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Can anyone settle an argument please? Is it John's in work early, John is in work early or something else?
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Posted : 14/05/2012 10:34 pm
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Either...although I think "at" work is better English...


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 10:36 pm
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Either.

Although why the **** is John in work early? Shouldn't he stay in bed?


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 10:36 pm
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John need's to join a Union.


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 10:37 pm
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He's in early because he's a sign writer with an apostrophe problem to solve before he gets his paintbrush out..


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 10:38 pm
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Correct use of [u]an[/u] apostrophe?

FTFY


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 10:42 pm
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[/b]an[b] apostrophe

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Posted : 14/05/2012 10:44 pm
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Note stealth edit 8) I was hoping B would be for bold.


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 10:52 pm
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Your / is in the wrong place!


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 10:57 pm
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The correct use for an apostrophe is as bait for an afternoon's grammar-pedant fishing.


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 10:58 pm
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I can sleep now cheers.


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 11:00 pm
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afternoon's

you could have left that one out to give us pedants some sport...


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 11:01 pm
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you could have left that one out

[u]Y[/u]ou, surely.


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 11:07 pm
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You, surely

You, surely[u]?[/u]


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 11:12 pm
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Muphry's law surly ?


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 11:19 pm
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whats stout got to do wiv apostrofees?


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 11:25 pm
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Thankyou for correcting me.


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 11:29 pm
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Posted : 14/05/2012 11:49 pm
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Dagnabbit (colloquialism, allowed), taken apart by zimbo with a two word sentence. Touche. I don't know how to do that acute accent thing over the 'e' in touche, sorry.


 
Posted : 14/05/2012 11:55 pm
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Alt-Gr and e is the easiest way.


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 3:45 am
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é

[option+e] [e]

…assuming you're on a Mac, most people are these days aren't they?


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 11:00 am
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mrdestructo - isn't 'mothers' day' technically correct anyway as it's a day for all mothers?


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 11:06 am
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Oh well, whilst we're playing with apostrophes,one I'm never sure of is:

Trustees or Trustees' as in Trustees' Meeting? Is it a meeting belonging to the Trustees (a possesive as in Mother's/Mothers' Day) or simply a meeting of Trustees (just a plural as in a meeting of minds etc.)?


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 11:14 am
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Thankyou for correcting me.

[b]Thank you[/b]... It be two words. 😀


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 11:19 am
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Trustees or Trustees'

I'd definitely go with the apostrophe...


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 11:24 am
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a two word sentence

Was that a sentence? I see no subject, object or verb?


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 11:26 am
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Apologies for any offence caused by my earlier post. Reposted it as the original ninja-edit had been so quick that I assumed it was a posting error.


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 11:37 am
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Posted : 15/05/2012 11:48 am
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OK riddle me this one batpeeps, which of the following is correct (assuming that this is the title of a book and there is specifically no definite article):

'Successful Manager's Handbook'

or

'Successful Managers' Handbook'


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 12:25 pm
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'Successful Manager's Handbook' - it's only aimed at the manager that is reading it.
Hey, can I get a copy for my boss?


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 1:24 pm
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John need's to join a Union.
or maybe he just needs a grammar lesson 😉


 
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'Successful Manager's Handbook' - it's only aimed at the manager that is reading it.
Hey, can I get a copy for my boss?

So you believe that the lack of a definite article, e.g. 'The' means that manager is singular?

I don't know the right answer and I've asked this question of dozens of people including English teachers and professors, lawyers and writers, even Radio 4!

I get a 50/50 split between the two options; some believe that the lack of a definite article mean that 'managers' must be plural, thus it must be 'Successful Managers' Handbook', others suggest as you've done; it's singular and therefore 'Manager's'

You can buy the book but it's pricey and I doubt if your manager needs it that he/she is going to be receptive to reading it. Need and awareness in these issues are usually strongly and negatively correlated!


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 1:43 pm
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or maybe he just needs a grammar lesson

I suspect he'd really appreciate a lesson in punctuation.


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 1:44 pm
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[i] others suggest as you've done; it's singular and therefore 'Manager's'[/i]

I could be wrong 😉


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 1:47 pm
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I suspect he'd really appreciate a lesson in punctuation.
given that punctuation is a subset of grammar would suggest both then! 😉 [thought I was fussy!]


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 2:32 pm
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I don't know the right answer and I've asked this question of dozens of people including English teachers and professors,

Writing is about style, not rules. Sometimes there is no right answer and trying to find one, or writing as if there was one, leads to bad writing.

Engineers, in particular, seem to find that hard to swallow.


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 4:52 pm
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Writing is about style, not rules

That might be true, but like with most art forms, you really need to understand the rules that do exist before you can successfully subvert them


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 5:25 pm
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Like missing full stops off! 😕


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 5:26 pm
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Effective communication requires some rules. Creative writing may selectively disregard rules for effect, but it is not unruly.


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 5:39 pm
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Id of thinked it shud of bin a un-successfull managere's' handbook; no? 😳


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 8:30 pm
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Know your shit, or know you're shit.


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 8:38 pm
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That might be true, but like with most art forms, you really need to understand the rules that do exist before you can successfully subvert them

Ignoring the irony of your missing full stop, this is correct.

For example, look at the work of Edward Estlin Cummings.


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 8:40 pm
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I think this is the sort of thread that bores the hell out of me and is not [u]coundu[/u] [u]conducti[/u] to making people communicative to [u]comunicat[/u] useful for helpfulll or interestinising.


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 8:44 pm
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For example, look at the work of Edward Estlin Cummings

Was that him who played for Sunderland in the eighties? Or was that s. cummins?


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 8:49 pm
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Pjay's post reminded me of something. Someone who taught me to teach English mentioned the descriptive/adjective "s" without an apostrophe so when it came to teaching some Spanish students I taught it. One of them asked me for an example, which proved embarrassing as all the examples I could think of needed an apostrophe or were compound nouns. I failed so if anyone can come up with one.


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 9:20 pm
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I failed so if anyone can come up with one.

I think I may have misunderstood the question but...glass vase?


 
Posted : 15/05/2012 9:28 pm
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For example, look at the work of Edward Estlin Cummings.

I might submit this proposal in the style of e e cummings then.


 
Posted : 16/05/2012 9:48 am
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I failed so if anyone can come up with one.

...wondrous place...?


 
Posted : 16/05/2012 10:07 am
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'Successful Manager's Handbook"

because

"Successful Managers' Handbook" looks and feels wrong. You could argue that a book is only read by one person at a time, suggesting a singular reader, even if there are several managers the book might appeal to or be written for. (But I think most writers imagine they are talking to one person when they write.*)

But

"The Handbook of Successful Management"

or

"A Handbook for Successful Managers"

or

"How to be a Successful Manager"

might be better titles for that particular handy-sized book.

* A similar problem arises for tech authors when they have to write something for user's/users'. Most folk settle on the singular in that case.

I'm bored.


 
Posted : 16/05/2012 11:48 am