[Closed] could this happen? islamic future?

The music is a nice touch.

Well, depends if you think Muslims are normal, sensible, reasonable people like the rest of us - or if you're like the person who wrote the captions to that video who's obviously got some deep-rooted problems.

normal, sensible, reasonable people like the rest of us

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to be honest, i did not read the captions. i was too busy listening the the Dewsbury mp's speach.
regardless of the racist rubbish,

could it happen in the future?

I'm looking forward to the beheadings and amputations.
Will they be shown between Jeremy Kyle and This Morning?
Seriously though Ton, WTF are you looking at that kind of extremist bullshit?

could it happen in the future?

Let me ask an expert...

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I quite liked it when they were our friends and stemming the communist horde.

What an absolutely hateful video.

could it happen in the future?

Could what happen? More Muslim MPs? Sure - if people vote for them why not? Or do you mean the rubbish about Sharia law and beheadings?

I wasn't sure what to think but thankfully they added creepy music so I knew I was supposed to be scared.

Edit. CBA

A similar video:

whenever I see seemingly sensible folk buying into this anti-islamic bullshit I'm reminded of this video

The problem is that it's not all bullshit, just 99% of it.

We need to have a sensible discussion about the influence of religion in a democratic society.
But we can't, because people are refusing to engage sensibly and fall back on ingrained prejudice.

The problem is that it's not all bullshit

Yeah it pretty much nearly all is.

Videos like that are not a sensible discussion.

Oh wait you added a bit to your first line.

YouTube for simpletons.

No, it couldn't happen.

The problem is that it's not all bullshit, just 99% of it.

We need to have a sensible discussion about the influence of religion in a democratic society.
But we can't, because people are refusing to engage sensibly and fall back on ingrained prejudice.

Can't argue with that... religion is used as a tool to manipulate and brainwash.

Word has it that U.S. and UK allies, Saudi Arabia, are funding Wahhabi extremists to stir hate in UK mosques, much like evangelist Christians do in the U.S. or Zionist Jews do in Israel.

It's almost as if it's orchestrated by the powers that be to divide and conquer and fuel profitable perpetual war a la 1984 (pfft, like that could have any truths! government surveillance is conspiracy theory 🙄 )

Drac - Moderator

The problem is that it's not all bullshit

Yeah it pretty much nearly all is.

I wasn't referring to the video btw.
I was referring to Yunki's comment about Islamophobia.

There are issues we need to address as a society about how we treat the beliefs of people who identify themselves primarily by their religious convictions rather than as a member of the society in which they live.

Word has it

Ah yes. A good unfounded rumour. That'll keep things moving along in a positive direction.

so realistically we're talking about 99.999999% then rustyspanner, considering the number of muslims that go about their lives in a peaceful manner as fully integrated members of whatever society they happen to be part of

the fact that so many folk see fit to demonise an entire global religious community based on the actions and beliefs of 0.000001% of that community's members is abhorrent no?

(these figures may not be entirely accurate 😳 )

Oh wait you added a bit to your first line.

People assume that because you criticize something, you must be fundamentally against it.

If you wish to read something into my post that does not exist, that's up to you.

But it's a perfect example of the point I made about not being able to have a rational discussion about anything without people jumping to conclusions about your motivation.

You did the same on the 'Dog attack' thread too.
It's a bit sad really and I'm getting a bit tired of it.

Would anyone object if in England every single person was made to go to a mosque thrice a day

or have your head cut off down dewsbury for denouncing the almighty , in fact didn't we used to put people in stocks in village centres for such offences

if it happens there wont be any threads like this

yunki - Member

so realistically we're talking about 99.999999% then rustyspanner, considering the number of muslims that go about their lives in a peaceful manner as fully integrated members of whatever society they happen to be part of

Yes, of course.

Catshroedinger - if we get invaded by giant space marshmallows who insist that we all suck dildos every waking second there may not be threads like this either..

Tell you what, just to clarify, I'll repost this from a different thread:

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/multicultural-britain ]Multicultural Britain[/url]

I'm a moral absolutist:

Universal suffrage, sexual, gender and racial equality, freedom from poverty and the right to work, the right to education, clean water, decent housing, control over contraception and abortion, freedom of association etc are all values that post war western democracies have strived to achieve.

