[Closed] David Icke at Wembley last Saturday

When Icke came out with the idea that reptiles rule the world, many years ago, he was roundly ridiculed and labelled mad. But disbelief is turning to respect, as more of his theories have come true, and several have been found to originate in old text texts.

I somehow missed that transformation from ridiculous madman to respected theorist.

Is the claim that the Queen and David Cameron, for example, are reptiles now mainstream thinking then?

Call me a weirdo but I'll cling onto the old fashion theory that the Queen and David Cameron are merely humans like everyone else.

You have to admire Icke's determination. When he dropped out of professional football, he kept hold of the Wembley dream and last week he achieved it.

For over ten hours, Icke held the attention of close to 12,000 people

W T F !

He's actually an intelligent guy, it's just a shame his ideas are so wacky. If he was talking about corporate control of media, governments eveything!. The Builderbrg Group, the IMF etc he'd be great.

I guess nobody would go and see him then.

Icke does talk about all of those things, he just has an entirely different cosy reductive explanation for it all.

When he dropped out of professional football, he kept hold of the Wembley dream and last week he achieved it.

more of his theories

They are not theories. They are hypotheses.

A theory is something that is accepted as highly probable fact because it has been tested by gathering evidence to support the original hypothesis, or idea...

David Icke has not done any of this.

I've seen this documentary...
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that link is brilliant. He's completely hatstand. Makes kaesae and jivehoney sound sane and rational 😀

Icke just transfers information , seen him 2002 and 2003 a lot to cram into an 8 hour seminar...open mind is a must

I love him he's batshit crazy 😀

[i]Icke just transfers information[/i]

Just like Fox News does?

Yes , but without the bullshit 😆

It's all so clear now, if only I'd opened my mind earlier.

I see he's still banging away with the Matrix references.

Why hasn't he been sectioned yet?

the Queen and David Cameron are merely humans [b]like everyone else[/b].

CBA reading all that, did he mention Arran at all and when that tsunami/ earthquake/attack by Godzilla is due?

Why hasn't he been sectioned yet?

Do you think he is a danger to himself or others?

Icke just transfers information , seen him 2002 and 2003 a lot to cram into an 8 hour seminar...open mind is a must

Open mind = Leave reason at the door on the way in.

Do you think he is mentally ill?
Do you think he is a danger to himself or others?

I love the time honoured trope that a complete lack of any evidence is evidence that someone is trying to conceal said evidence.
If you open your mind far enough, your brain will fall out....

I do sometimes wonder though whether us ****s are at the top of the food chain...we can't be....we're idiots really! 🙂

.....Whether we're invisibly governed by lizards though is debatable. Some of the other subjects his covers does make you think though.

I do sometimes wonder though whether us ****s are at the top of the food chain...we can't be....we're idiots really!

What makes you think we are? In terms of world population there are quite a few species that outnumber us.

And some of them, like mosquitoes, feed on our flesh and kill hundreds of thousands of us every year.

and the Dolphins know about the Vogon hyperspace express route.

[i]there are quite a few species that outnumber us. [/i]

There is a theory that humans were domesticated by the grasses (grass, wheat, ooats etc) as they now cover so much of the Earth's surface.

unfortunately Jivehoney has a point when it comes to CSE

as more of his theories have come true,

so, which ones are true then?

has he still got a website full of pictures of the queen turning into a lizard?

Its the ones he claimed he said after they happened like the Tsunami.

unfortunately Jivehoney has a point when it comes to CSE

Thank you kind sir, don't doubt it.

Hot off the press we have:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/30/re-written-letter-child-abuse-inquiry

and digging a bit deeper than the MSM:

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/30/colin-tucker-lost-in-home-office-revisions/

Still just scratching the surface.

To be fair to David Icke, since the 90s he has been saying child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

Given that the Jersey cover up and the network surrounding it implicates multiple governments and the Monarchy, with links to several other countries as well, you have to wonder.

Sorry, forgot obligatory picture... this was taken the morning of the day that Fiona Woolf went before the Home Affairs Select Committee and said she wasn't part of the establishment:

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To be fair to David Icke, since the 90s he has been saying child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

I think what you've got there is the law of averages. If a nail bomb explodes, some of the bits are going to hit something.

