[Closed] Damian Green and the left handed websites

my bank uses BBC News 24, keeps me amused in the queue.

Some folk are easily pleased. At the private bank there's no queue but fluffers are available if you want one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42205329

Police breached confidentiality according to an ex AG.

I’m really uncomfortable about what is happening here*, we have to remember that the grot found was completely unrelated to the purpose of the original police raid.

Now it’s being touted that the police are arbiters of what is in the public interest to release by whatever means.

*obviously I’m laughing at a Tory being caught using his trousers as ankle warmers.

It seems Davies has found his exit from Brexit. Two scalps for the price of one.

Police breached confidentiality according to an ex AG.

True, but at the same time ex-Chief Constable Tim Brain is saying that they've acted in the public interest, and some former PSD boss has said similar.

So really, it's just politicians siding with politicians and police officers siding with police officers.

There are several circumstances within the Data Protection Act where breaches of the confidentiality it demands are excused, one being that it's in the public interest to do so. And that is a matter for a court to decide in the event anyone is prosecuted for breaching it. Section 55 if you're interested.

we have to remember that the grot found was completely unrelated to the purpose of the original police raid

And nothing was said publicly about it for 9 years. It's only come out because someone, rightly or wrongly, thinks it's relevant to the investigation into Green being a sex pest.

Oh come on, what possible link could there be between being an alleged sex pest & someone who amassed a truelly epic pron collection on his works computer and didn’t ever hit his vinegar stroke.... That’s just.

Every defence lawyer of his acquaintance since Plebgate has used it to sow doubt into the minds of juries of the veracity of Police evidence

the charge was you are so loyal deflection wont exactly negate that and I suggest you ask your diverse group of friends if its ok to have tons of porn on a work computer and then ask them about whatabouuterry and non sequiturs 🙄
I had you down as one of the more reasoned right wingers rather than blindly loyal one - there are plenty on the left on here and in the real word as well but its not a great trait IMHO.
Both were out of order and neither have covered themself in glory here
Anyone who cannot see that is just politically motivated be it a lefty ignoring the police actions or a righty ignoring his actions.

Also, the analogy with us watching pornography in work is false.

Damian Green was elected, he can watch porn all he wants for the next four years if he wants, unless he’s convicted of breaking the law or if MPs decide on a recall petition

It's a useful reminder of unintended consequences for the politicians. When you accede to every police request for access/regulation to some new area of private life eventually you (the politician) become the subject of unwarranted intrusion. Privacy is for everyone or no one our police forces know no different way of working as the urge to make/keep/enforce order is deep in their collective psyche.

“I think it’s very dangerous territory for a police officer to be making judgments about whether a politician is lying or not.
It’s something really central to our democracy that police are not involved in politics.’
“That should only happen in a criminal investigation and then, ultimately, is for a court to decide. Police should be extremely careful about making judgments about other people’s morality when it’s not a matter of crime. It’s something really central to our democracy that police are not involved in politics; we are fairly unusual in the United Kingdom in that being the case.”

Quote from former Chief Constable of Manchester, so not just politicians siding with politicians.

However, former Gloucestershire chief constable Tim Brain said that the information was in the public interest.

However, former Gloucestershire chief constable Tim Brain said that the information was in the public interest.

Plenty of public servants in prison after Operation Elvedon who found that defence had limitations for them but still worked for journos.

Does sound more like something that would interest the public rather than something of actual public interest. Police are way over the mark here, however much of an odious creep Damien Green may or may not be.

The discovery of perfectly legal material on a laptop seized during an unrelated enquiry does not constitute 'public interest', however high profile the user.

It's no more the business of the police than it is for them to reveal how much time we spend on work pcs posting shite on here. It's just something which his employer might consider highly inappropriate.

The level of public interest has to be sufficient to overcome the significant duty of confidentiality which the police have to the public. Clearly doesn't get anywhere near in this case, IMO.

