[Closed] Do UKip hate cyclists?

Not surprising considering there whole ethos is built around hatred of "other" and any different.

Attack all minorities in the hope of getting the bigots vote. the only good thing about them is they split the far right vote.

well, ignoring the bits in bold (which is your voice I guess?) none of those seem 'anti' cycling and there's nothing there saying they would do those things only that they would consult/believe or support?

ukip hate everybody

😆 I don't think they have much chance of getting into power anyway.

Ukip believes off road dedicated lanes are preferable to a confusing maze of cycle lanes on unsuitable or dangerous roads, which is problematic for cyclists as well as other road users.

I wholely agree with this one. Off-road cycle lanes are great, on-road cycle lanes are dangerous and a joke, I choose to ride in the road instead. However they do not suggest banning cyclists from roads. Do you write for the Mail?

sorry, didn't realise the OP was a cut and paste from the Guardian website...

bnp-lite

r where the road would be too narrowed by cycle lanes and cause unacceptable delays to traffic.

Bikes are traffic too, mmmmkay

paying for cycle parking is just unenforcable - I would happily see more enforcement of good cycling, if there was allso the enforcement of good driving and better cycle facilities.

seems to me that the cycling/ driving standards of the general public are gettign worse and worse and the police enforce the law/ good driving less and less.

i think ukip's policies are essentially a collation of the daily mail's letters page aren't they?

so people complain about bikes jumping lights = ukip policy

'out of control' immigration = ukip policy.

joke party, thinly veiled racism mixed up with NIMBY middle management golf-at-the-weekend, bmw-in-the-drive englanders.

or where the road would be too narrowed by cycle lanes and cause unacceptable delays to traffic.

To quote one irritated participant that I overheard on the 'London to Brighton' a few years back at Turner's Hill, when the cyclists were being routed against the oncoming cars and he was told to "get out of the way of the traffic" -

"I [b]AM[/b] the bloody traffic!"

Someone told me once (probably the "bloke down the pub" type thing) that in Switzerland bikes had to be registered or licensed, with a numbered plate attached to each one if you want to ride them out on the road. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, does it help or hinder?

I think they're bringing back the death penalty for cycling with a string of onions, striped shirt, beret and smoking a gauloise.

[i]i think ukip's policies are essentially a collation of the daily mail's letters page aren't they?[/i]

My dad loves both, so I suspect you are right 🙁

sad times IM. praps go and lose him in the woods for a few hours on voting day? pick him up when its all over?

in Switzerland bikes had to be registered or licensed,

i think they have a sticker confirming third party liability insurance which is often given away free with the bike, or purchased for the equivalent of a few pounds.

Someone told me once (probably the "bloke down the pub" type thing) that in Switzerland bikes had to be registered or licensed, with a numbered plate attached to each one if you want to ride them out on the road. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, does it help or hinder?

Everything you need to know about licensing bikes: http://ipayroadtax.com/?p=85

In Switzerland, it’s compulsory to have a CHF-5-10 ‘Velo Vignette’ (bike sticker) ‘license’ but as well as being a registration scheme it’s a way of getting cyclists to purchase third-party liability insurance. However, at the end of March 2010, the Swiss parliament started to debate whether to abolish the licenses. Some political parties said the costs of the scheme far outstrip the revenue.

They also banned minarets and got rich from Nazi gold, so we perhaps shouldn't copy everything they do 😉

3rd party possibly but how are you going to enforce it when so many motorists get away with not having any? Plus cycling numbers will go down = bad.

While they don't implicitly say they'll ban cycling on roads it does hint at it and it [i]does[/i] say they'll try make cyclists walk round roundabouts/junctions or bus lanes* "where there are safety concerns" which could end up being anywhere we may "slow down" proper traffic (ie 4 wheels and an engine)

* so we're getting kicked out of bike/bus lanes too

Bugger, and I was about to vote for them until I read that. The rest of their policies are just so well thought out, reasonable and democratic, and their leaders seem really well balanced!

I think I met a member of UKIP yesterday.. he looked like a slightly embittered and shell shocked ex-colonel type.. something in the way he conducted himself..

I was following some pedestrians at walking pace along a footpath near to a clifftop.. patiently waiting for an opportunity to pass..

this guy looked back and caught my eye and held it with a steely malevolent gaze..
'this path is NO CYLING' he growled at me.

