I just find it frustrating that public sector employees who are employed to serve the public are using this coronavirus to get time off work, or whinge and complain that they have got to do their job. I am not just aiming this at teachers who are reportedly 35% down from staff self isolating already, because in my own social work team of 5, within 5 days three have already isolated themselves … its ridiculous and blatant that people are taking the pi$$.
Oh good-oh, glad it's not just teachers you're bitching about, without you knowing anything about any of their personal circumstances. Have a look at how much lower pupil attendance has fallen - there's millions of people you know nothing about that you can complain bitterly about there.
We're closing the pub tmw and we're all, owners and staff, going on half pay or the least we can get away with. We have finite cash reserves, so just hoping we won't be closed for longer than the cash lasts.
Son has been made redundant as the firm has folded.
Looking like several of our suppliers won't be around at the end, certainly with no apparent help coming anytime soon.
Mrs M is a special needs key worker for children so mainly WFH at present with skype meetings etc and some home visits to parents if they are healthy and happy to have visitors.
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The railway (my work) is thinning out its service as demand drops/driver shortages and engineering work is beginning to suffer with staff shortages but as I control the power supplies I have to be there. Our site is on lockdown with no unnecessary visitors and we are contingency planning shift patterns for staff sickness and isolation etc </span>
I just find it frustrating that public sector employees who are employed to serve the public are using this coronavirus to get time off work, or whinge and complain that they have got to do their job.
There are bell-ends everywhere in life. Besides you there was the guy who walked around the supermarket today coughing loudly and violently over everything, including other customers.
Should everyone in the shop be self-isolating now for two weeks? Wind your neck in a bit and see the bigger picture.
timraven - can you offer home deliveries as other pubs have done?
I suppose it depends on your job, but at our place you are still expected to be working if you are self-isolating, unless you are genuinely sick....
It's a stressful time for all of us Mooman, try to do something positive to make yourself feel better instead of taking it out on other people.
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MemberThere are bell-ends everywhere in life. Besides you there was the guy who walked around the supermarket today coughing loudly and violently over everything, including other customers.
Should everyone in the shop be self-isolating now for two weeks? Wind your neck in a bit and see the bigger picture.
As you demonstrate yourself - bell-ends identify themselves everywhere.
But taking the opportunity to get off work - or whinging when they got to do their job is taking the pi$$. I expect that a large portion of front line NHS staff have older family members or young children too .. but they are getting on with the job.
I think it is you who needs to wind their neck in - who is saying people shop isolate if somebody is coughing in a shop: yep bell-ends everywhere!
My employer is discouraging those who can work from home from doing so.
Got to love the retail motor trade. Profit before people every single time.
I just find it frustrating that public sector employees who are employed to serve the public are using this coronavirus to get time off work, or whinge and complain that they have got to do their job. I am not just aiming this at teachers who are reportedly 35% down from staff self isolating already, because in my own social work team of 5, within 5 days three have already isolated themselves … its ridiculous and blatant that people are taking the pi$$.
I have had to send 4 workers home this week due to being at risk, and everyone one of them moaned and tried their best to stay at work. I'm also in the at-risk category and luckily I can WFH but would much rather be sitting in an office as I'm not looking forward to another 11 weeks of this.
Also, bearing in mind the 4 sent home has previously been working flat out for long hours for months dealing with flooding incidents without complaining once. So don't tar everyone with the same brush mooman, maybe be more specific at who are aiming your comments at.
Currently battling to get a scarce laptop so that if we get sent home or I have to self isolate then I can WFH. Of our team of 10, only one is currently "unable" to work and it was the one we all expected
Wife is a Community Nurse, so busy as. Currently off loading as many patients as possible. Many care homes choosing to take on as much CN delivered care as possible. At a cost of course, but better than the cost of C19 ripping through.
My company design & mfr devices for life science suppliers, ventilators being one of them. One item we’d normally do 25k a year, orders for over 50k this week. All stops being pulled out. We are also working alongside one of the consultancies that’s looking at a Heath Robinson ventilator. 20k of them needed in 2-3 weeks. My team support design & Developement. Design are working from home, half the lab are self isolating but supporting as much as they can. I’m doing Tue/Thu in office, home Mom/Wed/Fri. Biggest problems this week were getting clearance for CAD desktops to go home. Oh & the world shortage of VPN licences.
I tell you what though, I’m impressed at how people’s attitude changes when asked to help out with the medical side. Every one of my team have been brilliant.
I won’t lie, I was close to tears when they’d all gone yesterday. I was actually looking forward to seeing them all on MS Teams this morning. This crisis has brought us closer as a team, without a doubt.
