[Closed] does anyone not give a monkey's arse?

shake it all about.

Do the Hokey Cokey ?

Even if you think it'll not impact you, you have kids. Do you not think it's part of your responsibility as a parent to find out what's likely to be best for them and vote accordingly?

Edit: [i]That's [/i]what it's all about.

I do give a monkeys, but im tired with all the insults and bollocks being spouted..

monkey's arse

Are we talking about that pic of Gove again?

I do give a monkeys, but im tired with all the insults and bollocks being spouted..

Yep, it's easily as important as general elections as the result will last a longer time.

I very much give a monkey's arse. Like others I'm fed up of the crap being spouted and it makes me despair of politics. Whatever the outcome it will be hugely disruptive for the UK and I hope my unfounded fears are just that.

No, me neither. Not when they seem to be playing their matches late in the evening when it's not a good time to go for a bike ride on nice empty roads.

Sadly not, it's bothering me - more because of the way the battle lines have been drawn it's a fight between right and left, liberal v reactionary more than Pro EU v Anti EU and whatever side wins, it's going to be a pretty decent yard stick of the 'state of the nation'.

The far right and extreme far right have been on the march in the UK for years now, the sorts of thing that UKIP put out now that merely raises an eyebrow (nazi esq posters protraying refugees as EU citizens coming here to take our houses/jobs/women) would have been shouted about if the BNP put it out 15 years ago and futher to the right we've got Britian First clambering for mainstream recognition whilst their members hold training camps in Wales and of course what happened last week by someone who may or may not have been a member, but certainly is a follower of theirs.

I worry more about a Leave vote because of the retoric the leave camp are using to justify it, more than leaving the EU per-se. It weighs heavy on me.

[i]Do you not think it's part of your responsibility as a parent to find out what's likely to be best for them and vote accordingly?[/i]

Got a link to those facts? I might be interested if I could find anything but speculation and bullshit.

OP (and those not giving a monkeys); maybe the whole Referendum thing is simply a little too intellectually challenging for you to engage with?

I do give a monkeys, but im tired with all the insults and bollocks being spouted.

+2

Based on observations from a distance it seems that we are now in an era of negative campaigning where this referendum has gone from a simple 'do you want to be in or out of the EU to a 'if you vote so and so your a racist/an idiot/ etc'.

People like Trump don't exist in a vacuum, they need a system in place to enable them and the politics of hate, almost like the Cultural revolution, enables this.

I think the various threads show we care very much

Yes I g.a.m.a.

General elections are just a oxbridge PPE toff donkey race & "No matter who you vote for the government always gets in"

With everyone still shocked by the death of Jo Cox, its perhaps a little unfair to forget Alice Gross.

This a once in a life time opportunity to send a message

Interesting that you mention Trump. The division of the UK as a result of the referendum and the rise of Trump both make me fear for the future. I'm not confident about this unknown era it looks like we're entering.

OP (and those not giving a monkeys); maybe the whole Referendum thing is simply a little too intellectually challenging for you to engage with?

clodhopper - get of your high horse you areshole.

It seems it's too challenging for politicians to properly engage with, which is why they just sling insult after insult at each other whilst not actually giving a shit what the general public think.

Politics in this country is ****ing shambles and politicians should be ashamed of themselves. They're not though because they don't give a shit about anybody who will actually be affect by their bullshit!

Even if you think it'll not impact you, you have kids. Do you not think it's part of your responsibility as a parent to find out what's likely to be best for them and vote accordingly?

Edit: That's what it's all about.

Nicely done.

khani - Member

I do give a monkeys, but im tired with all the insults and bollocks being spouted..

this one's well civilised compared to the indy ref

Can we just not give jamba's arse to the monkeys and be done with it?

samunkim -
With everyone still shocked by the death of Jo Cox, its perhaps a little unfair to forget Alice Gross.

This a once in a life time opportunity to send a message

Are you seriously trying use 1 murder to make a judgement of EU membership? I'm pretty sure that there will have been more crimes committed by British people than by immigrants, probably as a percentage too.

Does 1 British loner trying to take out Trump mean that the US should quash all trade deals, political deals and ban Brits from the US?

Who is Alice Gross?

"It seems it's too challenging for politicians to properly engage with, which is why they just sling insult after insult at each other whilst not actually giving a shit what the general public think.

Politics in this country is **** shambles and politicians should be ashamed of themselves. They're not though because they don't give a shit about anybody who will actually be affect by their bullshit!"

This x10. I do GAMA and in this time of fear mongering and division think it would be best to be in the EU if only to stand for something rather than against it, and in time find a way to make it work for the better.
but I am loathe to think that the Remain campaign will take my vote as somehow accredited to them and their hard work in spreading the poop just as thick as the leave campaign.

Sadly a very important vote has been wrecked by politicians doing what they do best.

Whatever the result, we will still have idiots as politicians and idiots in Brussels, none of them democratic / honest or open.

I've also failed to find unbiased factual opinion. Leaving or staying in will still be controlled / negotiated by political idiots.

