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theotherjonv - Member
The computer wasn't hacked. It was investigated as part of an investigation into leaked government memos at which point it was found.
Something fishy on all sides. 😯
Obviously he is naughty if found guilty and should be warned.
I cant believe people are defending him, you really think we pay taxes to fund Mr Green tickling his pickle?
He can tug it until he is blind is his own time for all I care but using public money (and IT equipment) should mean being instantly sacked.
I know someone who got sacked for having a **** in stockroom...
When Jeremy was humping Diane Abbott, was that on the lock, or off the clock?
I assume it was out of work hours, otherwise they should be in bother too - can't pile into your work colleagues whilst your being paid to work.
Proving it might be difficult, though. Computer records are a bit more precise.
Shit happens.
wiggles - Member
I cant believe people are defending him, you really think we pay taxes to fund Mr Green tickling his pickle?
I am not defending him but it is not really a "hanging" offense is it. 🙄 I mean adult watching adult porn is really not a crime is it.
However, holding public office while watching adult porn is an embarrassment to everyone but really ... 🙄
Read the reports and explain what's fishy please. Someone was leaking government memos to the press and the police were asked to investigate. In doing so they allegedly found porn on Green's computer.
Why's that fishy?
I am not defending him but it is not really a "hanging" sentence is it.
No, but it isn't appropriate use of work resources and would see you, me or most others dismissed immediately.
But as I said before - he's been accused of sexual misconduct which he denies, so it's his word against his accuser's.
He's also been accused of having porn on his computer which he denies. But it seems there might be evidence that would prove he's lying. And if he's a liar in that case, can you see why that might make people less likely to take his word on the very serious other allegation.
Clearer now?
Simple version is that as a workplace it will have an IT policy, that IT policy will say no looking at porn on this computer. Same as everywhere else.
Well Blunt's extended waffling has just ended; complete failure to answer any of the simple and direct questions; attempting to talk over the interviewer.
Green has been effectively damned by his mate's attempts at obfuscation and diversion.
Chewkw - let's just assume that you are suspected of committing fraud at work and the investigation finds that you have accessed porn sites from your work computer; are you saying that this should be ignored as the investigation was into fraud rather than inappropriate use of a work computer?
Can you name any company or organisation where viewing porn on a work computer via a work network in work's time would be tolerated? It is not viewed as 'naughty'; it is a sackable offence. It's not the same as shanking one out at home or in a hotel (bedroom)
The risks of malware from porn sites have been well documented so that's a further cause for concern.
To repeat part of an earlier post - if Green is lying he should be fired; if someone else accessed and used his computer with Green's credentials he should be sacked for incompetence.
Do you understand the principle of disclosure in the public interest?
Former head of professional standards with the Met has stated today that he does not believe there any grounds for prosecuting Lewis.
theotherjonv - Member
Someone was leaking government memos to the press and the police were asked to investigate.
So the police may have stumbled up his stash of porn but that is an embarrassment to the govt and the person holding the office, but not really a crime for "hanging offense" is it.
I edited my previous post but it's fallen off the page now, so I'll repost the edit....
I am not defending him but it is not really a "hanging" sentence is it.
No, but it isn't appropriate use of work resources and would see you, me or most others dismissed immediately.
But as I said before - he's been accused of sexual misconduct which he denies, so it's his word against his accuser's.
He's also been accused of having porn on his computer which he denies. But it seems there might be evidence that would prove he's lying. And if he's a liar in that case, can you see why that might make people less likely to take his word on the very serious other allegation.
Clearer now why the presence of porn or not is almost a side issue, it's the lying bit that is the situation?
So the police may have stumbled up his stash of porn but that is an embarrassment to the govt and the person holding the office, but not really a crime for "hanging offense" is it.
Go fire up your work computer and visit some porn sites. See what happens
Not a hanging offence; hanging was abolished decades ago.
Chewkw - I'm sure that even you have heard politicians say that '....it is right they are held to a higher standard'.
I expect that Green has probably said that at some point in his political career; would be good if some enthusiastic journo could prove it.
Dirty little Tory!
Bet it included a bit of beasteality too.
Dirty boy.
frankconway - Member
Chewkw - let's just assume that you are suspected of committing fraud at work and the investigation finds that you have accessed porn sites from your work computer; are you saying that this should be ignored as the investigation was into fraud rather than inappropriate use of a work computer?
Can you name any company or organisation where viewing porn on a work computer via a work network in work's time would be tolerated?