I really need to work on my analogies.

Very shrew man david icke,he's realised there are lots of disillusioned and lost people out there who just want something else to believe,no matter how crazy,oh and he just happens to get an enormous bank account doing it,very clever indeed.

To be fair to David Icke, since the 90s he has been saying child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

I think what you've got there is the law of averages. If a nail bomb explodes, some of the bits are going to hit something.

I am not aware of a single case of proven child abuse in the UK which has involved [i]"the political and religious elite"[/i].

Let alone an example of child abuse which was [i]"central to the control structures"[/i].

He stayed with us once (my family home had all sorts of strange and wonderful people staying often) not long after he 'dropped out'. I remember my Dad recording a tape from a CD for him at the time and the stereo wouldn't work, he claimed electrical interference followed him around! Iirc the heads just needed a clean...

I think what you've got there is the law of averages. If a nail bomb explodes, some of the bits are going to hit something.

It's a good analogy, but flawed, as essentially, I know my onions and once you start peeling away at the layers, tears are guaranteed.

I am not aware of a single case of proven child abuse in the UK which has involved "the political and religious elite".

Let alone an example of child abuse which was "central to the control structures".

If you are ignorant in these matters in this day and age, it is through choice; I can't educate you if you don't want to be educated.

I can only suggest you do your research.

In mainstream terms, Cyril Smith (including Elm Guest House) and Bishop Peter Ball are as good a place to start as any, as is Kincora and the Mi5 link.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/northern-ireland/chris-moore-why-we-need-a-proper-investigation-into-kincora

Perhaps a better question to ask would be:

Are you aware of any proven cases of cover up of child abuse?

Soundbites of his are surprisingly frequent in contemporary "intelligent" rap music.

I would 99% attribute this occurance to "David Icke" on Netflix accidentally being found sitting on a Cannabis cloud.

When it is referenced, it's with such reverence as if he speaks "The real truth, maaaan."

I can only suggest you do your research.

In mainstream terms, Cyril Smith (including Elm Guest House) and Bishop Peter Ball are as good a place to start as any, as is Kincora and the Mi5 link.

You have persistently claimed that a high level pedophile ring has operated among what you now refer to as "the political and religious elite". Cyril Smith, a back bench MP from a small party who never in any government, cannot be described as having been part of "the political elite". I have no idea who Bishop Peter Ball was/is but he's clearly no Archbishop of Canterbury.

One MP and one clergyman does not provide evidence of a high level pedophile ring operating among "the political and religious elite".

Nor does it provide evidence for your bizarre claim that child abuse is, quote, [i]"central to the control structures"[/i] of the political and religious elite, whatever that means - it sounds very sinister but is also suitably vague enough not to actually mean anything, which I assume was your intention.

Blimey, the main evidence I'm presented with so far is vitriol.

So, not prepared to do your research, but quite prepared to belittle my contribution...

What am I to do?

Tell you what, I'll post this Leon Brittan video again, bearing in mind Cyril Smith, Nicholas Fairbairn (who had an affair with Esther Rantzen of Childline Fame) and Jimmy Savile among others were also linked to Elm Guest House:

Of course, having spent the time to read the links regarding Fiona Woolf, you will be aware she is a fairly close acquaintance of the Brittans. Studying the photo may also be beneficial.

Then supplement it with other developments regarding Leon Brittan, aside from the 114 missing files in the home office.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11194280/Labour-MP-is-condemned-for-linking-Leon-Brittan-to-child-abuse.html

http://www.****/news/article-2813472/Backing-MP-linked-Brittan-sex-claims-Commons-Colleague-defends-Jim-Hood-comments-saying-right-speak-out.html

And yes, I have taken the time to ensure all MPs mentioned in the article are aware of the video, as well as Nick Clegg, on numerous occasions, but strangely, no libel claims have surfaced...

Tell you what, as a bonus, here is the audio of the interview with the customs officer:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1z48WVsd1M8

NEXT!!

the main evidence I'm presented with so far is vitriol.