Rest of the business likewise, biggest issue is reminding folk to keep their distance.
I’m not looking forward to another 11 weeks of this.
11 months, if not more.
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I have a feeling that I will be WFH until the end of the year. 🤔
I wonder if at the end of this a lot never go back to working in the office. After a time people are going to get used to it, the infrastructure for it will be improved and a lot of companies who’ve seen it work well will see it as a cost saving
I wonder if at the end of this a lot never go back to working in the office. After a time people are going to get used to it, the infrastructure for it will be improved and a lot of companies who’ve seen it work well will see it as a cost saving
That is a concern with all my colleagues as it can end up as some form of cost saving exercise.
I wonder if at the end of this a lot never go back to working in the office. After a time people are going to get used to it, the infrastructure for it will be improved and a lot of companies who’ve seen it work well will see it as a cost saving
Undoubtedly, but as someone who previously worked from home for 5 years I predict a significant mental health issue off the back of it. We are social animals, we need to work with other people around us. You can have as much Skype, Slack, Zoom, Whereby, Hangouts as you like, but we still need some social interaction outwith our families.
I'm a Civil Servant.
Been home based for over 10 years.
Normally 50 hour weeks with a bit of travel.
In current circumstances still doing 50 hour weeks with no travel, helping get and keep our IT running now that we have 20-odd thousand staff wfh.
Bloody lazy civil Servants.
Waves at Kuco as I think we might be distantly connected.
I wonder if at the end of this a lot never go back to working in the office. After a time people are going to get used to it, the infrastructure for it will be improved and a lot of companies who’ve seen it work well will see it as a cost saving
Undoubtedly, but as someone who previously worked from home for 5 years I predict a significant mental health issue off the back of it. We are social animals, we need to work with other people around us. You can have as much Skype, Slack, Zoom, Whereby, Hangouts as you like, but we still need some social interaction outwith our families.
I have to agree.
I've been 'selling' home working as the answer to city over-crowding, travel costs, pollution local and global etc etc to anyone who'll listen to me for years.
We have what's probably a gold standard of home working this week. Dual Screens, VOIP phones, HD Webcams, headsets, all data is cloud based, 300Mbps broadband.
Yeah, obviously there's lots to be fearful of, but **** me, my Anxiety has been off the charts this week with no one to talk to.
Going back to this:
I just find it frustrating that public sector employees who are employed to serve the public are using this coronavirus to get time off work, or whinge and complain that they have got to do their job. I am not just aiming this at teachers who are reportedly 35% down from staff self isolating already, because in my own social work team of 5, within 5 days three have already isolated themselves … its ridiculous and blatant that people are taking the pi$$.
Only one member of staff if my school as been off; everybody else is pulling together to support the most vulnerable. We have had loads of e-mails from parents thanking us for our support. We had already organised and contacted parents about distributing meals, long before Govt announced anything. We are providing 7-7 care for key worker children from Monday and I have not heard any member if staff moan at any point. Your post shows clear prejudice.
Yeah, obviously there’s lots to be fearful of, but **** me, my Anxiety has been off the charts this week with no one to talk to.
Have you not spoken to any of your colleagues about it? As you would if in the office?
We've been messaging and having several calls a day to discuss these interesting times, along with our day-to-day business.
Probably had more significant conversations in this scenario than if we were in the office with everyone else around.
so. 80% of salary paid up to 2.5k for those that cant work. was there any criteria? does child care count? if that is the case that is lifting an absolutely huge amount of stress in our household.
yes I know many are in worse situations, but I was really worried that after a month or so either my wife or I would have a breakdown
My (very initial) reading of it is that it may be to stop employers laying off staff in the industries affected by restrictions, e.g. hospitality, travel, events etc.
is it industry specific?
No mention of that, but inference is people unable to work.
Dunno what it might mean for people laid off, or for self-employed.
Fantastic move by the government; that will certainly avoid a lot of stress for many young families with mortgages. Hopefully a similar scheme will be available for the self-employed etc.
I wonder if they will extend it past the 3mths if things do not improve as much as they want?
Next week working in an empty house available soon for rental, also an elderly customer rang about a side gate he wants making for outside, also offered my services driving vans for anybody local, got to keep busy, helping people, possibly litter picking later in week as well.
So if you get furloughed (my new word of the day)what do you get paid? Your full salary and the government pays up to 80% of that back to your employer or the lesser of £2500pm or 80% of your salary? Makes a difference as to if I put my hand up.
so. 80% of salary paid up to 2.5k for those that cant work. was there any criteria? does child care count? if that is the case that is lifting an absolutely huge amount of stress in our household.