If you are investigating fraud then your priority is fraud. Adult porn is not illegal but embarrassment. Fraud or Adult porn?
So if you cannot find the fraud and you then decide the "second best find in adult porn" will do for now to protect own job? 😯
Doubt it Poops; that's illegal and would cop him a court appearance and possible spell inside.
If a person deliberately does that in front of people or download [b]illegal stuff[/b] then that person has committed an offense. Otherwise, why nose into others personal affairs in at work? 🙄mikewsmith - Member
Go fire up your work computer and visit some porn sites. See what happens
Because it isnt personal if you do it in work?
frankconway - Member
Doubt it Poops; that's illegal and would cop him a court appearance and possible spell inside.
Just being a little glib to be honest.
That said, in a normal world in such office he would probably resign.
Not though illegality but out of self dignity and respect for his position.
Not a normal world anymore though.
Chewkw - your attempts at verbal gymnastics and logical pirouettes are pathetic.
If you're employed and have a work computer, log onto some porn sites and tell us what happens when your activity is detected by IT.
Why do you think so many organisations use content blocking software and other filters?
wiggles - Member
Because it isnt personal if you do it in work?
Where do you draw the line between personal and work?
Can your employer read all your personal emails because you access them via [b]company time[/b]?
🙄
frankconway - Member
Why do you think so many organisations use content blocking software and other filters?
Interesting point. If that is the case why is the current news? Surely they have something in place to prevent that is it not?
Put it this way until he is found guilty you are at best speculating his guilt.
You judge the person before he is found guilty.
Let him go through the due process before condemning the person.
The line is it is work for the bit of the day you are getting paid and should be doing something else?
Can your employer read all your personal emails because you access them via company time?
Yes if it's done in their infrastructure. You have signed up to agree that basically anything you do on a work computer can be logged, checked and viewed by IT.
wiggles - Member
The line is it is work for the bit of the day you are getting paid and should be doing something else?
If that is your explanation then basically your employer own all of you during the paid hour is it not? Therefore, if they demand to read all your email correspondence on the day they can do so. i.e. including email account(s) that does not belong to the company.
Is that right?
Yes, ive worked for companies/goverment agencies where they tell you that any communications on your work computer can be accessed by the IT department if asked for.
yes, it's almost certainly in your terms and conditions. It is in mine. My employer has a 'reasonable' use policy so don't complain about a bit of email / web surfing but still maintain the right to monitor in case it becomes excessive or inappropriate. Thousands of porn images, would probably count in both respects......
So is this a good time to suggest people go and re read the it policy they have all signed up to (aka the easiest way to sack someone policy) if you still think he did nothing wrong at work please try it and argue that none of it was illegal and you did it when nobody else was there....
the easiest way to sack someone policy
you have to be careful........ both sides. Yes, it is in theory an easy way to dismiss someone but in a similar case with an ex-employee at my previous company, HR advised that we should still seek an 'amicable' compromise. The issue is that if you get rid of someone for misuse of company property (so not particularly porn or other inappropriate sites, just excessive use) then you should get rid of everyone who is guilty of the same thing, and if you don't then you risk allegations of victimisation.
*chewk runs off to furiously delete all his work porn he was so sure he was allowed*
mikewsmith - Member
So is this a good time to suggest people go and re read the it policy they have all signed up to (aka the easiest way to sack someone policy) if you still think he did nothing wrong at work please try it and argue that none of it was illegal and you did it when nobody else was there....
Has he been found guilty yet?
wiggles - Member
*chewk runs off to furiously delete all his work porn he was so sure he was allowed*
Sorry I forgot to mention I used to run my own company ...
I set the rules and me business partner used to watch pron all the time. 😆
Nahh ... I don't watch porn at all nowadays. No interest whatsoever as I don't really want to torture myself. I rather sleep. Bloody work never ends ...
No, it's all allegation and denial so far. Which potentially makes him guilty of both the porn but as importantly to me, blatantly lying.
Its not a legal matter, you dont get a trial over a breach of your employers policy?
I have given up now...
You enjoy you "personal time" in work...
First, he was not a government minister at the time, he was an MP.
Second, an MP isn't required to turn up to work, he can represent his constituents as he sees fit, if they think someone else will do a better job they can vote them in. The Labour MP who deposed Clegg hasn't turned for two weeks, Mhairi Black hardly ever votes, a Tory MP manages to run a highly lucrative practice as a barrister. You may think all of these are wrong, but unless you are one of their consitutents, your view is an irrelevance, they can send who they like to Parliament.
