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ok the organization I work for are being frequently asked by some of the schools that we work in to show our crb disclosures. I for one dont have a problem with this as I have nothing to hide but we have been told from our project managers that we dont have to show our disclosures but can just gives its number and the schools can do their own checks. Is this correct or do we have to show the full crb disclosure? I really need to see it in black and white on an official site but can't seem to find the answer I'm looking for and its causing a bit of a dispute withing our organization.
Ask the school you will work what they want?
(I had full disclosure given to school didn't show my speeding points.)
What the problem exactly? If you've got the form, and shows then just show it to the school, making over busy school administrators go check something that your guys can just show them seems a little obtuse.
the schools will all have their own policy (informed by local authority guide lines) but with child protection and safeguarding being such an issue at the moment they should only really be using any document you show them as a source for the number to contact the crb themselves.
I know exactly what you mean nickc. The problem is that I think someone has got it in their heads that it has information that the schools are not entitled to see but I cant really see what that info is unless you have something to hide. I need to try and get some info and facts correct before I go telling the project managers that they are wrong and the schools are entitled to see our CRB's
crb is a waste of time all it says is that if you are a kiddy fiddler you have not been caught yet.Why doesn't one crb cover everything? at times I have had three.
A record of your number to allow another organisation will do. Mrs MFL tells me her employer states another organisation doesn't have the right to see the content of your CRB, merely that you have a valid (passed) CRB.
My wife is a teacher trainer lecturer and keeps that number with her so that iof a school wish they can check her CRB. I'm a nurse who is often in & out of schools, and have never been asked for proof of CRB.
It's an imperfect system but better than nothing. Serves more of a purpose in recruiting to roles where a criminal history might mean a person is less than suitable for the role.
Don't work at a school but after my CRB check I was given the certificate once my employer had taken a copy.
technically its out of date after 3 months anyway... I have no problem showing it to anyone if appropriate. I don't carry it, though my work is a bit different to yours, but If they wish to see it, I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to see it (much like an i.d cared etc?)
Most organisations policy will state that they need to do their own CRB checks not rely on other people's - bit of a waste of time imo (and a nice little earner for someone I imagine).
I've got the cert for mine and there's nothing confidential on there though - don't see why you wouldn't want to show it.
What the problem exactly? If you've got the form, and shows then just show it to the school, making over busy school administrators go check something that your guys can just show them seems a little obtuse.
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A CRB check is worse than having "nothing" in some ways. As stated already, all it does is say that you have not been caught doing anything but the problem is it is then treated as though you are now entirely trustworthy, you are now safe to do whatever it is you do do. I suspect people will be considered more trustworthy because they have not been caught rather than because they are capable, open, honest and because of what they do do, not because of what has not happened.
Always interested when my CRB gets redone as a teacher to see if anything turns up though, not expecting anything to! Just think some mix up with a bank robber would be briefly amusing (and undoubtably a complete arse to sort out) but I can now do what I like for the next 3 years and if I can avoid the media it is ok, because I have a certificate to say I am safe.
It worries me a bit to be honest...
but I can now do what I like for the next 3 years and if I can avoid the media it is ok, because I have a certificate to say I am safe.
It worries me a bit to be honest...
I agree - all a CRB proves is you've not been caught yet - and as you say could create a false sense of security. I also don't like the kind of tacit assumption involved that you are probably a paedo unless you have a piece of paper to prove you are not.
crb is a waste of time all it says is that if you are a kiddy fiddler you have not been caught yet.Why doesn't one crb cover everything? at times I have had three.
Apparently 'they', whoever they may be, are looking at a centralised system - would not hold our breath though...
I was CRB'd when I worked at the local council for working in schools etc, but never had to show the cert I got, the schools trusted the council to be employing 'safe' people.
Now I work in recruitment and our education sector can access a 'list 99' (child protection register) check online in a matter of seconds using surname and DOB. This appears to be accepted at sufficient for temporary employment.
Apparently it is a confidential document so the schools should not have access to it. Your name and the number should be enough. For one I am glad this is the case, I hate to think what my CRB would look like if I had to bring it with me everyday, it is only paper and I am out in all weather!