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In light of what has been said on this thread about people not liking public displays of remembrance, I was wondering if such feelings aren't just a bit de rigeur, and if in fact we should actually be embracing such public displays.
With all the talk of "British Values" we have heard in the last 20 years or so, it seems to me that one way to encourage a sense of pride, warmth, solidarity, etc., is precisely by means of public displays. I think of the sense of community that existed among "Dead Heads" and other concert goers, for example, as they gather to enjoy the performance of a favourite band, is something that could only be engendered by means of such a common experience. What was the original "Live Aid" but a global public act that brought people together with a common sense of hope?
As for Remembrance Day specifically, is there anything wrong with a whole community coming together to honour those who have given their lives for the sake of something bigger than themselves? I don't for one minute think that the thread that got me thinking about this doesn't suggest a very good idea; it's just that I think there is probably some real value in having people come together for a common observance/display - if only to encourage a greater sense of community.
If some people want to gather together in remembrance or celebration, thats up to them shirley.
Is this a specific thread concerning Remembrance Day?
If so, it could be quite long..
As for Remembrance Day specifically, is there anything wrong with a whole community coming together to honour those who have given their lives for the sake of something bigger than themselves?
No. Not at all. It is very positive.
But it's quite a unique culture.
I personally prefer to take a different approach when I can.
For the record I attend our event at the memorial in Dunblane, my boys also as they play in the band or attend through the uniformed youth organisations they are in.
I take the point about shared emotion and experience at large public gatherings - you get the same thing at big sporting events
However in recent years in the UK remembrance events seem to me to be more about being seen at them for politicians and political point scoring rather than being true to what they should be
Having said that I will be working on the 11th and I will do my best to make sure everyone notes it and we hold the minutes silence. anyone any ideas on how to do this without sounding too preachy?
There seems to be an increase in those making noise about not attending a remembrance parade, the same ones suddenly noticing MPs attend too even though they always have.
No one actually cares if you do or don’t go, if your poppy is red, white or purple. Do what you want to do.
seem to me to be more about being seen at them for politicians
you just can't tell what they are thinking while they are there though. It is possible they go because they have to, they might go because they want to, it might be both. There is probably more of a problem with people attaching the meaning that they want to to these things
Drac - thisis the sort of thing I mean. I bet you there are attacks on corbyn for some perceived slight this year no matter what he does.
Another added: "Unbelievable disrespect from Jeremy Corbyn turning up in a scruffy anorak for Remembrance Sunday. Even the hood was inside out. One step up from Michael Foot’s donkey jacket! Can’t he afford a black overcoat? This man wants to lead our Country. I’m not having that."
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyns-coat-armistice-day-service-cenotaph-218346
One step up from Michael Foot’s donkey jacket!
Except that Foot never wore a ‘donkey jacket’ to the Remembrance Day wreath laying!
He wore a short wool overcoat that his wife had bought him, at some expense, apparently. Donkey jackets have either a leather or later a vinyl panel across the shoulders.
That's actually a great photo. MF wearing a bog-standard poppy. MT wearing an over-the-top bastardisation of one because, as we all know, it's all about show anyway.
I heartily recommend Poppy® Watch on Twitter.
Wait what? Wearing jackets and not somber suits isn’t new?
Well that’s not news.
As with all aspects of the human condition, mass displays of social cohesion can be both positive and negative.
The torchlight procession at Lourdes vs the Nuremberg Rallies, as perhaps extreme examples.
I'm sure both engendered the same feelings of acceptance, togetherness and commonality of purpose?
I thought it would be good to head to the local war memorial last year. Really regretted it, felt like a church service which I found pretty offensive and denigrated the sacrifice made.
To me this is a tricky area. I think its right for a moment of contemplation and education. " lest we forget" and I think some public act is good. However the BBC are running a trailer about some commemoration with songs from second rate pop singers. I didn't grasp the detail of what exactly.
I would rather a silent montage of devastating scenes to effing leona Lewis singing something.
The whole poppy thing is the constant source of attempts to hijack it by the jingoistic.
I thought it would be good to head to the local war memorial last year. Really regretted it, felt like a church service which I found pretty offensive and denigrated the sacrifice made.
Maybe you should organise your own in future.
I think I’m pretty at odds with the rest of the U.K. on this one.
I don’t really know what purpose it serves anymore? It’s been twisted from a ceremony to remember those who gave their lives and to ensure we never make the same mistakes again to a nationalistic congratulatory thing.
Mostly though I’m sick of sad middle age men all having a circle-jerk about Wars, and the military. They see WW2 as some great triumph, they’re really just a bunch of Walts, they wanted nothing to do with the Military when they were young, but now they’re safely too old and fat to be of any use they can’t get enough of it.
‘The War’ ended 70+ years ago, maybe it is time we forgot, because the lesson has been lost and is now more pro-war than anti.
I think I’m pretty at odds with the rest of the U.K. on this one.
Or maybe just at odds with those who express an opinion.
‘The War’ ended 70+ years ago, maybe it is time we forgot, because the lesson has been lost and is now more pro-war than anti.