Well, we held hands once, but his skin was a bit clammy:

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So, not prepared to do your research, but quite prepared to belittle my contribution...

That's because your contribution is always the same.

Someone is always "linked" to someone else (but no proof of anything)

There is always a picture of someone with someone else (but no proof of anything)

Basically loads of insinuations (but no proof of anything)

Some people abuse kids, some of those people happen to be famous, loads of others aren't.

Blimey, the main evidence I'm presented with so far is vitriol.

What's that supposed to mean ?

You haven't provided any evidence to back up your claim of a high level pedophile ring among the political and religious elite.

So you've found a politician and a clergyman who might have been nonces, so what ? There will be nonces among teachers and doctors and policemen and butchers and bakers and candlestick makers. Which proves what ? I'll tell you what it proves - that just anyone can be a nonce.

.....Jimmy Savile among others were also linked to Elm Guest House:

I thought Jimmy Savile was a DJ, not part of the political and religious elite ?

And what's this suppose to mean ? :

Nicholas Fairbairn (who had an affair with Esther Rantzen of Childline Fame)

Is having an affair with Esther Rantzen illegal ? Does it prove that the person is a pedophile ? What exactly ?

And you still haven't explained what you mean by your bizarre claim that "child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite". What control structures ? What does that mean ?

Hang on, I think I know what your answer to that question is .......[i]"do your own research".[/i] That's right isn't it ?

Because jivehoneyjive you like to darkly suggest all sorts of sinister conspiracies and throw names about but not actually substantiate anything, because of course you can't. So your get-out clause is "do your own research".

That's because your contribution is always the same.

Your contribution is always the same; irresponsibly disregarding the blatant cover up of child abuse within government.

It appears on principle you are determined to disagree...

I've provided plenty of evidence, but somehow, it doesn't meet your requirements.

If you're too lazy to follow it up yourself, consider these points
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[b]There are several victims, careworkers, police officers and ex members of the intelligence services all of whom tell a similar story.

All of the inquiries conducted so far have left all parties above stating there has been a cover up.

Files go missing from the home office and the police 'lose' Jimmy Saviles diaries.

The Home Office (who have been complict in a cover up on Jersey), not to mention the aforementioned lost files, recruit 2 unsuitable chairs for the current inquiry, the latest of whom is closely linked to the Home Secretary who is not only linked to the lost files but by several accounts was in fact deeply involved in the abuse itself.[/i]
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One day I'll finish my multi fangled mind map linking it all together in it's vast horrific entirety in an easily understood format, but for now, you're just going to have to use your noggin and trust me; I don't enjoy all this unnecessary confrontation, but I do believe it is of sufficient gravity to endure unfounded hostility.

At the end of the day, I'm the one trying to protect kids... what are you trying to achieve?

One day I'll finish my multi fangled mind map linking it all together in it's vast horrific entirety in an easily understood format, but for now, you're just going to have to use your noggin.

Oh you're such a tease. You have all the information and the facts but won't reveal it all just yet. 🙄

At the end of the day, I'm the one trying to protect kids...

Yes of course you are. How about passing all this compelling evidence to the police ?

Wait, don't tell me......you can't because the police are part of the conspiracy ?

Your contribution is always the same; irresponsibly disregarding the blatant cover up of child abuse within government.

If it was so blatant, you would be able to provide actual evidence rather than the same old trot every time.

It appears on principle you are determined to disagree...

I do tent to disagree with bullshit yes.

It's a weakness of mine.

I've provided plenty of evidence, but somehow, it doesn't meet your requirements.

Correct.

Because it's not "evidence"

If you're too lazy to follow it up yourself..

Yes, obviously that's the issue here 🙄

I don't suppose it's crossed your mind that I might have "followed it up" and decided you are talking bollox ?

At the end of the day, I'm the one trying to protect kids... what are you trying to achieve?

There you go.

Trying to insinuate that I'm somehow part of the problem ?

Nice.

Dudes, have a lovely night, and think it through...

why would I pursue this with such fervor if I wasn't certain of my claims.

