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[Closed] CV in Danish mink. I feel strangely calm.

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Now animals have caught coronavirus from humans. The virus has moved to the next phase of its life where it's capable of infecting any living thing. It's only a short step to hens, pigs, sheep, cattle, then cats and dogs and so on.

It only takes a handful of the millions of mink in Denmark to escape slaughter or a human infected with the new strain to pass it to a domestic animal and we've got....? Most of the older population dies?

Enough people from developing countries with young populations will survive by eating vegetables and will be able to spread unhindered into countries devastated by the virus and colonise them for their own benefit. Easy for them because they will possess the same dogged determination and resilience that a relatively tiny number of economic migrants has already shown us.

Catastrophisation or realism?


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 6:41 am
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Covid in cats is nothing new.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2013400

Most of the older population dies?

The majority of old people who get covid survive. Most of the fatalities are among people with existing health conditions, so many of them would have died within a few years anyway. It's obviously very sad for their friends and families, but covid has a fairly low fatality rate among young people, so it's not an existential threat to the species. Eventually, the majority of humans will have been exposed to it, either through infection or vaccination, so it will probably become a minor nuisance instead of the major threat it is at the moment.


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 6:46 am
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Thanks for putting my mind back on the rails. But what about the animals?


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 6:58 am
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Dogs, cats, bacon, people will be very seriously devastated if that happens.


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 7:01 am
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what about the animals?

If the fatality rate among animals is anything like humans, a small percentage will die and the survivors will become resistant.


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 7:17 am
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That is massively catastrophising. A quick scan through and you've made at least 7 assumptions or logical errors so the likelihood of your theory being correct is **** all.

1) It doesn't have a life, it's a virus. I'm not sure assigning some kind of agency to it is helpful.
2) A bit of a leap to assume it can now infect any living thing
3) Assuming that the infection will get more lethal
4) Assuming that infected mink are escaping
5) Assuming that people in developing countries are all young and eat vegetables, as if that would offer protection. In developing counties if anything people often live in closer quarters with animals of all kinds.
6) Assuming that even if it did become more lethal, somehow this would affect developed countries more than developing ones. Likely the opposite would be true.
7) Applying the faulty logic that "Some migrants from X posses dogged determination therefore people from X posses dogged determination".


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 7:19 am
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https://www.newscientist.com/article/2259178-is-a-dangerous-new-coronavirus-strain-circulating-in-farmed-mink/

Go read that for some slightly calmer analysis.


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 9:06 am
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Covid has been in cattle for millions of years


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 12:01 pm
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As has been said you have very little understanding of what you are talking about, this is not the first time this has happened and as per new scientist over 60 mammal species are likely susceptible. Also the particularly worrying strain has not been recorded for a while now and it seems that this has been kept quiet for a few months.

https://www.berlingske.dk/danmark/minkmutation-der-har-foert-til-masseaflivninger-og-stor-nedlukning-er-med?fbclid=IwAR2CXKYULHs7g3AjgoDfUGiNVHuspeuGkemcUQd6J8d48slXTzaktnJcRkk


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 12:50 pm
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ACE2 is ubiquitous. Zoonotic infections likely. In fact the animal models show that rhesus monkeys suffer worse than humans. We probably should pay more attention to animal coronaviruses, but there is nothing new here.

For likely candidates read here This is just a comparison of the coding for ACE2. What really matters is the spike protein binding affinity to the expressed ACE2. - One for A_A's next sixth form class 😉

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00457/full

macac are rhesus macaques - they develop a very severe disease. They have been used to test the potential efficacy of vaccine candidates.


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 1:43 pm
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/01/chinese-residents-ordered-cull-pets-amid-fears-may-spread-coronavirus-12164217/

china has also killed and for food 100 million pigs

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/04/business/china-pork-swine-fever-pigs/index.html

Why are we cruel and destructive to the animal world


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 1:57 pm
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Keeping thousands of animals caged up like that is asking for trouble, aside from the cruelty. If the world could learn one thing from this pandemic I hope it would be to have better respect for nature.


 
Posted : 08/11/2020 1:58 pm