. The third point is that of course you wouldn't be happy and I wouldn't expect you to "just accept it". Your implication that the farmer should be prepared to use his gun on you strikes me as an extreme statement. It's because of reactions like this that the farmer has to carry around his laminate of the law in the first place. I'm sure he has other things that need doing instead of waving the rules of the countryside in front of every dog owners face who thinks they know best.

Let the police deal with it, rather than someone who's emotionally involved

Take your own advice on board and then re-read your post. Who's to say a farmer won't start waving a gun at you because he is genuinely scared of your aggression. It's a whole different ball game when guns start being waved around at humans.

Let the police deal with it

To which the police up here would reply; "Why didn't you just shoot it?".

I dogshooter. I shoot dogs.

I sheepshooter. I shoot sheep.

It WAS a sheep

Oh!! ok, up till then I thought it was some sort of Tampax viral ad

Farmed-sheep like that (for wool etc)- as a 'townie'. Would it be ok to take that for meat? I mean if its a fresh enough kill?

Or are those sheep riddled with chemicals or intestinal worms etc?

For the record, my dogs are exceptionally well-controlled,

they always are aren't they, 100% of the time, never strayed, never failed to return on the first word of command etc etc

Unless there was a dead lamb in front of me, I'd not just say "Oh, I s'pose you must be right", and accept it.

so your dog can chase them around a field all day, but unless the farmer can show immediate material loss aka dead lamb your dog is innocent?

explain to me where all these people with guns are coming from?

Anyone looking to rub salt into the wounds by waving a laminated copy of a law at me really would have to look to their own safety.

anger management classes are available, go and talk to your GP

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Would it be ok to take that for meat? I mean if its a fresh enough kill?

Nope still full of Ceasium137 from Chernobyl

Farmed-sheep like that (for wool etc)- as a 'townie'. Would it be ok to take that for meat? I mean if its a fresh enough kill?

If it was fresh and properly butchered it wouldn't do you any harm eating it. It would just be very tough.

I dogownershooter. I shoot dog owner.

I know I was thinking mutton curry.

I ladyshooter. I shoot ladies.

AK47-style 8)

Farmed-sheep like that (for wool etc)- as a 'townie'. Would it be ok to take that for meat? I mean if its a fresh enough kill?

I was thinking mutton curry

you think the lamb you get at the curryhouse is lamb not slightly older??

 

you think the lamb you get at the curryhouse is lamb[s] not slightly older[/s]??

so your dog can chase them around a field all day, but unless the farmer can show immediate material loss aka dead lamb your dog is innocent?

Well I wonder how many Halal butchers acquire their stock plucked fresh from the fields.

I mean cattle-rustling does go on doesn't it?

So I guess its safe to assume some restuarants will be selling 'Lamb' Curry which really is nicked-mutton.

And yes I do doubt that any Lamb curry really is Lamb all of the time given its cost!

you mean like say a sheepdog does ?

That’s not the same thing at all, that's what sheep dogs are trained for and they belong to the farmer. To compare that to some random untrained dog who is worrying sheep is frankly ridiculous.

[i] nip even[/i]

Maybe that sheep just had a nasty nip on the face?

you mean like say a sheepdog does ?
MOst sheepdogs I ahve seen will have a go at the sheep if they wont budge runn at them snarl nip even

mentioned on page 2? where someone comments about working dogs from one farm worrying sheep on another

and obviously working dogs under control of the shepherd/ farm hand who has permission to use the dog is different to your average dog owner who goes for a wander and lets their dog off the lead

My dog measures nearly a whole 13 inches tall (just ckecked)! and I wouldn't trust her with sheep. She's a Patterdale Terrior - a breed meant to chase a fox for hour after hour, then sit at bay down it's hole with it to try and drive it out, or eventually rip out it's throat. This means that she is very, very quick, has stamina, a certain amount of aggression and likes to chase things [i]that run[/i].
Because of that instinct to chase she is more than capable of causing a sheep to abort even if she were to come back pretty quickly when told. She also, I reckon, could have the throat of a sheep out without too much hassle - she's never going to be able to remove it's jaw, but she could kill.
I just can't understand other dog owners who genuinley beleive that there dog would never hurt anything. They all have some purpose to their breeding, maybe way back, maybe they've never been working dogs, or their parents, but that instinct is still there. Fortunately my little dog has never shown the slightest interest in sheep since she was very young when she learnt a bit of a lesson, but that is enough for me to make sure that if there is stock around (or I think that there is a chance we might meet some round the next corner) then she is on a lead. I'll just have to walk further before she can get a run.
I don't want to have to go home and explain to my wife that [i]my[/i] lack of responsibility has led to the death of my dog for worrying.