I don't suppose it's crossed your mind that I might have "followed it up" and decided you are talking bollox ?

Perhaps you have, but all that would really suggest is you are a rubbish detective. 😉

Maybe you're still pissed because all you ever wanted as a kid was a Jim'll Fix It badge (I know I did)

Wait, don't tell me......you can't because the police are part of the conspiracy ?

Will you bother to read this link?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28316874

Whatsmore, there was what appears to have been a sex dungeon in a Lambeth Police station:

https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/the-lambeth-police-station-sex-chamber/

Funnily enough John Mann MP (who was a councillor in Lambeth at the time and one of the good guys) is ensuring this investigation is reopened and pursued.

Research it, I dare you...

Being in denial/sweeping it under the carpet isn't the same as being part of pedophile ring/conspiracy.

As I've said previously, when it comes to pedophilia denial/sweeping it under the carpet/pretending it never happened/too horrific to admit that it might have happened, occurs at every level of society, right down to family level.

You make categorical claims of a very high level pedophile ring/conspiracy involving the 'political and religious elite'. Which is quite different.

You also claim that "child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite" and yet despite my repeated requests you refuse to explain what you mean by "control structures".

Your lack of explanation is making it very clear that you have no idea what you mean by "control structures" and presumably used the term because it sounds rather sinister.

jivehoneyjive - Member

Nicholas Fairbairn (who had an affair with Esther Rantzen of Childline Fame)

Ah well, in THAT case...

why would I pursue this with such fervor if I wasn't certain of my claims.

I've got this strange picture in my head of jivehoney selecting a box of floppy discs from a fire proof safe and getting his posts in order for a mega Copy/Paste battle. To be fair, it's not all the same, we haven't seen the Bruno pic where you know he looks at somebody and the pedo vibe is willed across space and time

Dudes, have a lovely night, and think it through...

People have, and in general aren't prepared to condemn others as members of an organised pedophile ring without compelling evidence.

...unless they smell like hammers.

Well yeh, but that goes without saying.

I do tent to disagree with bullshit yes.

It's a weakness of mine.

why would I pursue this with such fervor if I wasn't certain of my claims

I have no idea what you think that BBC link proves but it is some way short of a conspiracy

"It appeared that certainly people didn't trust the Metropolitan Police Service, and I think the Metropolitan Police Service possibly didn't trust some of the people that it was working with."
Did he fear he was stopped from investigating the Lambeth claims because he suspected more than one politician was involved in child abuse?

He replied: "At the time I just felt that it was all too uncomfortable to a lot of people."

After Mr Driscoll said he was moved, police continued to look at more than 20 children's homes.

Investigations are still ongoing and there have been several convictions.

I can't possibly convey all the information I have on the matter, as there is just too much to comprehend in one sitting.

However, as I mentioned:

Whatsmore, there was what appears to have been a sex dungeon in a Lambeth Police station:

https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/the-lambeth-police-station-sex-chamber/

That in itself should ring alarm bells... it's well documented that in cases up and down the country, Mi5 have intervened to halt investigations into powerful abusers.

Here is MP John Mann's take, as previously mentioned, he was a councillor in Lambeth:

http://www.johnmannmp.com/corridors-of-power?Entry=21d3507c-678d-7db4-9564-0c9b4e61bdae

The names being bandied around are indeed members of the political elite, much like Elm Guest House and Kincora, which both have several accounts of being used by the intelligence services for filming and blackmail purposes (a control mechanism if you will).

There is a fair bit of evidence implicating Lord Mountbatten in abuse at Kincora.

Lord Mountbatten introduced Jimmy Savile to the Royal Family in the 60s and they were close from that time until his death in 2011.

I can't possibly convey all the information I have on the matter, as there is just too much to comprehend in one sitting.

It's not an all or nothing affair, is it. "Any" would be a start.

