[Closed] Dance music genre help

Sounds like it could be Dub Step to me..

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definately not a dub anything genre, no real bass line just a real nasty kick

actually it could have been a little faster, like 140bpm

speedcore and hardcore are fast - minimum 160bpm (gabber and terrorcore over 180). 140bpm is old-school trance speed - some Goa goes slightly slower. hard trance generally in the 145-155 ballpark.

the lack of hoovers and breakdowns suggest that it wasn't hard house (does anyone play proper hard house any more?). assuming that the speed was in fact at least 140bpm, what you're describing is remarkably reminiscent of Dutch Hardstyle. very popular in harder European clubs at the moment and often featuring "evil" vocals. either that, or some new industrial house sub-genre has emerged!

uplifting goan deathcore?

Jaycore? Lots of people in tight spandex all in one numbers? Defo Jaycore.

i'd got to hardstyle on yootoob and it's about the closest i've been so far.

it may have been a bit faster, i'm a bit crap at bpm that that early in the morning.

I'd like to hear a new industrial-house genre but Dave Clark kinda did that for a bit 5 or 6 years ago (also Dave Terrida?)

xxxc core?

so now we've got a ball park music wise, can anyone explain to me why despite NOT spending 8 hours on saturday night taking phet and most of sunday taking valium like i'm eating smarties, I feel somehow dirtied by being in close range of the event. 2 of us felt the same, kind of like we'd been there (if the weather had been better we might even have dropped in to visit, we got half way up the field then gave up). Was it because we both knew what state they'd be in (probably both been in similar states in our yoof)?

Everyone knows that skiffle'n'bass is where it's at.

I steered well clear of the industrial house scene in my youth and yootoobing Dave Tarrida has just vindicated my decision...

he used to be a straight up Industrial DJ but (so the story goes) my mad mate Alicia introduced hum to techno 😯

Dave Clarke played this track at a night in london once and it certainly sorted the real music appreciators from the 'lets go out and take pills' crowd

He opened with Front 242 though which to be honest let them know what was coming 😆

Probably 'doomcore' like the old German PCP/Cold Rush records style from around 1992/93, a few tracks still get made in this style though ya just can't imitate the old stuff 🙂

This thread is giving me terrifying ex-girlfriend flashbacks. 😕

This should help you with your genres:

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Easy when you know where to look!

thats handy tootall, but i cant seem to track gangstagrass?
is that not classified as electronic?

I have no idea what you were listening to, but having spent most of Saturday morning listening to not-very good minimal house in a seedy east London club I came to the conclusion that "it's a shame there aren't more tunes in it".

Ketamine is to blame I think, perhaps it's the same with the crusties?

furry marmot - When you say 'proper hard house' do you mean the really good stuff from the days of TdV at Trade etc which essentially was what it said on the tin, harder house music. I fell into harder house a few years after my musical awaking, 'The Gas Club' in Swiss Square, David Morales b2b with Frankie Knuckles, ah happy days.....

i'd put proper hard house like tidy tracks/lisa pinup kinda thing? Tony de-vit/fergie etc were slightly funkier as was lisa lashes.

hard[b]er[/b] house goes in the deep house genre 😆

mmw - It depends when you cut you hard house teeth as to which sort you'd consider 'proper' hard house. As I touched on, when hard house first became its own sub-genre it was exactly what the name suggested it was, harder house music. This was the music played by TdV, Paul Kershaw, Nick Rafferty, Ian M etc in now legendary hard house nights that I used to go to such as Trade and Sundissential. Retrospectively some would call that sort of hard house 'deep house', especially anyone hearing early stuff on the Trade label for the first time now, but thats because the hard house genre has changed so much. Through the bouncy goodness of 'the Tidy years' (the years in which Lashes etc became more well known) into the funky hard house years (remember all the 'Try Hards'?) and depressing techno 'hard dance' phase to where it is now, in clubs such as Storm, tip-toeing between the original hard house and the bouncy.

hmmm

I guess I always distinguished between what the like of lisa lashes played at the nights (days) like insomniacs and the harder house that matt hardwick (i think) played upstairs at crasher, that always used to spoil my buzz when i went to the bar to buy a bottle of water 🙂

god knows why hardcore is so popular, i had the chance to work at a couple of Hardcore til i die events this year. I didn't bother

tootalls link is genius by the way 😆

Sounds like it may be Schranz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schranz

(where was the dh track/ rave?)

could be

i've got a bit of chris liebing stuff and it's just darkish techno to me 😀

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they have 2 or 3 raves a year on the hill next door, been twice in two years and hit a rave both times 😆

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To be honest, the whole rising tone stuff has had the arse ripped right out it in the last couple of years by just about every genre so it could have been anything!