Third, Parliament is not the State, Parliament is sovereign and acts on our behalf to hold the State in the form of government to account. That is symbolized when Black Rod acting for the State (the Queen) has the doors slammed on him. My guess is that because of this, MPs who are not members of the government, while representing the public are not Public Office holders because they are acting for their constituents not the State.
So this then becomes a disciplinary matter between the MP and the Parliamentary authorities (who provide the computers not the government), which would ultimately end up in this type of instance with a committee of MPs whose ultimate sanction is to trigger the provision of the Recall Act. It would then be up to his constituents whether to petition to recall. There is absolutely no role for the Police in any of this.
Would I leap to the defense of a Labour MP in the same way, probably not to the same extent, but I am confident I would not try to argue the other side. I certainly think the vast majority of MPs are in politics for the right reasons. There are matters of important principle in cases like this, illustrated by the fact that the Guardian, no supporters of the Tories, are raising questions and that the original investigation was criticized from all sides of the political spectrum.
As an aside, Junkyard, your analysis of the Tory party is fundamentally flawed, but this post is sufficiently long, so I will leave that for another time.
Amusing to see the Tories trying to maul the police now...
Usually best buddies.
Guessing May's previous relations with the the police have come back to haunt her.
Bit like Hunt having to go into an NHS hospital for a minor op and the surgeon giving him a little wink and grin as he tells him, "I'm sure you'll be fine Mr Hunt, though we are a little short on doctors, nurses, anaesthetic and antibiotics today..." 😉
ah well in that case then he is free to **** to his hearts content on works time on a works computerFirst, he was not a government minister at the time, he was an MP.
Second, an MP isn't required to turn up to work, he can represent his constituents as he sees fit,
FFS have some credibility will you 🙄
You really are incredibly loyal to the tories to the point you have abandoned sense, reason and credibility
Both the wets and the drys are ****s?your analysis of the Tory party is fundamentally flawed
mefty - Member
... your analysis of the Tory party is fundamentally flawed, but this post is sufficiently long, so I will leave that for another time.
Mind you their "social engineering" bots are out in force to "social engineer" at every opportunity. 😆
In the meantime enjoy the "social engineering" while I am off now to drink me Czech larger from Co-op ... 😆
green can look at all the porn he likes
if hes denying that he did and a copper knows otherwise, you can see why he might want to call out Green.
That said some police are bitterly resentful of Theresa Mays time as home sec, year after year numbers & budgets were cut, ask any copper what they think of Theresa May and it will not generate a pleasant response, thats not to say they are anti-tory just that Green being Mays only remaining friend in cabinet wont endear him to the boys in blue
a tricky one to judge
is it in the public interest to expose him if hes repeatedly lying?
You really are incredibly loyal to the tories to the point you have abandoned sense, reason and credibility
Well the reason there was some delay between posts, was I went to the pub where as I often do I ended up chatting to my Lefty pub friend, who is a Human Rights/Immigration lawyer, his ex-wife is a Labour MP, he is mates with many of all those high profile right thinking lawyers etc, his mother is a Corbynista, etc etc. I asked him his view on this and it was basically the same as mine, so I am pretty comfortable with my credibility.
However, he made an incredibly important point. He said whilst we may not worry about the Police exceedingly their remit because it is never going to effect us personally, that is wrong. Every defence lawyer of his acquaintance since Plebgate has used it to sow doubt into the minds of juries of the veracity of Police evidence, sometimes no doubt with sufficient success to obtain acquitals and that has an immediate potential effect on us all and wastes a lot of diligent good work by Police Officers. This case will only reinforce their arguments.
The police recognised that the situation was somewhat unusual and a bit of a legal minefield, and therefore sought guidance from the CPS (i.e. lawyers) about how to proceed, and that advice included searching Green's home and office. So maybe it's (some) lawyers who shouldn't be trusted?
chewkw - MemberSorry I forgot to mention I used to run my own company ...
I set the rules and me and my business partner used to watch pron all the time.
I've never watched pr0n without the express intent of riding the funsponge direct to town, didn't it interfere with your productivity? Or was pr0n just an alternative to a fish tank, my bank uses BBC News 24, keeps me amused in the queue.
Or was pr0n just an alternative to a fish tank, my bank uses BBC News 24, keeps me amused in the queue.
“Hello, I’d like to make a deposit.”
high levels of liquidity?
Made a withdrawal and lost interest?
Either that or a withdrawal
edit - bugger, too slow
Maybe I should try ATM next time...
His firm friend David Davis is offering to go down with him, touch wood.