You would've thought the former police officers involved would have learned a thing or two from the outcome in the Andrew Mitchell case, that breaking their own rules to settle a grudge or score political points can sometimes not end well for them.

^^^^^^^^ this

mefty, your posts have become increasingly tiresome as is your acting as an apologist for Green.
His credibility is shot.
So much for the assertion repeated long and loud by multiple politicians they '....are rightly held to a higher standard of behaviour'.
Green is either
- a liar so sack him as minister
or
- or incompetent by allowing unchecked access to his computer so sack him as a minister
It's clear that you want to have the last word so, off you go.

Green is either
- a liar so sack him as minister
or
- or incompetent by allowing unchecked access to his computer so sack him as a minister

You get that this is largely irrelevant right?

But this is

But a month ago, Mr Quick disclosed that pornographic material had been found on the seized computer, adding that the police had not pursued the matter at the time or told Mr Green about it

So, 9 years after a police raid. An ex employee takes it on himself to release information to the press.

I’m willing to bet a shiny pound that 9 years ago those pcs were windows XP and you logged on by typing ‘password’

Lots of things non criminal make you unfit for office and get you sacked.
I am willing to bet you are just speculating wildy with no evidence base to the decision.

Slight distraction ...

giantalkali - Member
I've never watched pr0n without the express intent of riding the funsponge direct to town, didn't it interfere with your productivity? Or was pr0n just an alternative to a fish tank, my bank uses BBC News 24, keeps me amused in the queue

Also at another place of work during lunch time I stumbled upon a colleague self-pleasuring himself while watching porn, I should have laughed out loudly but he would be embarrassed or get told off (no one get fired over porn in the far east btw in those days). Imagine trying to keep a straight face talking to him afterward. I mean he was practically in full concentration when I walked into the office during the lunch break.

One of the reason why I don't like people touching my keyboard at my office nowadays. 😀

This could explain why our productivity rates in Britain are so poor. Everyone is sat there at work watching porn, instead of working.

mefty, your posts have become increasingly tiresome as is your acting as an apologist for Green.

Diddums

We are the employers of ALL politicians.

Why should some "social engineers" think their views are more valid than others to fire Green when he is not even found guilty yet? 🙄

It's not even a firing offense other than embarrassment and a warning ...

Diddums

mefty, your posts have become increasingly tiresome as is your acting as an apologist for Green.

They aren't actually, seems you can't take the fact that he's largely right in this respect.

Igm might well have been right about you but he missed out childish 

Some one else who can't stand the idea that mefty is on the right track, so the name calling starts 🙁

😯

No surprises

Anyway back to the thread

Looks like a “fair cop”.... 😉

For those "social engineers", technically you are also [b]in breach of your employment contract[/b] if you are [b]visiting other website(s) that are not work related[/b].

Therefore, for those of you that posted during office hour from your office you are technically [b]in breach of your employment contract[/b].

If you are active on non-work related website(s) during office hour, you are actually abusing your working hour. If you are caught you will be in trouble.

I recall someone on the forum saying their company bans certain cycling website during office hour.

If you are [b]moonlighting on other website(s)[/b] while on company working hour you are also in breach of your employment contract. [b]Worst still if the job is govt funded[/b].

The bottom line.

[b]During working hour your employer own you.[/b]

No ifs or buts you are owned regardless during office hour.

😛

More like “limp wristed”

It is in the public interest.
I want to hear every grubby word and gossip about Tory Politico’s and thier dirty habits, thier lying and backhanded downbeaten one upmanship beastiality and sex pest information, porn gazing squinty eyed think they’re above any moral in the land, tramp kicking exploits.
These aren’t stories made up, these are facts. Here’s been charges laid against them n’all..

Let’s hear them, let’s see them squirm for every teeny amount of credibility they seem to think they have. Then let’s see thier squirmy supporters gobble up the messages and spit and regurgitate the same old platitudes.

There are far more interested parties taking part in this, sitting and waiting whilst the last drip of credibility seeps from the limp throbbing gland.