Nice 1 noteeth...

brilliant witty thread btw.

Don't have Nightmares (on Wax) staying awake to shoddy sinister rave now!

Tangent!

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Teeth!

Am just away too "Moots-Moots any Mnt."

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Another "might-ride"...

i've got a bit of chris liebing stuff and it's just darkish techno to me

Yeah, he rocks! He's playing the next Atomic Jam in Brum next month!

As for the music you heard -

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What an absolutely enjoyable post - the best on STW for a while now, especially the link to Ishkur's Guide - havent seen that for about 6 years now, forgot how enjoyable a peruse that is!

Also frightening to think I may well have seen a few people from this very forum during my yoof at 'crasher (i completely forgot about the 'try hards' until you mentioned those words!) and occasionally storm/passion, and even less occasionally, cream, sundissential, gods kitchen, golden, planet zogg and gawd knows where else, I've somehow forgot those hazy days!

sorry i can't help with music choice though 😉
jt 😉

Bloody Hell. This thread brings back memories of dark and dingy clubs in a bygone era. Specifically the Kandi club in Bristol back in the early nineties playing dark-electro, industrial. Loved Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, The Young Gods, My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult, Die Krupps. Then at the end of the night it was off to Mickey Finns.

franki

damn it, not been to a jam for years and that one is the week after my birthday, that weekend we've booked a hotel in the peaks 🙁

I could probably work on it as well as the sound system is the same as HTID

damn

and last year 'I love techno' in Gent was on my 30th and i had to do family stuff

god is conspiring to make me act my (ever increasing) age 👿

deluded - Did you ever go to 'Keranga' (sp?) in Bath? That was proper dingy! mmw - I used to love Insomniaz, either after Sundissential , round the corner at Code in Digbeth, Brum or jump in the car and drive to that car park in Shuff with the dodgy club underneath it.

and as i was trawling youtube i came across this gem about speecore 'you dance to this music by having a fit, or possibly several fits at the same time' 😆

jim - only ever went to insomniacs after crasher in sheffield, at the corporation. dodgiest club i'd ever been in.

used to go something like this:

6am - crasher carpark, 'something' to help relax

6.30am - sheffield bus station, discuss crashing out for first train with all the other casualties

6.31am - decide to got to isomniacs

6.45am - regret going to insomniacs as you sat on the sticky floor or leant against the dripping wet walls wondering why your redbull tasted funny and there was a 6'2" tranny with a rubber ponytail dancing with a 16 year old girl in loon boots and a bikini.

6.50am - purchase counter measures from 8ft wide Polish bouncers

7.10am - all good again on the trance floor with my mate Jason on the decks

8am - go for a wonder and accidentaly end up in the funny purple back room with the domed roof and UV lights (all you could see was teeth)

12pm - decide that stopping now would be silly and head to Area51 where we'd last about 2 hours before our bodies just gave up and we'd get the train/crash in some randoms house

i've no idea how people do that after the age of 20 and still gunction as passable human beings!

the good thing was the complete lack of beer boys though.

sootyandjim,

I never went to the Keranga evenings but my mate Brett did I bit of DJ'n there. Meant to be good. When all that was going on I was up in London and missed out by the sounds of it.

Aye, the lack of beer boys was always a bonus at Insomz (and most other HH clubs). I ended up at a house party somewhere to the west of Shuff after Insomz once upon a time and apparently for some reason (must have been something I ate) I spent about 2 hours dancing in a corner 'stuck' behind a coffee table I couldn't work out how to get out from behind. Damn glass table, had some sort of dust on it too......

ah i had friends get 'stuck' under tables at bugged out for similar reasons. never fancied getting stuck in a [i]hole[/i] myself so left them too it.

