Shame to miss the opportunity to viisit a place and perhaps learn more about it.
How small is your list of places that you atre prepared to work in - avoid the UK BTW, they are going to kick out lots of EU citizens in the next few months, Immoral bas@@@s
[quote="geetee1972"]...work directly for [b]Saudi Aramco[/b] (with whom the company did a lot of business...
Heh. That's the company I had in mind last time I had a rant about working with the Saudis.
TBH I'd probably do it for 2 weeks just for the interest of seeing the place. Have always enjoyed travelling for work meetings though they are usually in pleasant places 🙂
Wouldn't consider a long-term stay though.
Lot's of places we end up going in this Country are shitty, it's not reserved just for Saudi.
You're not seriously likening the worse parts of this country with Saudi are you?
Maybe you could go with a view to discovering your own perspective? Let's face most of us only know what we read and watch.
I've been to Abu Dhabi and whilst not in the same league, it at least helped me see for real what I don't really like. But at the same time it wasn't all bad.
That said SA would be a step to far for me.
Maybe you could go with a view to discovering your own perspective?
How would I do that? Wander the streets interviewing people? I'm sure that'll go down well 😯
Of course not. I'm just saying you would have had a first hand experience. And be able to have an opinion on something that others can't truly comment on.
However if you are up for some risky journalism I will provide the camera equipment for you to wear. 😉
I don't think my first hand experience would be worth much. If I go to a business hotel and an office, maybe a restaurant for tourists, I'm not going to learn much about human rights abuses am I?
Others, in this case, know far more than I could expect to. We're not talking about the atmos or the quality of the local trails after all.
perchypanther - MemberMore to the point, if they discover the picture of you in your skin tight Captain America onesie,
Do you mean this one ..... If I was starting a revolution I would like to be noticed . 🙂
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I'd still be contributing to their economy
You will undoubtedly have already contributed to their economy, unless you have never consumed any fuel, plastic, drugs, or anything made from hydrocarbons.
I've been headhunted to work for them, but not on a short term basis. Would certainly be keen to go for a few weeks.
I'd be fine with doing a 2 week business trip to Saudi however it's not somewhere I'd want to be based longer term. I've done a fair bit of work in the Middle East though (in the Emirates and Bahrain) and quite like it out there.
You will undoubtedly have already contributed to their economy
Of course, I'm not aiming to occupy moral high ground. It's a personal thing I think.
if they discover the picture of you in your skin tight Captain America onesie
It's not a onesie ffs I have some decency. It's separate tights and a top.
TMH my mate hid under the stairs of his condo whilst terrorists blew up the compound security fence and generally shot the place up. Grank Gardener was shot in the spine. I've been a lot for business including to Jeddah but its a country you go nowhere other than office/hotel and you take a hotel car & driver so you are never haning around street waiting for a taxi.
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TMH my mate hid under the stairs of his condo whilst terrorists blew up the compound security fence and generally shot the place up. Grank Gardener was shot in the spine. I've been a lot for business including to Jeddah but its a country you go nowhere other than office/hotel and you take a hotel car & driver so you are never haning around street waiting for a taxi.
I've done week long trips to Jubail (about an hour from Dammam) a couple of times a year for the last 5-10 years.
People can be a mixed bunch, a bit like here. The majority are friendly and very welcoming.
Immigration has been a ballache at times, but it was much quicker in January on the way in and on the way out.
I have never had any problems in Saudi, we go shopping in the local mall and I go out running most afternoons. Having said that, we seem to be the only people who walk more than 20 metres, everyone else drives!
Everyone has missed the key reason to consider not going, they are abysmal drivers, 160kmh three feet off the car in front, 5 cars in three lanes. Every trip to and from the airport there is at least one bad smash, generally three cars plus.
Oh yeah and beef bacon **** that!
Matt
yeah the driving is incredible. Almost everyone on the phone too. Our 'chaperone' said five of his mates were killed on the road while he was at Uni.
I'm pretty immoral when it comes to making money on a personal level, for the arseache factor and having to stay in a horrible horrible place Id want a decent bonus for it, but hell I was getting a £250 a week 'over night allowance' for staying in Sheffield on top of all expenses covered.
On top of that my folks live in Bahrain so I'd have to check logisitics, but it would be possible I could take the causeway and stay with them of an evening.
for me the journey was the biggest arseache. Hotel was good, food was excellent (Lebanese, Indian, etc...), I've worked in far worse places.
I saw a Trek concept store, but couldn't figure out where you would even begin to ride (road or mountain).
Id want a decent bonus for it, but hell I was getting a £250 a week 'over night allowance' for staying in Sheffield on top of all expenses covered.
Saudi Arabia is one thing, but Sheffield... No.
Interesting thread. Can't help but be curious about such an extreme place. Could any of the people who said "never again" share any further info about why not? Also, any good points? Assuming the weather's quite nice.
I wouldn't go as the Saudis don't like The Flinstones but the people in Abu Dhabi do.
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Saudi Champagne - Perrier Water, Apple Juice, Mint, Premium Price.
As I posted before you need an invite to the American Embassey Brunch, freeflow beers and Champagne, the proper stuff.
Jambourie the weather is okay 6 months of the year, the rest is hot to far too hot. Its quite a hostile environment generaliy, everything is "hard to do" including getting into the country. For sure the peope can be welcoming but not a patch on the Arab hospitality in say Oman. Pretty much all the expats I ever met there saw it as a short term money making venture, by short term I mean 2-4 years. From a personal and business perspective the draw was you could sell prodicts to them (on a short 2 day trip) and/or manage money for them which you did outside Saudi just visiting them for client relations reasons. Our sales rep in Bahrain perfected the ability to do day trips via Causway/Danam this avoiding the need for an overnight stay.