Via Twitter: one ceremony had a band playing Rule Britannia.
Was expecting a rant about street rappers, much disappointed.
I thought it would be good to head to the local war memorial last year. Really regretted it, felt like a church service which I found pretty offensive and denigrated the sacrifice made
They have been like that for 40 years at least around here
To me this is a tricky area. I think its right for a moment of contemplation and education. ” lest we forget” and I think some public act is good. However the BBC are running a trailer about some commemoration with songs from second rate pop singers. I didn’t grasp the detail of what exactly.
I would rather a silent montage of devastating scenes to effing leona Lewis singing something.
The whole poppy thing is the constant source of attempts to hijack it by the jingoistic.
I share the lack of desire to watch this type of thing and really do question the taste of the TV people who commission this sort of tripe.
But I'm not sure you can call Leona Lewis "jingoistic"
Via Twitter: one ceremony had a band playing Rule Britannia.
I'm sure there were plenty of other bad choices as well, trying to confect outrage from them is a long stretch though. Is there an accepted list of tunes to be badly played by a half frozen brass band?
But I’m not sure you can call Leona Lewis “jingoistic”
Not my intention
She is a second rate warbler who has no business in a solemn remembrance serve and these things sometimes get hijacked
Maybe you should organise your own in future.
Maybe you should grow up?
When I lived in South Manchester people simply congregated at the war memorial. No one said anything. We stood in silence until the last post was played.
If you want a church service, go to church.
All about Rule 1...
Well just been and done my public display, there was some words, the last post, some marching and reef laying.
Respects paid and met up with a friend I’ve not seen in months.
Not sure if it was too religious or not.
Not my intention
She is a second rate warbler who has no business in a solemn remembrance serve and these things sometimes get hijacked
She is as welcome as anyone at a remembrance service. The singing and choice of song might be up for grabs as not you cup of tea but she has every right to be there.
The problem with all this is the point that your choice of way of remembrance is up to you. Don't assume it's The only way or the right way, it's just your way.
Same goes for the poppy the plethora of other poppies starts to narrow what the original basis should be, a simple way of recognising the loss associated with war and by implication starts to narrow the meaning for some and then creates division where there was none.
The white poppy has been going for a long time as well
I just do not get why you get pop singers at remembrance. Its totally inappropriate IMO
Talking about totally inappropriate but my pedantry just wouldn’t let this lie...
reef laying
Coral blimey mate...
Ooops! 😂
The white poppy has been going for a long time as well
Yup after WWI iirc.
, is there anything wrong with a whole community coming together to honour those who have given their lives for the sake of something bigger than themselves?
We cycled past several remembrance things this morning, hardly the whole community, just a few scouts / cadets and the Church / OAP brigade. Doesn't bother me in the slightest, but equally have no interest whatsoever in taking part.
Maybe you should grow up?
I'm not the one whining about being offended, maybe you ought to embrace a bit of tolerance.
Perhaps the pair of you could have a word with yourselves; not the time, not the day to be acting the goat.
I've attended and watched remembrance services for over 40 years that I can remember. I don't recall any that made me feel they were in anyway nationalistic or congratulatory, though I've seen all sorts of bollocks from people who would like them to be that way. Always focused on sacrifice and loss, and gratitude for what they had to go through.
Our last vicar was German. Remembrance services were very poignant with her.
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Daily Mail’s end level boss
Express in attack Corbyn shocker
Corbyn doing exactly what he's done on the 4 previous Remembrance Sundays.
Express publishing shit - what a shocker.
He’s a new jacket though.
I was going to include that in my post.
exactly as I predicted. Its abhorrent to use this for political purposes
exactly as I predicted. Its abhorrent to use this for political purposes
TBF, it's not beneath the Express to do any number of other abhorrent things to sell papers / adverts.
Its abhorrent to use this for political purposes
Hardly abhorrent, the dead are still dead and it doesn't affect the living* in any way whatsoever.
* obviously the professionally offended will be over the moon at having something else to be offended by....
exactly as I predicted. Its abhorrent to use this for political purposes
Given how shambolic johnson was yesterday you would have thought they would have given it a miss this time.
exactly as I predicted. Its abhorrent to use this for political purposes
It's the standard clickbait format. Don't really see a massive conspiracy. If people bought left wing tabloids there would have been "Johnson in massive disrespectful outrage as he fails to comb hair" clickbait.
footflaps - stop trying to be offensive with dim comments. You know the point which was being made.
It’s all a bit War Christmas for me.
Well on my ward most of us stood still and silent for the two minutes silence - but phones kept ringing and its clear that in many parts of the system people were not taking notice of it.
This rather annoyed me. I refused to answer the ringing phone ( which IMO the person making the call should have not made that call) but one of my colleagues did
Any point in making a fuss about this? I really have no idea who or how to contact the right folk.
I would have liked a mass email from the big bosses to ask that the silence be respected but there wasn't one
thoughts?
You may start a little war? ... that would be ironic aye ??
Move on and next year take the "phones of the hook" (ha ... what an old phrase) at 10:59
Good luck
thoughts?
Stop worrying about it no one is actually bothered as you and others were at work.