Oh I wasn't in a hole, I never got that bad. Deluded - What London clubs did you go to? Clockwork Orange, Peach, Malibu Stacey, Gas Club?

sootyandjim,

Ministry, The Cross, Hanover Grand, a venue on Clapham High Street and another dive in Shoreditch that I can't remember.

Zero Gravity, Institute of Goa & Nuclear Free Zone.

Happy days 😀

Institute of Goa

I went to their New Years Eve party in some ropey squat in Dalston in about 1992 or 1993. Great party, but WORST TOILETS EVER.

I went to Karanga a few times when I lived in Bath in the late 90s... "dingy" is a great description but I still liked it! then I moved to Cambridge so More Tea Vicar, dvnc and Mr. Whippy (best night *ever*) were my regular fix.

I always thought of TdV as starting in [i]harder[/i] house, but then actually being responsible for the birth of [b]hard[/b] house (such as that pioneered by Tidy Trax and Nukleuz around the turn of the millennium). Tidy's stuff had more trancy influences, while Nukleuz often seemed to draw inspiration from the European techno scene. but however you try to classify him, TdV is a legend and it will always be one of my greatest regrets that I never saw him play live.

Losing myself in Ishkur's Guide again. It's been a while!

furry_marmot- I was lucky enough to see TdV quite regularly as I used top go to trade a fair bit. I was also privileged to be there on a certain Easter Bank Holiday in 1995 for 12 hours of joy a'la TdV.

He really was an outstanding DJ and producer, as well as a really nice guy to boot by all accounts. Always seemed to have loads of time for the people that paid his wages, a lesson some more modern DJs could do with learning.

BTW f_m, do you have the Global Underground CDs he did (Live in Tel Aviv and Live in Tokyo)? If not I could sort something out for you.

sootyandjim - I've already got both GU albums but thank you for the offer, I appreciate it. Disc 2 from Tokyo is one of my favourite mixes of all time - never fails to put a smile on my face!

can anyone explain to me why despite NOT spending 8 hours on saturday night taking phet and most of sunday taking valium like i'm eating smarties, I feel somehow dirtied by being in close range of the event. 2 of us felt the same, kind of like we'd been there

...I know where you're at there. I had a similar experience when I gave up pills. I continued to hang out with my hard-house mash-up friends at their hard-house mash-up parties, but I was always completely and utterly sober.

Nevertheless, I used to have this odd kindof 'empathic experience' if you like. I felt like I was on drugs, even though I wasn't; simply because all around me were completely off their faces. It was experiences like this that made me realise the whole drug-taking thing was completely unncessary - and probably a bit of a waste of time. 😀

no_eyed_dear - I know exactly what you are saying. I rarely 'dabble' these days as I have responsibilities that I can't ignore for a weekend while I recover, but if I go to places such as 'Storm' and stay completely sober all night by the end I often feel very euphoric, as if I'd been on the pills.

Its very weird but quite enjoyable too, but whilst I can have a good time without taking drugs I wouldn't cast judgment on those who do. I've had some great times in the past and without going too much into it someone I was under the care of within the medical profession has said that my period of 'self-medication' is very likely the reason I'm still here today.

f_m - Think I'll get that CD out and have a listen, 'tis a very good one.

I went to their New Years Eve party in some ropey squat in Dalston in about 1992 or 1993

I remember one in Dalston around that time, not New Years Eve though. Think it may have been an old snooker hall?

They'd been painting and decorating all through the day to get the place ready.

All the plaster melted off the walls during the night, we came out looking as though we'd been wading through the stuff 😀

I did the sober thing once at the Que Club in Birmingham...waste of a good night!

q-club was ok sober, Atomic Jam was always a pretty chilled out night until you got to about 4am and the sweaty top off meat heads hit the front. Flashback was a bit of a waste sober though apart from seeing BabyD live the first time the missus and I ever went out clubbing properly (actually that may not have been a dry night, my memory fails me on that one)

House of God however was a pretty scary place without some form of chemical enhancement.

Ooo, I was in the Que Club earlier this year for a Sundissential get together.

I was quite surprised, they did a good job and it felt just like it used to 'in the good old days'. 😉

That was until Madders got behind the booth with the mic and started slagging off half of hard house's movers and shakers. Similar to drunk dialing, using the mic when under the influence, not good.