They make life better for the majority of people - they give people the chance to participate fairly and equally in our society - we accept that they are 'good things'.

If people disagree with any of these things for whatever religious or cultural reasons, then I don't believe we should alter our aims and aspirations to accommodate them.

If you place the word of god above all else you replace your own reason with that of those who currently claim to espouse the beliefs of your particular deity or deities.

Now, if anyone would care for a sensible discussion, I'm all for it.
If you'd just like to continue making assumptions based on what you THINK I believe, I'll leave you and your prejudice well alone.

if we get invaded by giant space marshmallows who insist that we all suck dildos every waking second there may not be threads like this either..

is this not already happening ?with the exception of the the space marshmallows don't we just suck cock at the whim of the government anyway.

Apologies for my bad taste, but that is very much what many of the allegations surrounding Elm Guest House, Dolphin Square, Jersey etc are about...

the fact that so many folk see fit to demonise an entire global religious community based on the actions and beliefs of 0.000001% of that community's members is abhorrent no?

It's much more about culture than religion.

In the case of Islam and/or Zionism it's hard to see the join.

No it will not happen

Should we be promoting what is fundamentally racist propaganda? The captioning is lunatic right wing ranting and a complete and utter misrepresentation of what the speaker is saying - did anyone else notice that he was joking when he said all MPs would be Muslim at the rate of growth? But also gave a more realistic target of 20 by the next election to match the muslim proportion in the UK ie 3% ( I assume the 2010 election as he is making the speech as a labour minister).

I just don't know why people buy into this fear mongering, it is transparently ridiculous - there really are parallels to the racist propaganda of the c20 totalitarian regimes.

vickypea - Member

It's much more about culture than religion.

The major Abrahamic religions are fundamentally very similar.
They have all gone through many periods of reformation and fundamentalism.
'The Word Of God' constantly changes depending in the cultural, political and social aspirations of the societies which embrace them.
Islamic nations were the largest repositories of knowledge in the world whilst we were flinging shit at each other and abusing turnips.
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so really this whole 'fear of that religion growing to a stage where they take over and try to impose it on us' would be wholly more accurate if it was Muslims worrying about Christianity?

Islamic nations were the largest repositories of knowledge in the world whilst we were flinging shit at each other and abusing turnips.

I don't think they did it by choice.

tbf 99% of the population in that there caliphate was abusing vegetables (probably not root veg) at the time even while scientific, mathematic and literary miracles were being worked by the elite. Just English peasants weren't all thumbing through hand-illustrated Bibles to pass the time.

If people disagree with any of these things for whatever religious or cultural reasons, then I don't believe we should alter our aims and aspirations to accommodate them.

yunki - Member

so really this whole 'fear of that religion growing to a stage where they take over and try to impose it on us' would be wholly more accurate if it was Muslims worrying about Christianity?

Doesn't matter really - swings and roundabouts.

Fundamentalist Christianity in 20th century western democracies was dealt a harsh blow by universal education and the growing acceptance of scientific rationalism.

A scientific approach and the insistence on rational, evidence based analysis does not wholly suit those who wish to exercise control by the manipulation of religious belief.
Rationalism demands the exercise of individual thought and a questioning of established dogma.
Fundamental religious belief demands the exact opposite.

konabunny - Member
Which "us" are you referring to? I reckon most of the UK population has a problem with at least one of the values you're suggesting are universally share,

'Us' as a society.

Death to the infidels!

Hence not voting for any Muslim MP.

I don't hate them, I disagree with their values and voted for my local Tory MP.

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Could this happen?

The theory takes some disputing in my opinion. I don't know if the maths are correct, but the concept is entirely believable. Ignore the racist lilt and discuss the theory

You did the same on the 'Dog attack' thread too.
It's a bit sad really and I'm getting a bit tired of it.

Trust it's not personal but if you're not using quotes you really can't tell who or what you're referring to. Especially when you go back and alter your post so it reads different.

Ok.

The theory takes some disputing in my opinion. I don't know if the maths are correct, but the concept is entirely believable. Ignore the racist lilt and discuss the theory