So it seems like whatever choice I make it will be one devoid of proper facts - that pretty much makes it a bad choice.

Very much care, very much looking forward to the vote coming and for all the bull**** to be over and done with.

Got a link to those facts? I might be interested if I could find anything but speculation and bullshit.

How can there be facts, nobody knows exactly what will happen in the future; you can make an informed opinion based on historical evidence and trends, however that's not a fact.

You can't guarantee the sun is going to come up tomorrow, its very very likely but its not a fact; just like you don't *know* the pound will lose value against the $ or Euro, its very likely but anyone saying it *will* is a liar.

The world isn't black and white (even though UKIP would like it to be in every sense)

whatever happens, Britain's soul is a little grubbier than it was before

Britain's soul is a little grubbier than it was before

Well said

I dont give a monkeys posterior but i have found it quite amusing that the local school is being closed on thurs and fri for voting yet if you take your child away on holiday on a school day you get fined! Does this mean i can fine them for holding voting on a school day? F####ing ridiculous

[i]How can there be facts, nobody knows exactly what will happen in the future[/i]

Pretty much my point about what was said to Ton. How, as a parent can you know who to vote for based on what might, or might not change. I've read some stuff, but I'm not clever enough to work out what will be best for my son.

I dont give a monkeys posterior but i have found it quite amusing that the local school is being closed on thurs and fri for voting yet if you take your child away on holiday on a school day you get fined! Does this mean i can fine them for holding voting on a school day? F####ing ridiculous

You forgot to blame it on the EU... or migrants... or both!

I'm not clever enough to work out what will be best for my son.

If Brexit win, it will be a win for right wing intolerance where its OK to blame brown people or johhny foreigner for the countries woes rather than taking responsibility for our own actions.

Here's some facts, or at least some undermining of speculation and bullshit.

Yep, it's easily as important as general elections

the result will last a longer time.

I give a monkey's but like others am tired of the name calling and negativity, man.

For what it's worth, I'm in.

[i]Here's some facts, or at least some undermining of speculation and bullshit.[/i]
Well, it's pretty obvious that the speculation and bullshit doesn't come from that side of the argument. So I guess I've been correct in thinking speculation and bullshit is all the other side have...

I'll vote in, no-one has done anything to change my mind and I don' think we should even have had the referendum in the first place.

I don't give a monkey's arse but I'm voting in, since there's a very real chance that opting out would have a very real, very practical and potentially negative effect on me and my extended family who live on the Irish/N.Irish border.

I care, but having been out of the UK for >15 years I don't have a vote 🙁

Still, with a Spanish wife and Italian brother-in-law it's pretty obvious I come from a pro-EU family, and most of them do have a vote 🙂

I don' think we should even have had the referendum in the first place.

This is the biggest indictment of Cameron - just emerging from a global recession, he throws this as a bone to half his party and UKIP for political gain, risking a fragile economy because he was certain he could win at a stroll.

As it is, win or lose, he'll be gone well inside his timetable, and his party and government fractured and limping on for the foreseeable.

0 Donald thanks for the video best thing I have seen on this issue.

Doesnt matter how you feel about the campaigning you should still vote how you feel. (especially if it's remain)

like the footy betting adverts, make it more exciting,

£100 on out = £400
£100 on in = £125

i've personally got a 44% return on my bet, so will be extremely happy or mad come friday

i think this is probably the most significant voting decision i will make in my lifetime and am seriously worried if it ends up with OUT winning. will be there first thing with ballot paper in hand but haven’t always bothered to vote in local/eu/national/mayoral elections as I’m in a safe seat.

£100 on out = £400
£100 on in = £125

+1 for Donald and his link to the video - I watched this the other day and it was the most refreshing, fact-laden thing I have seen/read or heard from either side. Anyone needing 'facts' - do yourselves a favour and watch it, all of it!

Yes, because I do not like EU bureaucrats.

chewkw - Member
Yes, because I do not like EU bureaucrats.

Because you love Whitehall ones?

Not sure how it makes any difference where the bureaucrat is from, the merely propose the laws. To be ratified the law needs to pass through European Parliament, Council of Ministers, House of Commons and House of Lords.

Given that only 25% of those are unelected I think it's not really worse than the UK legislative process which is Civil Service, Commons, Lords....

I'm a member of the green party, that nice lady Caroline sent me an email saying vote to stay in.
That's it job done.

You don't have dog and bark yourself.

willrab - Member

chewkw - Member
Yes, because I do not like EU bureaucrats.

Because you love Whitehall ones?

richc - Member
Got a link to those facts? I might be interested if I could find anything but speculation and bullshit.
How can there be facts, nobody knows exactly what will happen in the future; you can make an informed opinion based on historical evidence and trends, however that's not a fact.

You can't guarantee the sun is going to come up tomorrow, its very very likely but its not a fact; just like you don't *know* the pound will lose value against the $ or Euro, its very likely but anyone saying it *will* is a liar.