Sonique was surprisingly good though considering she'd been out of the scene for quite a while.

Oh, GU TdV - Live in Tokyo, currently on 'Marmion - Schonenburg (TdV Mix), very good.

House of God however was a pretty scary place without some form of chemical enhancement.

lol, i've been going to house of god for years and never thought of it as a scary place. the music certainly can be full on ( esp with paul damage on the decks 😀 ) but full of the friendliest people.

the riff in Schoneburg is hauntingly awesome. such an improvement over the original. you'll probably be at the best track in the album about now, I reckon - Accelerator (Nuclear Hyde).

have just got headphones out at work. there are some advantages to working in a lab and largely being one's own boss...

disco_stu - mrsmw shared a house with the guys that started H.O.G and was a regular in the mid 90's

don't see surgeon and surreal (sp) around much now but very much liked their 'British Murder Boys' project a few years ago.

Accelerator (Nuclear Hyde)

I'm sure I have that on vinyl somewhere, Noom records (?)

Any of you remember the 3rd Eye lot from Birmingham too?

They put an ace night on at the Que, the 3rd Eye Ball...lots of costume and living statues etc.

Loved HoG also, been a long while since I went there.

sadly i moved to Birmingham about the time that it's clubbing scene was dyeing a death, went to a fair few Jams and a night run by our friend Liza who ran Psyclone (the clubbing wear shop opposite the Que Club).

Also used to go to the Rizzla Suite at Wobble a bit and then Fuel at Bobby Browns and that place near 5ways until we moved away

hog is still going but the nights are not quite as intense as the old days at the dance factory, most of the people going are too old for that now - me included 😀
btw you may ( or may not ) be interested to know theres one on the 31st of this month at the hare n hounds, kings heath with residents Surgeon, Sir real, Paul Damage etc

i'm sure mrsmw would like to go to another one but we used to bump into a lot of that crowd at various nights in brum and some of them are really not worth bumping in to, seems a 50/50 split between those that have moved on and done something with their lives and those that still live in some scummy squat and look a right state

apologies if you fit the second category 😆

mmw - Liza who ran Psyclone still runs a club night, though its a rather 'specialist' one (at least that if she is who I think it is).

'Scarlet' is held at Club DV8 every couple of months. Its not a bad night. I went to the first one she held in association with TG at Nightingales.

BTW. ex-Brum clubbers. What was that bedroom DJ hard house night held on a Thursday night in that dodgy rock pub (Decades?) called? I was trying to remember the other day, its where a mate of mine who still DJs (Dion) first started playing.

f_m - Spot on, thats where I was. I'm listening to the first disc now, 'Funkhole - Tryptic'.

Jim - definatley the same Liza, mrsmw shared a flat with her and let's say she still has somewhat fond memories of the smell of rubber glue and tales of special projects for her discerning customers.

Not seen her for a while, last thing we heard she moved back out to Kidderminster and was concentrating on one off 'specialist' items

mmw - So it is her then!

She made me and a rather lovely lady I was seeing at the time outfits for the Skin Two Ball. Very talented lady Liza.

Its a very small world isn't it?

Cheers Stu, I've thought a few times about going up again for old times sake. Doubt I'd last the pace these days though!

indeed it is, we have a few items of her clothing, she is indeed a very talented designer and her stuff is very well put together. Very nice person to boot

Heh I've been to Flashback and Atomic Jam at the Que Club - amazing venue.

Bit of a different genre but I still DJ breaks from time to time - doing a night with the Plump DJs here in Lancaster fairly soon.

http://www.skiddle.com/whats-on/Lancaster/Cuba/Outta-Sight-presents----The-Plump-DJs/11322813/

Jim - funny little pub on the corner in Digbeth?

we ran a D&B night there for a while at college after it was bought by our landlord at the time.

and just to spoil the party i'm listening to Karine Polwart 😆

Nowt wrong with a bit of breaks grumm, my wife was running a breaks night (Taking The Biscuit I think it was called) at the North Pole pub in Greenwich when I first met her. She even DJ'd a bit herself occasionally (DJ Badly she jokingly referred to herself as).

I find myself listening to a lot of Detroit Techno though at the mo, really enjoying it.

mmw - Thats the place. In the door, proper 'pub' style bar directly in front and dancefloor to the left, ciggy machine and that to the right. Its been knocked down now.

that night may have been run by guys from my course if you are talking late 90's, quite a few of them were DJs.