'oh sorry' I cheerily replied.. 'is it really? how silly'

'what's silly'? he asked.. 'the no-cycling rule' I reply

'well if you think it's silly you're a bloody idiot'

'oh thanks' says I 'that's very generous of you.. try and enjoy the rest of your day mate'

'WELL I HOPE YOU BLOODY WELL DON'T'!!! was his parting shot..

It's at times like this that I wish I was less polite and more inclined to call someone a C**T first and ask questions later...

he was definitely UKIP though.. something in his birdlike eyes.. wishing he was taking part in a war somewhere.. preferably on his own doorstep.. with a sabre..

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i think ukip's policies are essentially a collation of the daily mail's letters page aren't they?

Basically this

It's at times like this that I wish I was less polite and more inclined to call someone a C**T first and ask questions later...

Nah by doing what you did you probably annoyed him more and definitely 'won' imo. 🙂

bnp-lite

Yup & the Tories are UKIP-lite, a direct connection right through all 3 of them

I had a look at a UKIP stall at a show once.
The guy started talking about how we don't need Brussels telling us to buy apples in kilograms, we should stick to gallons, etc. etc.
I asked him how many square yards there are in an acre.
He didn't know.

4840 IIRC - its a chain by a furlong 🙂

but why? they are so enraged by apples in kilos etc.

who cares? who cares if you ride an empty footpath on a bike?

they are so full of rage its untrue!

I knew that and also that it is 1/640 of a square mile.
I just found it amusing that someone who was so vocal in his dislike of metric measurements didn't.

I do love the poetry in imperial measurements.

so who are stw voting for.

green?

Well, I've just glanced through the UKIP April 2010 manifesto and it doesn't mention cyclists, bikes, junctions or any of that stuff.

Soobalias:

i live in a lib-dem safe seat: they'll win whether i vote or not. i would vote green to help them retain their deposit...

actually, i WILL vote green, to make sure the ukip/bnp/racists are more likely to lose their deposit.

(they need 5% of the vote to keep the £500 deposit - every vote for someone else makes this more likely, there you go kids: a very good reason to vote!)

I live in the constituency with the 32nd smallest majority.

Other than 3 window stickers from the conservatives through the door we've had nothing from anyone.

I'm going to just ask for cash from whoever turns up to canvass me first.

UKIP are frankly laughable.

The people who take them seriously are what worry me.

Whilst [url= http://swindonnationalists.blogspot.com/ ]THIS 😀 [/url] is just all sorts of crazy.

Anyone who considers voting UKip should be forced to sit and watch V for Vendetta on a constant loop until they recant...

Anyone who votes BNP, well I'd argue for lobotomising them, but "bolting the stable door after the horse has gone" comes to mind.

One of the contractors I use is standing as a UKIP candidate in my consitituency.

It has left me feeling he might be slightly more bonkers than I previously thoiught...

Aren't the UKIP, the party for those who find the BNPs xenophobia "too frightfully lower class, old boy"
All the above policies, even without the bold, are extremely anti-cycling.
The only possible exception is the third-party thing, and lets be honest, if even the Swiss cant get that to work properly...,

bnp-lite

Who are, in turn, the National Front-Lite....

well, ignoring the bits in bold (which is your voice I guess?) none of those seem 'anti' cycling and there's nothing there saying they would do those things only that they would consult/believe or support?

I'm with Donk on this, I think phil's bold summarys pretty well describe the effective outcome of those policies. And the language betrays a view of cyclists as menaces and obstacles to the rightful owners of the road, the UK motorist. Not a good sign.

insurance cover for cyclists - a simple annual flat rate registration 'Cycledisc', stuck to the bicycle frame, to cover damage to cars and others, which are currently unprotected.

Unprotected from what? Damage caused when they cut up cyclists? What about insurance for pedestrians, shopping trolleys- cars are terrifyingly exposed to those things too aren't they?

Tax on bikes
Would that be to cover the damage caused to a car when it kills you. 😕
Or just a money making exercise.
Get off at roundabouts???
Are these people off their Fing heads
Thats it 👿
Bad letter from me going on their email

i think ukip's policies are essentially a collation of the daily mail's letters page aren't they?

Off-road cycle lanes are great

Not always...