Molgrips, why is there a single glove and small tub of Vaseline next to your Cpt America photo? 😯
I've never visited Saudi or any other country within that region. Part of me would like to, just out of curiosity, but I'm a walking faux pas at the best of times. What normally results in semi comical situations over here would probably have a different outcome.
Nope, their human rights record is disgusting.
Assuming the weather's quite nice.
Only a Brit would assume sunshine always means 'nice' weather 🙂
Molgrips, why is there a single glove and small tub of Vaseline next to your Cpt America photo?
You didn't seriously think I'd printed out that picture and framed it, did you?
You didn't seriously thing I'd printed out that picture and framed it, did you?
Yes, yes I did 😆
Money can buy everything including your soul ... 😆
Do you still have to cut out the M&S labels from your ubdies in that part of the world?
Does immigration still censor those pornographic images from travel brochures?
If I go to a business hotel and an office, maybe a restaurant for tourists, I'm not going to learn much about human rights abuses am I?
I don't really know the particulars of the trip. And I would've written it off from the start (personally) but you've made your mind up doesn't sound like you need any sort of debate. Don't go.
Strangely most of my preconceptions about travelling to certain parts of the world have usually been fulfilled when I get there. I.e there turned out to be pretty much in line with the version I have in my head.
I did a business trip to Japan and got lots of time to check it out. Enough to be get a flavour of the country. But I always wanted to go there.
Strangely most of my preconceptions about travelling to certain parts of the world have usually been fulfilled when I get there. I.e there turned out to be pretty much in line with the version I have in my head.
I would question that you only see what you expect to see? I think it is caled confirmation bias.
I'd probably suggest spending the weekend in Bahrain as you can get a bus/driver to take you over and it is slightly less painful to cross the border (and they are more liberal)
And join the rich Saudis hitting the strip bars and putting Bahraini bad driving to shame (which is pretty terrible in itself). 😉
(Folks lived in Bahrain for seven years. The Saudis are generally hated with a passion there)
I would question that you only see what you expect to see? I think it is called confirmation bias.
I'm not so sure. I just believe I've travelled to the countries I wanted to travel to. I can't help or define the experience when I get there.
All I'm suggesting is I went to India - I probably wouldn't like it.
OP if I may say .... declining a business trip on security grounds is one thing, saying you won't go for moral reasons u
Is likely to be viewed less positively. If your employer does business there they have already taken a view on the moral issue.
I used to work overseas solo for months on end staying in crappy hotels and factories. Never bothered me unless I couldn't get reading material as I read books very quickly. Have traipsed round cities and souq's looking for books/books shops for stuff to read, I would never consider going to SA for that reason.
If you want Molls I could pop round and pour all your beer and wind down the drain, then deliver a withering critique of your loose western values, probably deserving of a flogging, administer said flogging, and then invite all your neighbours round to watch me behead one of the local wrong'uns!
What do you reckon?
If you enjoy the experience, then get your flights booked and you're off for your dream 2 weeks in the sun
You're welcome.... 😀
Pour his wind down the drain?
If your employer does business there they have already taken a view on the [s]moral[/s] financial issue.
binners - MemberIf you want Molls I could pop round and pour all your beer and wind down the drain, then deliver a withering critique of your loose western values, probably deserving of a flogging, administer said flogging, and then invite all your neighbours round to watch me behead one of the local wrong'uns!
What do you reckon?
If you enjoy the experience, then get your flights booked and you're off for your dream 2 weeks in the sun
You're welcome....
Well I heard this goes on in parts of England too so.......
You've been to Rochdale then?
Can't be bothered to wade through all the shit on here from people who don't really know what they are talking about and have never been. This forum really does attract a core quorum of smart arse idiots.
I work quite often in Saudi and find it very interesting. It's quite a pleasant place in some ways, and quite different from Dubai/Abu Dhabi etc. There are some fascinating historical sites and if you get the chance to take a couple of days off for some site-seeing I would really recommend it.
There are obviously the social issues and problems with the regime, but I would take my chance if I'd never been before. Jeddah is much nicer than Riyadh, although sites like the Masmak Fort in the capital are also good.
You've been to Rochdale then?
Syria was much nicer and possibly still is.....
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There are obviously the social issues and problems with the regime
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Can't be bothered to wade through all the shit on here from people who don't really know what they are talking about
Open any thread, I dare you. No, I double dare you!
so what's it going to be mol?
JoeCan't be bothered to wade through all the shit on here from people who don't really know what they are talking about and have never been. This forum really does attract a core quorum of smart arse idiots.
I work quite often in Saudi and find it very interesting.
Given your experience then perhaps you could educate all the smart arse idiots as to what is true and what are misconceptions about Saudi Arabia?
Is it true that the Saudi regime are responsible for spending hundreds of billions of dollars each year exporting Wahhabi ideologies that have given rise to groups like ISIS and Boko Haram? Senior British and American military figures believe this to be the case.
Is it true that the United Nations has said the country falls woefully short in terms of preventing slavery and sex slavery and that hundreds of thousands of foreign workers are kept as prisoners and worked to death?
Is it true that women are second class citizens there and can be extra-judicially murdered in public, in broad daylight while the police watch on little more than a husbands say so?
What rights do gay or trans people have in Saudi Arabia?
What rights do atheists have in Saudi Arabia?
Thanks in advance.