I would imagine a savvy employer would do this to those that are going to struggle to make it in for childcare reasons and keep on those without dependants.
Effectively a civil servant here. Was meant to be on leave this week but cancelled as knew the shit was going to hit the fan. First emails at 5am and last around 9pm every day this week, been relentless.
Really am a Civil Servant here. Work in corporate but sounds like going to get deployed into operations from next week to deal with the fallout. Quite pleased at being able to do something helpful tbh, although highly likely I'll pick it up as a result! Hand sanitiser at the ready 🙂
Had a nice day out today at least for what may be my last AL for a while (OT, but who doesn't like an outside picture to lift the mood)
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Also civil service with the possibility of ops again,
Hand sanitiser at the ready 🙂
Screw that, I was looking for my body armour and pava this afternoon
I was looking for my body armour and pava this afternoon
So MOJ or DWP 😀
MOJ are stopping trials and it’s the great giveaway in benefits, people will be bringing them cakes and toilet rolls!
Could be worse... I left my employer today to head back to the UK
Yesterday we laid off 1100 workers with zero notice. No severance or package.
I'm glad I got out (for other reasons)
I’ve been pleasantly surprised how good my work is. I’m self-employed and started a new 3 month contract on Monday. On Tuesday they told everyone that can to work from home. Yesterday I got an email from them saying they were extending all agency and temp contracts to the end of September. Quite a relief given the piss-poor support for the self-employed from the government so far.
Seems like to company are making some genuine efforts to get relief crew out, and get us home from Guyana in a couple of weeks time.
Although a lot of things have to connect up successfully for this to happen. All balancing around UK, Barbados and Guyana airports staying/being open, affordable small jet charter flights being sourced, and various authorities giving us the go ahead.
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The 80% thing as I understand it:
The govt will pay a grant of 80% of your net salary up to 2500 for each employee not working at the moment.
It's not clear how not working is defined but furloughed is - you are basically sent home and are not allowed to work.
80% is what a company can claim, I assume they have to give that to you if they get it, there's no obligation to top it up further.
Where the company is overstaffed but operational you would assume they would see first who wants to go home for the duration, on 80% pay. For companies shutting down entirely depending on their generosity & cash position they may pay up to the full amount and take the hit.
For the self employed I think you have a tough time ahead. The while furloughed thing is basically the govt washing its hands of the complexity of figuring the mess out. It's binary - can't work 80%, can work no help. How would you figure out a self employed's ability to work? It's tricky and other than maybe some sort of minimum benefits pay and relaxing the payment on taxes it's hard to see how else the govt can intervene easily.
Seems like to company are making some genuine efforts to get relief crew out, and get us home from Guyana in a couple of weeks time.
Although a lot of things have to connect up successfully for this to happen. All balancing around UK, Barbados and Guyana airports staying/being open, affordable small jet charter flights being sourced, and various authorities giving us the go ahead.
Fair play to them seadog.
Fingers crossed for you. Overstaying is crap at the best of times.
Our neighbour and friend set us his sandwich making company in Manchester several years ago.
He delivers using bicycles. Of course he's had to shut down. He's left with a lot of sandwich fillings which are perishable and £2,000 worth of crisps. All of his friends, neighbours and family are going to buy as much stuff as we can.
It's taken years of hard graft to get a good client base and he employs several staff. Worrying indeed.
^ yep. We stocked up on Friday for the weekend, came home and Boris shut us down.
Would have saved us a lot of money if he’d had announced it in the morning
John Lewis to close all stores monday night,
As fotr the 80 % government pay funding you need to apply to the government on the internet listing every employee and their pay , onto a computer program mot yet built or working according yo gov.uk.
Also nothing for self employed, also out cycling today lots of large premises /industrial depots seem to have security vans parked outside, when they havent before, and Soho London restaurant/shops being boarded up to deter looters looking for toilet rolls,
But passed local tip site and huge queues to tip, also New Brighton like a summer sunday,new Brighton has loads of restaurants and all closed, people walking round enjoying the sun, with quite a few carrying multi packs of bog roll
Will there be stipulations on businesses applying for the 80% government scheme, such as they need to keep the employees for 12/24 months after the scheme?
I guess I am just cynical, and imagine there be lots of employers looking to exploit it, and the Tory's not making it as easy as it looks.
I’m one of the 5 million self-employed in this country. It would appear that we’ve been classified by the government as the economic collateral damage.
Things are going to get pretty grim, pretty quickly. Looks like we’re on our own.
we print magazines, including Singletrack.
turnover has dropped of a cliff edge.
reduced hours start soon for 8 weeks, it that is not enough redundancies seem inevitable.
a struggling industry before this shitstorm.
