[Closed] Did you post pictures of Venables and Thompson?

Time [b]for people ignorant of the law[/b] to stop using FB and Twitter IMO folks....

The rest of us will be fine.

As I've said before, and no doubt will again, why isn't it the parents that brought then both up (and the parent that left poor James unattended) that are facing the wrath of the public?

What kind of childhood did Venables and Thompson to turn them into the monsters they were for one day?

Ya right ... what if they have websites created in Papua New Guinea Or North Korea or China?

Time to stop using FB and Twitter IMO folks....

No, not really.

Mr Grieve has “decided to institute contempt proceedings against a number of individuals who have been identified as having posted online photographs purporting to be of Jon Venables or Robert Thompson”, his spokesman said.

“The terms of the order mean that if a picture claims to be of Venables or Thompson, even if it is not actually them, there will be a breach of the order.”

The second bit is interesting isn't it? I understand the principles behind it, however I wonder what kind of precedent it sets.

I wonder what kind of precedent it sets.

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So how long before the Twiiter meme of, say, Bert & Ernie being captioned as Venables & Thompson takes off then?

Time to stop using FB and Twitter IMO folks....

Seriously, what on earth are you talking about ?

Kryton57 - Member

Time to stop using FB and Twitter IMO folks....

why?

this is all over the radio news at the moment - are people really that daft?

Time to stop using FB and Twitter IMO folks....

..or time to responsibility for ones own actions.

The second bit is interesting isn't it? I understand the principles behind it, however I wonder what kind of precedent it sets.

I'm no lawyer but I think the precedent concept of this would already be dealt with / explained by the Criminal Attempts Act - they are attempting to break an order even though it is actually impossible for them to break it as they are posting incorrect photos. Some one with more knowledge can perhaps clarify

Tucker iirc the parents are not facing the wrath because they did not do anything illegal. Not really sure why you need to ask tbh and you may need to say it for along time before someone takes it seriously.
Good luck on your mission..... I am sure you mean this and don't just want a reaction.
Tbb a few high profile cases to make folk think about what they say or do the internet might not be a bad idea

This thread is useless without pictures.

this is all over the radio news at the moment - are people really that daft?

Sadly, most of them are.....

TuckerUK, i know exactly what you mean & have often wondered the same. Although as Junkyard points out the parents didn't do anything illegal in the eyes of the law, their action or lack of them i suspect, must of contributed to the offenders twisted view of whats right & wrong.

Tucker also blames the victims parents though. The dad was not even there.

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Ya never take me alive coppers.

Why would I want to get involved in an ignorant self-righteous pretend witch-hunt? Of course I didn't post pictures. Wtf?

This country has a legal system instead of mob rule, last time I checked. And a good thing too.

So it's illegal to upload photos to the net?

If the photos are fake then that's wrong. As far as venables is concerned, I hope the "angry mob" catch up with him and soon.

Tucker also blames the victims parents though.

I think it's pretty shocking that someone would blame the mother. The reports are that she was momentarily distracted and he wondered off, not that she left him on his own. Although, I'm sure the mother probably believes that it was her fault and has had to live with that every single day since here son was brutally murdered.

So it's illegal to upload photos to the net?

In this case, yes. There is a court order banning publication of any information that could lead to revelation of their new identities.

Are we supposed to be aware of this court order? There must be millions of people who aren't aware of it.

So it's illegal to upload photos to the net?

Thankfully it is for certain photos.

Are we supposed to be aware of this court order? There must be millions of people who aren't aware of it.

The Oh sorry I didn't know defense, ah yes that'll work.

Ignorance is no defence in law. I was certainly aware of it, it's been pretty well publicised ever since his release.

It's not ignorance of the law though, it's ignorance of a court order. Jut cos you knew doesn't mean jot. No offence like.

Drac, no need to be like that, I'm aware some are, I.e paedo stuff.

The whole thing reeks of clutching at straws by the law IMO.

People know perfectly well they had protected identities. The idea of anyone claiming ignorance of that is ridiculous.

Only as ridiculous as it is to assume everybody knew about the court order.

They can't protect someone like that forever. What is the law going to do, prosecute everyone who shared and liked the photos? What an absolute joke protecting a child-torturing paedophile.

Straws, clutching, at...

It's not ignorance of the law though, it's ignorance of a court order. Jut cos you knew doesn't mean jot. No offence like.

No offence taken. In the highly unlikely event that, whoever posted the picture on FB, wasn't aware of the order, it still doesn't change the fact what they did was illegal. And they'll probably be punished for it. Quite rightly imho.

I'm out I hope the bastard burns.

People know perfectly well they had protected identities. The idea of anyone claiming ignorance of that is ridiculous.

Exactly.

The people who posted pictures online were hiding behind the imagined protection from posting online en masse.
Thinking they were being very "clever" and being involved in a "Spartacus" type moment where they can't prosecute everybody.

why isn't it the parents that brought then both up (and the parent that left poor James unattended) that are facing the wrath of the public?

What kind of childhood did Venables and Thompson to turn them into the monsters they were for one day?

It would be comforting to believe that they were particularly cruel or dangerous children (or even better, not humans at all but monsters) and that everything could be blamed on their deviant neglectful parents. It wasn't that way.

