So I know he’s trying to make a statement about racism in football but how can you possibly have empathy with someone who tries to use this as part of his argument?
"When countries get fined what I probably spend on a night out in London what do you expect?"
Romania recently fined £44,000, Russia £22,000.
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Tossy way to make it but fair point all the same.
Given the amount of money in football those fines do seem trivial, regardless of Danny Rose's spending habits.
Given the amount of money in football those fines do seem trivial, regardless of Danny Rose’s spending habits.
I'm sure google has the answer somewhere but regardless of the cash sloshing around in the premier league do you really think the annual income of the Romanian FA is more than a couple of Danny Rose's quiet nights in?
Why raise the ridiculous amounts footballers are paid now? Surely the issue is that we treat racism so trivially
So I know he’s trying to make a statement about racism in football but how can you possibly have empathy with someone who tries to use this as part of his argument?
I didn't find it at all hard to be empathetic. I'm comfortably off and have never had thousands of people abusing me because of my skin colour.
Would you like it if national governing bodies in your field of expertise were fined a day or two worth of your salary for the racism of it’s members?
I'm also more worried about the rascism.
Fifa need to impose proper sanctions& education on serial nation offenders.
I reckon If I earned as much as him I could & would! easily spend 20K on a night out in London.
The issue is racism, until someone has the balls to stand up and properly make a point about it then unfortunately it will continue, kick offending countries out of the competition, ban them from playing at home and no travelling fans etc. Hit the majority (the genuine football supporter) and they will turn on the minority (the racists) and then we may get somewhere.
”how can you possibly have empathy ”
Errrm...because he is frequently racially abused for no other reason than being successful and back. I couldn't care less if someone earns 1 million pounds a week or is unemployed, nobody should be subject to racism.
I wouldn’t take it literally, he was just emphasising how little they’re punished rather than how much he spends on a Saturday night.
He is racially abused to the point where he cannot wait to leave football.
It doesn't matter what they earn or how much they spend. What matters is that he is being racially abused when he is representing his country and playing in front of crowds in the UK. Its unacceptable. I am sure none of us have to go about our day jobs with the occasional racial slur being aimed at us.
I'm really glad these guys are coming out and reminding us it's not all fixed.
https://www.kickitout.org/pages/faqs/category/reporting-statistics
Even though the UK is doing better we still have out problems here.
Exactly - the issue is racism. Why did he think that telling everyone he’ll spunk £20k on a night out when it is an equally abstract figure for us normal people. Why not say ‘when countries get fined more than most people in the UK earn in a year’
how can you possibly have empathy
He's being personally abused in the most knuckle-dragging way imaginable, and the sanctions against those doing it are either patheticaly weak or simply non-existant
How would you fancy being constantly abused while just doing your job? The fact he's a footballer is neither here nor there. Nobody should have to endure that
Why not say ‘when countries get fined more than most people in the UK earn in a year'
Saying that would imply they are getting fined a lot, when in fact the fines are insignificant to the money sloshing around football.
I think you are missing the point somewhat - it's not a humblebrag about how much someone spends on a night out, it's the disgust that nothing is being done & the fines are a pittance & really don't make any difference.
They need to bring in actual punishments that are deterrents. It's not good enough at the moment.
It's a fair point about the uneven distribution of money in football. £44k for the Romanian FA might be the equivalent of £1m for the English FA which is awash with cash. I completely see Rose's point and think that a better and more fairer sanction is points deductions, bans or closed-door matched. Montenegro's fans wont care less if their FA is fined. To Rose, a five figure fine doesn't mean anything, that's not his fault. Imagine being at the peak of your game, having worked your bollocks off to land your dream job and just wanting to walk away from it all. It may well be an overreaction to make a point, but he's done it well.
It seems to go far deeper than just fan abuse though. Moise Kean abuse
I think that Danny Rose's comments were absolutely spot on (even the mention of money) and we shouldn't get into the conversation of money too much since it detracts from the issue. Personally I'd like to see referees stop games and clubs/international teams docked the points from games for racist abuse. That has more impact on clubs than money.
Although the way some other countries deal with racism is very poor. Look at the comments in the Italian media this week after the abuse of the Juventus player Keen. Some shameful comments.
Years ago the CFO of a company I worked for (odious little man) was part of the racist abuse of Sol Campbell when we went back to Spurs as an Arsenal player. It was sort of a landmark case and the odious CFO got a custodial sentence. That's treating this sort of racism seriously.
They should start docking points, so that it actually made a real difference to their revenues and league positions. They'd soon do something about it if it meant qualifying for an international tournament or not, or a lower league position
Or work out what the combined gate income and TV rights amounted to and fine them that
Why did he think that telling everyone he’ll spunk £20k on a night out
How very dare he!