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From [url= http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/index.htm ]Warrington Cycle Campaign facility of the month[/url]

[b]Colin-T[/b] - those signs have been taken down, I think

This is the only bit on cycling I could find.

Support responsible pedal cycling but have zero tolerance on dangerous practices such as running red lights. We will consult on proposals for cyclists to display a cheap 'Cycledisc' to deter theft and give 3rd party insurance for car damage

January 2010 Transport Policy Statement it's all there starting at the bottom of page 20 ...

I've downloaded the whole Transport Policy now and found this bit...

10.2 We believe that there needs to be a better balance of rights and responsibilities for pedal cyclists, with too much aggressive abuse of red lights, pedestrian crossings and a lack of basic safety and road courtesy.

and

10.8 Cycling on safe cycle routes, lanes, tracks and trails should be actively encouraged, particularly as a leisure pursuit.

So it's the usual vague waffle about wanting to promote cycling, as long as we don't get in the way of their cars.

yunki - Member

I think I met a member of UKIP yesterday.. he looked like a slightly embittered and shell shocked ex-colonel type.. something in the way he conducted himself..

From "A Hard Day's Night" (ye olde anciente Beatles movie).

Crusty old major type on train, to Lennon & McCartney sitting opposite:

"I fought in the war for the likes of you!"

Lennon: "I bet you're sorry you won..."

LOLOLOL Woppitt... it was EXACTLY like that.. only I didn't quite manage Lennons cheeky scouse wit...

this guy wasn't quite so crusty either..

Excuse typos, here's the possibly contentious bits from that pdf:

10.6 UKIP would consult on the desirability of minimum third party liability insurance cover for cyclists - a simple annual flat rate registration 'Cycledisc', stuck to the bicycle frame, to cover damage to cars and others, which are currently unprotected. The Cycledisc should also carry clear identification details, which will help counter bicycle theft, and deter dangerous cyclist behaviour. We support provision of cycle parking at reasonable charges

I don't have *that* much of an issue with 3rd party insurance - and of this year I've got some with the CTC - but I've never hit anyone in 33 (?) yrs of cycling on the roads, so it's a bit pointless IMO.
And in any case, there's nothing to stop a driver suing you for damages - insurance just makes it easier to recoupe repair costs.
Sounds like the usual 'we've got to have insurance, so have you' rubbish you get from some drivers...at least they didn't suggest road tax !

10.8 Cycling on safe cycle routes, lanes, tracks and trails should be actively encouraged, particularly as a leisure pursuit. UKIP believes off road dedicated lanes are preferable to a confusing maze of cycle lanes on unsuitable or dangerous roads, which is problematic for cyclist as well as other road users.

Depends how you read it. Already some roads, whilst useable, are almost off-limits (A3 in surrey for example). Bit of bummer when they're the direct route they want to withdraw - which could be the other way of reading it. ('cycles as mode of transport shocker')

10.9 Local authorities should be given additional powers to enforce a 'cyclists dismount' or 'no cycling' regulation where there are safety concerns - such as busy roundabouts, junctions or bus lanes, or where the road would be too narrowed by cycle lanes and cause unacceptable delays to traffic.

Words fail me. Open to far too much interpretation/abuse IMO.
'Delays to traffic'...perhaps ban 50% of cars from the road then ? FFS...

there was one of them at my local Hustings last week, slightly mad starey eyed look about him. Was resolutely MOR with all his policies, apart from the anti immigration must leave the EU bollards, where he was trying very hard to stop blurting out "Send back the Darkies..."

Idiots.

The Cycledisc should also carry clear identification details, which will help counter bicycle theft, and deter dangerous cyclist behaviour.

an invasion of privacy unless it's just an opaque alphanumeric code, and ineffective unless it can be clearly read and remembered from 3 metres away and doesn't easily come off

This repeated focus on RLJing by those who make and enforce the laws is what makes me despair of democracy.
Not that I can come up with a better system.

[i]but why? they are so enraged by apples in kilos etc. [/i]

It's not the selling of things in metric units that's the issue, it's the banning of the selling of things in imperial units. In other words, freedom of choice. I know the metric system is a far more logical one, but I like the quirkiness of the imperial system.

but I like the quirkiness of the imperial system.

yeah, 4 gills to the pint (also 20 fluid ounces), 8 pints to the gallon, 9 gallons to the firkin, 2 firkins to the kilderkin, 9ish kilderkins to the butt (opinions vary) - all makes perfect sense :o)

Exactly. I'd rather know that there are 4 pecks in a bushel, than that there are 100 cm in a metre (though on that subject, could a lot of folk on here please note that it's "metre", not "meter").