Even if those posting were unaware of the court order, most seemed to be aware that they'd been given new identities, at great expense- there was a lot of furious posting along those lines at the same time. "WHY OH WHY have the government spent so much money to prevent us killing these people? To protest I shall now post pictures to undo that work, so that they have to spend even more money. Or rather, I will post pictures of some other random innocent dude who might end up getting lynched"

molgrips - Member

This country has a legal system instead of mob rule, last time I checked. And a good thing too.

Ya, this country does not have the ultimate rules and everyone knows that ... 😈

Once upon a time it was a night out watching them strung up but now all you see is them demanding better living condition ... WTF ... shouldn't we harvest them as human parts?

WTF ... shouldn't we harvest them as human parts?

Anyone who is stupid enough to perpetuate the myth that the pictures are / are not of Thomson and Venables is stupid and reckless. Especially when the subject matter is so contentious and emotive.

Suppose someone posts a picture which turns out to be incorrect and the torch wielding mobs acts first and asks questions later? What happens then?

Not saying or posting anything that you wouldn't say to someones face / in public is a good barometer of where it should go on FB or ****ter.

I've seen the pics 4 or 5 times on mates facebook feeds.

post/share no
see yes

i actually thought the pic was of the prophet mohammed.

A friend of mine taught one of them at a secure unit after they were convicted. Apparently the child had had a perfectly normal childhood, was good academically and well behaved. He had loving parents who visited every weekend. He couldn't figure out how / why he'd done what he'd done, completely out of character and unlike most of the other children in the secure unit (who were obviously disturbed / violent individuals).

Interesting. I once kicked in the window of a Catholic Church in broad daylight when I was 8 on the way home from school. To this day I have no idea why I did it.
Not suggesting the next step would have been to abduct a toddler and then brutalise him until dead. But kids do strange things.

Supposedly one of them led the other astray, they were sent to different institutions, so never met again after the trial.

It's very sad and tragic for everyone involved.

bigyinn - Member
It's very sad and tragic for everyone involved.

Yes but this is STW.....

If the current UK government is taking a tough line with internet clever dicks then it's the first thing it has done of which I approve.

chakaping - Member
If the current UK government is taking a tough line with internet clever dicks then it's the first thing it has done of which I approve.

I feel quite safe hiding in here....

I try and hold myself to the highest moral standards, and always have done. Yet for some reason, aged 11, I bullied a kid for a few days, resulting in an assault. I had no idea what I was doing until after it had happened, and that was the main surprise.

When you're a kid, you do indeed get the wrong end of the stick quite significantly. So it's stupid branding these two as evil monsters who must be eradicated.

Am I the only one who wonders how they must feel? Destroying the futures of two kids is just another tragedy on top of the original one.

Revenge is never a good thing.

Piecing together snippets of "facts" from the Internet I've seen over the years, branding at least one of them as 'evil' would seem to be appropriate in this case.

From what FF said ^^ there, I suppose the easy conclusion is that one was a wrong 'un and the other got carried along.

This is all conjecture on my part though, of course.

Piecing together snippets of "facts" from the Internet I've seen over the years, branding at least one of them as 'evil' would seem to be appropriate in this case.

[headmastersvoice]Cougar? WTF have you lost your sense of reason? I had you pegged as one of the good ones. Please back pedal. Your whole statement is full of wrong. Logical wrong.[/headmastersvoice]

It's only full of wrong if you take one sentence out of context.

Wasn't saying that it's what I believe. Hence the use of inverted commas and reference to an "easy" conclusion. I have no actual clue about either of them and, frankly, the whole thing being resurrected barely registers on my Giveashitometer. I was merely commenting on the picture that's been built up by various media (and I'm counting both 'official' media and social media here).

Piecing together snippets of "facts" from the Internet I've seen over the years, branding at least one of them as 'evil' would seem to be appropriate in this case.

From what FF said ^^ there, I suppose the easy conclusion is that one was a wrong 'un and the other got carried along.

Interestingly, from what I've read, the one who was pegged at the time as the "wrong 'un" has kept a low profile while the "good 'un" who was "led astray" is the one who has turned out to be a bit of a bad boy subsquently.

I don't know what, if anything, that tells us other than that I've wasted a few moments posting some second hand half-remembered crap I read on the internet onto a different bit of the internet, and now some other people are wasting a few moments reading it. You're welcome.

Cougar, ah ok, sorry I misunderstood your statement..
Good backpedal.

Piecing together snippets of "facts" from the Internet I've seen over the years

Always a good basis for building opinions of a person!

Cougar, ah ok, sorry I misunderstood your statement..
Good backpedal.

Me or you? (-:

Revenge is never a good thing.

Clearly, you haven't spent enough time seething...

Me or you? (-:

teasel - Member
Revenge is never a good thing.
Clearly, you haven't spent enough time seething...

Is this experience based on your plot to "off" the Pool Cleaner? 😉

I've seen the pics 4 or 5 times on mates facebook feeds.

Probably a good indicator of who to delete off your friend list.

Grum, indeed. I did delete some, and argued with the others..

Is this experience based on your plot to "off" the Pool Cleaner?

Moi...?

Good one Kuco.

Nah I didn't. Haven't seen them from my mates either.