I completely see Rose’s point and think that a better and more fairer sanction is points deductions, bans or closed-door matched.
This.
Banning clubs or countries from competitions would focus people's minds more effectively.
Get proof (not difficult these days) and ban them from the whole competition, and next year too. It's disgusting and is creeping back into all walks of life, due to many reasons, but it needs to properly dealt with.
As for Danny's comments on them being fined the same as a night out in London, have you been out to town recently? The cost of a pint is just mad these days, so he probably just bought a couple of rounds - contactless is dangerous in a pub. Unless you go to Wetherspoon's of course, which is where you will find most of the purveyors of fine prejudice such as that directed towards Danny. The irony.
He is racially abused to the point where he cannot wait to leave football.
...What matters is that he is being racially abused when he is representing his country
What makes racial abuse so very much worse than all the other abuse that is considered 'normal' in football?
Spurs are traditionally subject to anti-semetism (hissing to simulate the gas chambers FFS), indoor 5 a side leagues I've seen the ref is subject to hate from the players and primary school kids on saturday having f-bombs and c-bombs screamed at them by parents and screaming the same at each other.
What is it about football that hideous behaviour is not just tolerated but expected?
If Danny Rose was not racially abused, but just generally abused, it wouldn't be in the news as 'it's part of the game'
Why?
I think you are missing the point somewhat – it’s not a humblebrag about how much someone spends on a night out, it’s the disgust that nothing is being done & the fines are a pittance & really don’t make any difference.
Personally I think you’re all missing the point. Banning clubs, docking points or issuing fines to football associations won’t stop racism. The person in the stand watching Danny play and abusing him racially will just be the person sitting at home, after being banned, abusing him racially instead. It’s no good just saying ‘it’s wrong’ without the education behind it to show those less enlightened ‘why’ it’s wrong. And let’s not fool ourselves that it’s just a football issue.
What makes racial abuse so very much worse than all the other abuse that is considered ‘normal’ in football?
Under the Equality Act there are 9 protected characteristics including disability, gender, religion and "race", some characteristics are more obvious than others. You can't really change the colour of your skin if you're black, you can hide a crucifix but people are obviously black whilst going to the shops or on the pitch. The level of discrimination black people face is shocking, by 5yrs old my kid was trying to whiten their skin to try to fit in, by 6 they wanted to die.
The abuse is all relevant and is no worse than the those discriminated on religion, it's more consistent though. It's the unfair treatment in by teachers, it's the nasty comments from peers, it's looks they get in shops, it's the names shouted across the street, it's the monthly stop and search, it's not getting the job because you don't have the blonde hair and St Tropez orange glow. It's the verbal and physical abuse they face daily, that's why. Nobody is saying that another group don't have hard time, all abuse and discrimination should be treated as intolerable
Why did he think that telling everyone he’ll spunk £20k on a night
or, you know, using hyperbole to describe how ridiculously small the fines are?
And let’s not fool ourselves that it’s just a football issue.
So are you saying that means football doesn't have to deal with it?
No, not at all, but I suspect you already know that.
Nobody is saying that another group don’t have hard time, all abuse and discrimination should be treated as intolerable
I'm not saying a group is having a hard time, it's all football, from top to bottom. The hate, the tribalism, the abuse
What is it about the game that brings that sort to watch and play? Is it just it's the lowest common denominator?
Well done in fighting discriminatory attitudes by tarring every football fan with the same brush.
Was that deliberate to highlight the stupidity of discrimination?
Spurs are traditionally subject to anti-semetism
If a Jewish player is subjected to anti-Semitic chanting then it's racist abuse.
I agree with watty
We need to educate societies small minority of racists rather than simply telling them this is unacceptable.
Racism is still engraned in society. It is in the grand scheme of things a small amount of time ago that racism was not a minority in society the same as homosexuaility wasn't as accepted in the 70's like it is today.
I'm sure with continued education society will one day look back with horror at racism but until then it's down to us to keep pushing for the right thing .
I'm personally racially abused everyday in the building trade and its so engrained in them it's frightening but it's less than 1% of the people .now 20 years ago it was far worse more than 50% of the people who were racially abusive.
Danny rose comments on country's and clubs getting fined less than he spends on a night out is just typical of someone who is so far out of touch with reality due to the vast sums of money that is in football it had nothing to do with been black or white.he just like racists needs educating.
Some very depressing viewpoints here..
It's racial abuse, the comment about Danny's wage isn't the important bit. FIFA aren't giving a toss, they need to kick out the teams from a competition. Also the BBC need to film it and show it and not mute the chanting. The BBC are a public service broadcaster and this is in the public interest to know that footy hooligans are still present