[Closed] David Cameron quits

@kimbers you need to factor in availability and cost of credit. When I bought my first house the mortgage rate was 10%, when my parents bought their first house you had to save for a number of years and then go into the mortgage queue with that building society (from what I recall house was £1,500 and he made £350pa). House prices have been supporting significantly by the level of immigration, we need 200,000 new homes a year or roughly £50 billion worth - we are not building those either way (private or state) so the prices are rising where the jobs are.

Clod you really are deliberately missing the point if you are trying to suggest that Australia's treatment of the indigenous population is relevant to today's immigration policy. I will accept in the 60's when it was basically whites only it wast great but not now. Now they take more people pa than the UK into a population approx 40% of the size and do so in a focused skills based way. Also it's quite hard to get a passport. It's clearly a success. We'll come back to my point that nowhere else in the world has freedom of movement, that's because it's a cr.p idea in such a diverse group of nations. The real strains in the EU have come about after the more recent rapid expansion of the last 10+ years.

I'll try to give you an explanation of what I'm on about, THM, as I think you're struggling to understand.

The best way to deal with unemployment, for example, is to provide jobs. Obviously.

The way unemployment is currently dealt with, is by forcing people into zero hour contracts, and by sanctioning people so that they are no longer receiving jobseeker benefits, and are thus removed from the official unemployment figures. The reality will be that less people are effectively employed in terms of being able to fully provide for themselves and their families, and the burden to the welfare system isn't actually lessened, in many cases, it just gets larger as more in-work benefits have to be paid.

So, a government could claim it's reduced unemployment (hurray!), but the reality will be that the actual situation isn't any better, and in many cases, now even worse.

So it wins votes because it's 'reduced unemployment'. But society hasn't got any better, and might have got worse. This is why you have to look beyond mere statistics and figures. To the reality that lies beyond the numbers.

This is just one simplified example. There are many, many more. That prove why Cameron and the tories have been such an abject failure in their duty to serve the best interests of our society.

Hope this makes things clearer for you.

How about not entirely relying on 'official' stats and figures, which are invariably manipulated/distorted to suit whatever government at the time needs them to say?

Do you understand how economic data is collated in the UK and by whom?

How about actually opening your eyes and seeing the reality of what's going on?

Not everyone has your gift clod.

How about not reducing everything down to basic economics and numbers?

Yes, lets ignore inconvenient facts that falsify your narrative

And if you want some stats and figures,

Hang on, we have given up on those...

Kimbers above has some for you, plus there's the reality of housing costs being an increasing proportion of income for most people.

Go on then you old tease. True, pretty risky to buy a house these days and odd that "state planning" is artificially propping the bloody prices up. Imagine what might happened if they normalised interest rates to where they should be? Good job they dont believe in free markets eh?

I agree. It's nice for some folk to give a couple of hours a week of their time to charitable causes, so they've got something to pat themselves on the back about, and gain the approval of their peers, but some of us think it takes a little bit more than that...

I will pass your sentiments on, but doubt they will be well received.

edit: thank you for your comments on the UK labour market. Given that people on ZHCs represent less than 3% of the workforce and for some of that vast number it is their choice, I will give you analysis an appropriate level of attention.

"Clod you really are deliberately missing the point if you are trying to suggest that Australia's treatment of the indigenous population is relevant to today's immigration policy. I will accept in the 60's when it was basically whites only it wast great but not now. Now they take more people pa than the UK into a population approx 40% of the size and do so in a focused skills based way. Also it's quite hard to get a passport. It's clearly a success."

😯

My head's actually starting to hurt with just how blinkered and deluded you are. I'm off out. Hopefully someone else can pick up the baton and deal with this latest bit of delusion.

th of diabetic ex squad die David, who's benefits were cut off meaning the electricity ran out and his insulin wasn't refrigerated, he was found dead with a stack of Cv's written out ready to be sent, £3 quid in his bank and a tin of tuna in the cupboards

That can't be right - there is no austerity. THM said so!

Which is why his missus spends her free time helping out the victims of non-austerity.

Hopefully someone else can pick up the baton and deal with this latest bit of delusion.

Clod hopefully your trip out will have cleared your head and enabled you to explain to me why Australia's (or Canada or US) controlled immigration systems are so bad and have not been successful. Asking for help from STW is pointless if the only responder is Junkyard who doesn't even try and make a token effort.

The use of zero-hours contracts has become excessive imo although I do know people who are happy with thm but thats for "part-time plus" work. We are clearly creating lots of attractive jobs if net migration is in the 300,000 with half that from the EU. I suspect there are very many Eastern Europeans eager to take a zero hours contract than a low paid job at home.

IMO people on benefits imo has become necessary, as I have posted before I have stood behind a lad saying he can't be bothered to apply for a job advertised in the convenience store we where in as the wages would come straight off his benefits. The US system is brutal, 2 years max claim then zero.

@jamba...is that all the evidence you need to have a viewpoint..'i heard this lad in a queue say once.....'....haha priceless , that level of thought explain alot.... 😀

That prove why Cameron and the tories have been such an abject failure in their duty to serve the best interests of our society.

Other views are available of course.

Dr, don't worry, you just confusing basic concepts. A glass of water and some Paracetamol will probably do the trick. But even that might be confusing symptoms and causes"

token gesture
an action or a decision that is so small or inconsequential as to be only symbolic

Idiom dictionary for the troll please

The use of zero-hours contracts has become excessive imo

At less than 3% of the workforce? I guess that's the trouble with headlines...

If 3 % of the population was starving to death or dying in winter due to cold would you call that figure excessive?

It really depends on what we are measuring

So people are using food banks and having their benefits cut due to government largesse. Of course. How silly of me not to realise.

This is why we're truly up the creek. Pathetic tribal point scoring based on facts which are managed depending on which side of an ideological divide you randomly support.

Its not really everyone knows the govt has pulled back on spending and it has had obvious effects in many areas of life

Thm argues otherwise and it cannot be a for a political reason as he is definitely neutral and not a Tory

So people are using food banks and having their benefits cut due to government largesse. Of course. How silly of me not to realise.

Doing anything about it?

This is why we're truly up the creek. Pathetic tribal point scoring based on facts which are managed depending on which side of an ideological divide you randomly support.

No people avoid referring to facts produced by independent bodies because they don't support their chosen narrative.

As we saw with Brexit, we are up the creek because the truth and facts no longer matter.