Bring it on, let’s see them face the Public.

[b]ALL jobs/works/positions etc that are govt funded directly or indirectly are in public interest regardless.[/b]

If you work in[b] [u]public sector WE own you regardless[/u][/b]. 😆

Everyone working in public sector on office hour visiting other websites is in trouble ... technically. 😛

You will face the music if someone reports you. You know who you are.

Some one else who can't stand the idea that mefty is on the right track, so the name calling starts

Ditto THM - back to vicariously insulting me now are you again also very childish but I guess better than having to be insulted directly by you.

PS Good pun 10/10

Bike bouy that's a big world of ditto from me.
I hope his Mrs is giving him hell.

You know you are defending someone who said diddums as a response dont you?

In the context it was used it was a perfectly reasonable response. You picking up on it was just clutching at straws. IMHO.

Diddums

Some of the right wingers here need to at least look to join the TA. I haven’t seen such admirable sense of duty in a long time.

Some of the right wingers here need to at least look to join the TA. I haven’t seen such admirable sense of duty in a long time.

Nice idea, but the upper age limit is 50.

Does the TA have a requirement for a squad of keyboard warriors? Taking down Daesh one Tweet at a time?

😆

Diddums

I thought it rather succinctly encapsulated my worries over someone who has posted more frequently on this thread finding my posts tedious.

Always a good idea to stick to engaging with the arguments made.

Bring it on, let’s see them face the Public.

They do at every election they stand in, maybe you should stand against them if you feel so strongly.

Nice idea, but the upper age limit is 50.

Indeed, I just help out the Church instead.

Oh dear you are in trouble now .....

mefty - Member
They do at every election they stand in, maybe you should stand against them if you feel so strongly

I vote, always have. I have the moral high ground on this. I’m a member of a Political Party who support my ideas and ideals..

Wriggle, squirm, backchat, poke in the eye, nasty little grubby lying Tories.

As said, plenty of more interested people scrutinising every move the Tories make... keep an eye out.

Always a good idea to stick to engaging with the arguments made.

Must be why you just keep talking about the police when asked directly about him even though i agree with you over them - you even quoted me and ignored the points I raised to discuss the police.

I wrote quite a long post explaining why an MP is in a particular position and therefore why conventional employment law is irrelevant and what sanctions are available. This I believe addressed any point you have made about "works" computers etc.

Maybe Damian Green is a non-P member and his computer got filled up with annoying popups?

So the question is - what’s his user name?

Agree with @mefty’s post

I’m a total leftie, but ignoring the unique position of an elected MP and at the same time justifying a blatant breach of confidentiality by an ex police employee is wilful ignorance.

It’s not about sticking one to the nasty tories

ignoring the unique position of an elected MP

I agree they do have a unique position and this means they are held to an even higher standard as they make the laws and are in public office . No one has yet said they can do this in their workplace and not get sacked.

I have not ignored what the ex copper did [ I am tired of agreeing with those who raise it actually but it will get mentioned again on this thread] it was not right either but the method of knowledge is no reason to ignore the message.
Both need addressing

An MP is a unique position and they do not answer to employee law/company regulations the same way we all do.

Which is why it is 100% in the public interest for it to be exposed if an MP is acting in a way at work which would get the rest of us sacked.

How can the electorate get rid of him if his "issues" are covered up?

No one has yet said they can do this in their workplace and not get sacked.

Aside from chewkw, who thinks that having a J Arthur at your desk at work is funny but totally acceptable.

An MP is a unique position and they do not answer to employee law/company regulations the same way we all do.

Which is why it is 100% in the public interest for it to be exposed if an MP is acting in a way at work which would get the rest of us sacked.

How can the electorate get rid of him if his "issues" are covered up?

Thanks for that. I was trying to get my head around this whole business of him not being accountable because he's elected rather than employed. That's the answer right there isn't it - he's accountable to the electorate. That's why it's in the "public interest."