And if I go into a sweetie shop for a poke of soor plooms (a Scottish delicacy, yumm), I want a quarter, not 100g.

I'd rather know that there are 4 pecks in a bushel

but how many bushels in a kilderkin ?? Oh and the liquid measures seem to vary in size depending if it's "ale" or "beer" - a distinction that escapes me 🙁

[i]a distinction that escapes me[/i]

It escapes me too, but I'll happily volunteer to look into the matter!

it's the banning of the selling of things in imperial units

p.s. you can even buy a lb of something on the contient.

That's not the way I understand it. I thought the law changed so that shopkeepers can only display measurements in metric. Dual displays are banned. That's why there are so many complaints.

(though on that subject, could a lot of folk on here please note that it's "metre", not "meter")

Dual displays are banned.

I take it that you don't do the shopping in your house then?

Either that or my local Tescos are shameless criminals..

The Cycledisc should also carry clear identification details, which will help counter bicycle theft, and deter dangerous cyclist behaviour.

Will they stick to carbon frames?

I didn't think anyone liked cyclists...

UKIP is a joke anyway.

I'm willing to admit I might be wrong on the dual display thing. That was just my understanding of it. Mind you, the Tesco store near us only has displays in metric. Same with all other supermarkets.

Oh, and as for the spelling of metre, in UK English it is just "metre".

Mind you, the Tesco store near us only has displays in metric. Same with all other supermarkets.

Aye well.. you sound pretty certain of that so I will have to concede... I could have sworn that things were still displayed in metric and imperial.. which maybe just goes to show that the change sinks into the subconcious and is understood and accepted quicker than I expected..

Even when supermarkets mark stuff in metric, they don't get it right.
I was looking at some flour once and couldn't work out why the shelf was marked 1kg 500g, yet there was only one price and one size bag on the shelf.
It took me a while to realise they were probably marked by someone more familiar with imperial measurements, and just as they wouldn't mark a shelf 1.5lb or 24oz, they would mark it 1lb 8oz, they had done the same with the metric weight.
1kg 500g = 1.5kg or 1500g. 🙄

[i]Aye well.. you sound pretty certain of that so I will have to concede[/i]

Having made that statement, I'll now have to go and check. Wouldn't be the first time I've posted something and been proved totally wrong!

That's not the way I understand it. I thought the law changed so that shopkeepers can only display measurements in metric. Dual displays are banned. That's why there are so many complaints.

Wrong.

Complaints are from idiots who refuse to say what something is in metric. They can still display the archaic units if they want (I'm 40 and have no idea how many ounces in a pint or whatever it is).

I remember last election Farage walking around a market in France and saying that there, they can use 'livre' for pound, and the EU stops us from using pounds. Err, well first it's not the EU that says metric measurements should be used, and second, I think he might find if he asks for un livre he'll get half a kilo.

(I'm 40 and have no idea how many ounces in a pint or whatever it is).

it's 20 🙂 So a gallon (8 pints) is 160oz = 10lb of water!

But pints in the US are different. And how many ounces in a pound? Oh I see, 16, not 20. But why? Oh wait I misread your calculation. I'm confused now. How many pounds in a stone, I have no clue.

I'm off for 330ml of beer. Or maybe 546ml if I can find one of the bigger bottles.

How many pounds in a stone, I have no clue.

14 allegedly 🙂 and 8 stone in a [b]hundred[/b](?)weight (abbrev [b]cwt[/b]) but actually 112 lb! And 20cwt in a ton, which is of course similar but different to a tonne...

oh and: "Before the 15th century in England, a hundredweight was a different unit equal to 108 lb." - still not 100 though, eh ?

[i]Complaints are from idiots who refuse to say what something is in metric. [/i]

But why should they be forced to? What happened to freedom of choice? It may well be they would lose business by only showing imperial measurements, but that should be their choice to do so.

And why does favouring one system over another make them "idiots"? I suspect the vast majority of them understand both systems, and you freely admit to not knowing even basic imperial measurements, yet you refer to them as the "idiots". I'm curious as to why? You can question their business logic I guess, but why the term "idiots"?