I give a lot of arse, but I'm not interested in debating it online or preaching to the converted on FB.

Most depressing thing about it all is that it's revealed how ****ing stupid much of our population is.

I do (and I'm very much 'in') - but I don't think alot will change if out is voted in tbh - so I'll definitely not be upset by the result like I was when I found out the Tories had got back in.

@chewk - we have an unelected head of state and an unelected second chamber in parliament yet I never hear people moaning about how undemocratic that is - so all this chat about how undemocratic the EU is is a bit farcical.

Sorry OP for this post in your thread.

I'm waiting for someone to tell me if I give a damn, then the other side to tell me roughly the same thing but with a whiff of racism added

Don't care, can't vote for the party I'm a member of (Green Party) in general or local elections, don't like the EU system (protectionist capitalism) or the systems that seem likely to replace it (protectionist capitalism or free market capitalism).
I'll go and draw another knob on my paper for the 8th time, because I have never yet been represented by any of the systems that are fit to allow me a vote.
Both politicians and the general public have proven that this is a decision best left to people who know what they are talking about. I don't know who that is, but it doesn't appear to be politicians or the general public.
To call someone stupid for making a conscious choice that just happens to be outside of the us and them media bullshit storm is, I think, rather stupid.

Who gives a shit, don't vote, don't care.

0 Donald thanks for the video best thing I have seen on this issue.

I agree entirely,i was a bit undecided which way to vote because of all the bullshit flying about but that video has made my mind up.

I recommend watching it if you've any doubts. Probably the first person I have heard speak on the subject who hasn't made up most of the 'facts'

Classic troll. Post thread that will cause a reaction/argument and then sit back with a hob nob and a cuppa. No doubt he will wade in with something insightful as the thread grows.

Yeah. It's almost as if our democracy is a sham to give the masses the illusion of agency, while those with the real power continue to operate a political/financial system which enables them legally to to skim and sell off anything that is good or decent, turn it into readies, and put it all in a big money cave in a sympathetic jurisdiction whilst laughing their arses off.

Business as usual.

I dont give a monkeys arse about others opinions, or their need to endless bicker & throw insults around to those who have different views to themselves.
Fortunately I dont know anyone like this in real life.

this thread needs a swingometer to gauge the mood of the people

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Classic troll. Post thread that will cause a reaction/argument and then sit back with a hob nob and a cuppa. No doubt he will wade in with something insightful as the thread grows.

i resemble that accusation.....how dare you imply such things.

oh, and i shall not be voting 😀

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ton

and i shall not be voting

By choosing not to vote, your are, in effect, voting to remain. You're happy enough with the status quo to not to want to change it.. So, you WILL be voting....sort of.

Give-a-****-O-Meter,..still giving to many ****s.

By choosing not to vote, your are, in effect, voting to remain.

ah yes, but in my mind i shall be one of the unsullied. 8)

edenvalleyboy - Member
@chewk - we have an unelected head of state and an unelected second chamber in parliament yet I never hear people moaning about how undemocratic that is - so all this chat about how undemocratic the EU is is a bit farcical.

Sorry OP for this post in your thread.

I am afraid EU bureaucrats are just too far away so no comparison there and their size is also many times larger than those in BritLand. If we cannot even deal with our own bureaucrats then there is practically no chance we can deal with EU bureaucrats.

I'm staying well off the arguments except with people I know well and then only in person and even then I'm avoiding debate with a few relatives.

I am firmly on one side of the debate and always have been.

As for giving a monkey's arse I prefer more conventional gifts, a bottle of wine perhaps, box of chocolates or some Lego.

Can barely be bothered to even post this.

I hate monkeys

I cant wait for this to be over on Friday so we can all get back to arguing over wheel sizes again like a proper bike forum.

Be good for the issue to be put to bed.
I care strongly about it.
The issue around negartive campaigns and hating politicians for it is interesting. They are using those tactics as it works on the demographics they are targeting. The people who can't be bothered to sift fact from fiction, those who are the easiest to scare. It's been apartent through history.

Couple that with a bit of shout louder and drown them out, blame the establishment and they are unpatriotic and you have a heady cocktail of persuasion.

For the apethetic it's up to you to rise above it, when a cadidate has a go at the other side ask them what they would do, how they would make things better don't accept the negativity.

So it seems like whatever choice I make it will be one devoid of proper facts - that pretty much makes it a bad choice.

Bit perplexing - why can you not find out facts yourself?

Bit perplexing - why can you not find out facts yourself

Perhaps he/she doesn't give a monkey's arse?
I'm voting in.

Good question Dr - the "can't be arsed" concept is telling enough.....

"ah yes, but in my mind i shall be one of the unsullied"

This. Glad I'm not the only one.

As a guide, you can assume as a general rule that if Boris says it it's not true. Latest example - the EU stops us exporting haggis to the US. Err no. It has been banned by the USDA since 1971.

If it really mattered we wouldn't get a chance to vote on it..

If it really mattered we wouldn't get a chance to vote on it..

This x 1000