Listening to Christian Vogel now to drown out the crap awards ceremony i'm working at

Saw Derrick May play an awesome Detroit stylee set at The End, he opened his set with 3 soul records straight after Ken Ishi played a really minimal set then dropped a big fat techno record, the place went mental(er)

Derrick May, he is the man. I was lucky enough to see him in Detroit a few years back whilst visiting family.

If you like your Detroit Techno then you could do a lot worse than search for 'DJ Seoul', another fine product of Detroit, a pretty damned good little DJ.

i've must have been unlucky to catch derrick may on an off night, saw him play with francois kervorkian a few years ago in london. my mates have seen him play a blinder @ lost.
dj bone is another fine detroit dj as is omar-s if you like it a bit housier.
off to see rolando at the weekend which i'm looking forward to as i've not seen him play since a night out at voodoo in liverpool.

seems a 50/50 split between those that have moved on and done something with their lives and those that still live in some scummy squat and look a right state

apologies if you fit the second category

i know what you mean as that lifestyle i used to lead when i was younger wasn't sustainable at least if you want to move on with your life.
re hog - theres certainly a lot fewer crusties going there now and its now happening in a trendy-ish pub in kings heath - no more all nighters :D:D how things change.

might be a little late in the thread but it's probably breakcore (breakbeat hardcore) borderline gabba with a touch of beats overlaid with noise.
perfect for the ketamin kids who tend to go to raves nowadays.

dirty!

[A disclaimer]What follows is not to be taken as a means with which to enter into a debate over 'drugs are bad m'kay/no they're not'. people do take drugs, thats a fact, what follows is my experience of that.

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The problem with Ketamine isn't the drug itself, if taken 'sensibly' I found it quite good, its the fact many people who do Ketamine don't realise that often what they're taking is chemically pure 'pharmaceutical grade' and isn't cut with anything else. This added to the problem of how to take it in clubs means many folk use 'coke bullets', which is where the problem lies.

Coke bullets are designed for, as the name suggests, cocaine, which is rarely uncut and so the the dosage 'spoon' is sized to take this into account. If Ketamine is used in a coke bullet users will often be getting a much larger dosage than they should really be getting and thus the spectre of 'K Hole' rears its ugly head.

'Tis all just my opinion, I'm not condoning or criticising drug use, m'kay.

the trouble is it's terrible when mixed with bucket loads of phet

i remember when mixmag announced it as 'the future of clubbing' and immediately everyone go the doseage wrong and ended up in the k hole under the steps next to the entrance to the lower area at Republic.

I never had problems with it, 'bump drop, bump drop' was my usual when I was going at it every weekend.

Like all drugs though, results vary.

I do agree with you on the Mixmag thing though. A group of us had t-shirts printed with 'K-Hole Rescue Team' for the next London Pride after that article came out as people sat dribbling (from their mouths, you mucky pups) under stairways was becoming quite a regular thing in places like Trade and Fist.

when i was researching for the original reason for this thread i came across a few rave forums and BOY is there a big range of pharmaceuticals around now in comparison to 15 years ago.

BOY is there a big range of pharmaceuticals around now in comparison to 15 years ago.

Second this. I was out clubbing at the weekend and went to an afterparty with some people who were taking a legal (but soon to be banned) drug called Mephedrone, which they had bombed in rizlas.

They said it was like taking your first pill, or a mix of coke and MDMA with intense rushes.

A bit of googling also reveals that there's a question mark over its effects on the heart, that it maybe chemically closer to crystal meth than MDMA and that it's reportedly very, very more-ish.

Think I'll give it a miss.

Also know people getting all excited about 2CB lately - although I know that was dong the rounds seven or eight years ago as well.

There is a surprisingly large amount of legal high that actually work pretty well these days too.

I was given a legal E a while back called 'Doves' (obviously jumping on the back of the originals) and it was better than most non-legal pills I've had recently.

It seems a lot of the time they are using chemical compounds that do the same thing as MDMA just with a differently constructed compound which means it side-steps the law. Thing is its just a matter of time before legislation catches up and then the companies have to try something else.

Makes the law a bit of a joke really.