MOst sheepdogs I ahve seen will have a go at the sheep if they wont budge runn at them snarl nip even

Most farmers will put them down if they think they are a genuine threat to their herd. No difference. However a farmer knows his sheepdog better than your dog. More to the point, the sheep will know the sheepdog

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/8682954.stm

...then she is on a lead. I'll just have to walk further before she can get a run.

Yep. Can't quite understand what anybody's problem is with behaving like this.

[i]She's a Patterdale Terrior - a breed meant to chase a fox for hour after hour, then sit at bay down it's hole with it to try and drive it out, or eventually rip out it's throat[/i]

GRRR!
Cool, I want one.

Last winter (09/10) I was driving over the tops towards the back of Hebden and theres a farm with two rabid Collies permanently tied up at the side of the road/next to the farm house.

To the right of them was a pile of Lambs bodies- I reckon over half a dozen all shredded/dripping in blood.

The nearest houses were 1/2mile away (funnily enough a big STW livered van outside the nearest ones).

Either someone lets their dog out at night or someone from STW mag roams the fields after drinking too many ales?

I saw a dead sheep at the side of the trail yesterday (near the waterfall in Green Cleugh in the Pentlands). Didn't think of it at the time but I suppose that was likely to have been done by a dog as well

There was a similar series of pics of a pregnant ewe that had had its face ripped off by a dog on fenceposts in the pentlands a couple of years ago. Along with leaving dog mess in bags at the side of the path this is one aspect of dog owners that makes my blood boil. When I have shouted at people for having their dogs off the leash chasing sheep they have at least waddled off after their dogs with the lead so far.

we get gryphon (sp?) vultures here that don't necessarily wait for the sheep to be carrion before eating it. not long back i found remains of a couple of sheep spread out over the trail (no way a dog could've got them over the fence from their field) and it looked like a bomb had gone off.

at least it's relatively natural... far worse goes on in the abattoir.

Along with leaving dog mess in bags at the side of the path this is one aspect of dog owners that makes my blood boil.

but they are compostable, which of course makes it alright

Dogs are hunters, it's hardwired by millions of years of evolution.

It's pretty simple really, if there is livestock keep your dog on a lead. No if's, no buts, no yeah but my dog is well trained.

[b]1 very simple rule:

If your Dog is a field with livestock and it's not your livestock it should be on a lead.[/b]

Then there would be no need for hypothetical situations as there would never be a problem.

She's a Patterdale Terrior - a breed meant to chase a fox for hour after hour, then sit at bay down it's hole with it to try and drive it out, or eventually rip out it's throat

GRRR!
Cool, I want one

But most of the time she sits there looking impossibly cute, and smelling a bit funny.

Edit - I guess what I mean is that somewhere deep, deep inside her tiny little mind, that instinct is sat there wiating to drive her forwards one day. Not at all meant in "look at my little aggro dog" kind of way.

If your Dog is a field with livestock and it's not your livestock it should be on a lead.

Personally I agree, I never let my dog off the lead when there are livestock around but I do know other people who have gun dogs that are absolutely fine with sheep and other livestock and have been for years.

Patterdale Terri[s]o[/s]er

Fancied one of those too, but went for a Border in the end. Both fantastic breeds though. And Jeebus, they just go ALL day if you want them to.

[i]Along with leaving dog mess in bags at the side of the path this is one aspect of dog owners that makes my blood boil.[/i]

Yep, we ALL do that too. Pretty innit

It's pretty simple really, if there is livestock keep your dog on a lead. No if's, no buts, no yeah but my dog is well trained.

1 very simple rule:

If your Dog is a field with livestock and it's not your livestock it should be on a lead.

unless of course it's a "trail hound", those faithful dogs that go out with mtber's that never stray

Pretty innit

Like all year round Christmas decorations.

Yep, we ALL do that too. Pretty innit

I leave poo in coloured plastic bags hanging from trees and bushes, and I don't have a dog.

If I did that people would say 'oh someone is hanging carrier-bags full of human body parts from trees'