Posting a photograph of $famousPerson meeting Jimmy Savile and going "how's about this then" isn't proof, it's the sort of thing that makes for Daily Mail headlines. Pick up your average DM and the lead story might be "DOES CINNAMON CURE CANCER?" and then when you read the article the conclusion is that no, it doesn't. The whole process is an effort in attention seeking, in the DMs case it's to sell papers and, increasingly, advertising clickbait.

Any halfwit can trawl through the Internet finding links to things and people. Triumphantly regurgitating it elsewhere with the cast iron argument of "makes you think, doesn't it" doesn't make you Columbo, it makes you a stone bonker. If you stood in a courtroom and your best prosecution was "you're just going to have to use your noggin and trust me," what do you think the reaction would be?

Wy should we "do the research" if you have all the facts? Just tell us.

You need to understand as well, that the people here who are questioning you about your, let's be generous and say "theories," aren't saying the diametric opposite has to be true. No-one is asserting that politicians, radio DJs or for that matter any other demographic you care to mention are all whiter than white. There will a minority of bad eggs wherever you look, abusing positions of power to take advantage of the vulnerable.

But, this is a world apart from "child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite." If you're going to make that claim - and for all I know it could be true - you're going to have to back that up with some seriously compelling evidence.

John Mann's take,

Rather than trying to pursue a huge wealth of evidence which you wouldn't read and which would bore you, lets make this simple:

Look at the news today...

Fiona Woolf, close acquaintance of Leon Brittan (see video and links above, including audio of interview with customs officer i.e. evidence), colluded with the Home Office (who are in charge of the Police and Mi5) editing a letter attempting to play down her association with Leon Brittan.

That is not conjecture (though conjecture is an essential part of detective work), that is fact.

https://audioboom.com/boos/2608342-home-office-colluded-to-hide-fiona-woolf-s-links-to-leon-brittan-simon-danczuk?

Despite all this, Downing Street still fully back Fiona Woolf, though David Cameron promised 'there will be no stone unturned'

This year 2 downing street workers, Patrick Rock (David Camerons deputy director of Policy) and Hans Sebastian Crump (an IT worker within the Cabinet Office) were both charged with child abuse images.

Meanwhile there have been multiple officers leading the investigations into the high level paedophile ring acting within Westminster, who have mysteriously have stepped down.

For some reason, the most recent; DCI Paul Settle, also happened to be a Royal Protection Officer.

Given that so far, there are around 200 charges that go unprosecuted:

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5348/scotland-yard-delays-200-charges-over-claims-of-child-sex-abuse

In the bigger scheme of things,

It's not me you should be asking questions;

why don't you turn your attention to pursuing answers from the home office?

why don't you turn your attention to pursuing answers from the home office?

Because you claim to already have them.

Whatsmore, there was what appears to have been a sex dungeon in a Lambeth Police station:
> https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/the-lambeth-police-station-sex-chamber/

When you say "what appears to be" what do you mean exactly ?

There must be some EVIDENCE of it surely.

You provided a link to PROVE what you are saying was true didn't you.

On no wait, I read your link and all it confirmed was ....... Nothing.

The investigation found ..... Nothing
The Freedom of information request found ..... Nothing

In fact, all that was proved, was there is indeed a small room in that building. Wow.

Not only that, it's not even a building used by Police officers!
It's a building used entirely by Civilian Clerical support staff.

And all that information is from a link YOU provided,
And you provided it to prove that high ranking police officers had a Sex Dungeon under a police station that was used to abuse kids and produce child pornography.

Even by your standards, that's poor "evidence" 🙄

Do you think it's appropriate that given the allegations against Leon Brittan, that an acquaintance of his should lead the investigation?

Is it appropriate that the Home Office, who has a vested interest in preventing wrongdoings being exposed, has helped cover up the conflict of interest of the inquiry panel chair they chose without outside consultation?

re: jivehoneyjive.

I'd rather you didn't post on the chat forum tbh, EVERY single time the threads just get dragged down the same direction, it's annoying and boring.

I'm not sure what the rules are for getting banned. You're not a premium member, so not contributing financially to this outfit. I've never seen you strike a chord with anyone. Didn't Kaesae get the chop for being a stuck record?

Sorry if that offends, it's not personal, just my opinion. 😐

You don't need to get involved or read JHJ's contributions. Freedom of speech applies equally to the people you don't like and who say things you'd rather not hear.

I'd rather you didn't post on the chat forum tbh, EVERY single time the threads just get dragged down the same direction, it's annoying and boring.

Really? I find him quite entertaining tbh. Please don't ban him.

Really, still? An interesting thread about the poppies at the Tower of London becomes a conspiracy about the Queen starting wars. Maybe it's just me, perhaps I'm one of THEM. 8)

I can't possibly convey all the information I have on the matter, as there is just too much to comprehend in one sitting.

You could, I dunno, hire Wembley stadium? Make a day of it?

Really? I find him quite entertaining tbh. Please don't ban him.

That's very kind mogrim, sometimes I feel like a honeybadger fending off a pride of lions.

If nothing else, this is the verbal equivalent of gladiatorial times.

I challenge any of you to a rap battle.

That'll settle it.

Pictonroad, let's see ya...

I challenge any of you to a rap battle.

You might as well do just that.

Because you don't bother replying to any specific criticism of the "evidence" you provide to back up your accusations.

If nothing else, this is the verbal equivalent of gladiatorial times.

Never mind all this nonce-sense. Lets cut to the chase here. Has anyone categorically proved that David Cameron isn't a lizard?

Has anyone categorically proved that David Cameron isn't a lizard?

Actually, I've been investigating this*. All the evidence seems to suggest that he is!!!

* Google image search: https://www.google.es/search?q=david+cameron+lizard&safe=off&client=ubuntu-browser&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=g3lTVKWTGc_jaOHtgLgN&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=683

Strange that you should pick one small piece of the puzzle, out of context

On no wait, I read your link and all it confirmed was ....... Nothing.

The investigation found ..... Nothing
The Freedom of information request found ..... Nothing

So, of itself, that information would indeed suggest there was nothing to worry about but questions which need to be asked to ascertain the validity of that information:

Who did the investigation?

Who was responsible for the freedom of information request?

Given that precedents have been set for corruption in both the police and the home office can those sources be trusted?

in the wider context of other allegations surrounding Lambeth, you'd be foolish to blindly accept the official story.

See you're a bit shy of taking me on in the rap arena... 😉

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All these gladiator references, the constant talking about paedophiles...

The evidence is pretty clear, I'd say. All this talk is just to put us off the scent.

Strange that you should pick one small piece of the puzzle, out of context

I clicked a link you provided, regarding a "story" you brought up without being prompted.

You will have to explain to me how that is "out of context" 🙄

So, of itself, that information would indeed suggest there was nothing to worry about but questions which need to be asked to [b]ascertain the validity of that information[/b]:

And have you done that ??

No.

Who did the investigation?

No you, so your not happy, right ?

Who was responsible for the freedom of information request?

See above.

Given that precedents have been set for corruption in both the police and the home office can those sources be trusted?

Find some [b]actual evidence[/b] to [b]prove[/b] them wrong then.

You are the one who's claiming to have so much evidence that we couldn't possible digest it all.

I'm only asking for one bit here.

in the wider context of other allegations surrounding Lambeth, you'd be foolish to blindly accept the official story.

In the wider context of almost everything you say being bullshit, I'd be foolish to blindly accept anything you say ?

I'd rather you didn't post on the chat forum tbh, EVERY single time the threads just get dragged down the same direction, it's annoying and boring.

That's a bit harsh!

It is a thread about David Icke so crazy conspiracy theories are quite at home.

FWIW IMHO there has been some cover ups and there is definitely some high profile people who must be pretty worried at the moment.

What if nealglover and pictonroad are freemasons!!

Everything is becoming clear 😆

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Oh Lord My God, is there no help for the widows son! 😉

Move along laddy, Jim ain't gonna fix this one...

Still no comment on the "not in a police station, non sex dungeon" ?

It's the only one of your links I clicked on, and it wasn't even backing up what you claimed.

Didn't Kaesae get the chop for being a stuck record?

He got the chop for continually making personal insults and attacks despite many, many warnings to reign it in.