The Met Office says summers will be 40C by 2060. The weather tomorrow, however, remains a mystery to them!
I wonder what’s the next latest distraction we will be told to support?
98% of climate scientists agree
They don’t. But even if they did, then so what – science is about finding the truth, it is not a popularity contest.
Meanwhile whilst we self-flagellate ourselves here in the West, the whole nations of China and India, all 3 billion of them, judging by the rate at which they are expanding their fossil fuel usage, do not seemingly agree that man-made CO2 is a problem.
As China and India fuel up their newest coal fired power stations giving them cheap, abundant and reliable energy, they must be laughing about how we are crippling our own economies and impoverishing ourselves here in the West with our deluded push to Net Zero. They must look on in utter disbelief as we hamstring ourselves with an obsessive guilt complex (bordering on a mental health problem) about issues relating to climate, race, gender, diversity, whether a woman can have a penis, whether a man can get pregnant, the sins of our grandfathers etc, etc.
That said, China and India seem perfectly happy to let us continue down our path of self-destruction. Perhaps that is because they are making so much money from us all, selling us billions of dollars of solar panels and EV’s and all of the other things they now manufacture for us as we sink further and further into debt.
They used to say that the greatest threat would come from Chinese military might. Surpassing that of the USA even. But you have to wonder why China would even need a military when their future enemies (us in the West) seem to have already lost their collective minds.
So what’s the solution then guys?
If you truly believe that man-made CO2 is the problem (I don’t by the way). But if you do, then you need to start putting severe pressure on China and India to mend their ways. All of you do now, as a matter of urgency. As you say, we only have a small window to act. Otherwise, without significant change of course in China and India, whatever else you do, however grand and fashionable, is simply akin to re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
So instead of blocking roads in London, perhaps go and protest in China by blocking their roads? Perhaps instead of giving up home farmed beef, you should instead be boycotting all Chinese made products and goods from your life? Perhaps you should write to a Chinese MP to tell them how you feel? Perhaps go to China with your vegan cookbook and cook for them, so they realise how wrong they are about their diet and how tasty, delicious and healthy not eating meat could be. Perhaps instead of supporting a ULEZ scheme that taxes UK residents, pressure our MP’s to apply extra tariffs onto the Chinese for the privilege of importing their goods to us? Perhaps support a ban on our own Western car manufacturers from selling our luxury petrol powered cars into China and India past 2030? Perhaps you could make up a derogatory term for Chinese and Indian people to try and shame them into compliance, a bit like we did with the anti-vaxxers? I’m all ears to other ideas if anyone has any better suggestions?
But will any of you do any of this – or are you all just a bunch of moaning old Guardian reading, BBC licence fee paying, wet lettuces?
This thread has surely got the record for attracting the highest number of new members just to post on it. They already seem to know we are Guardian reading and BBC license fee paying. Guessing they think we believe Covid was real as well.
Go away aeronrides.
Well look who it is. Another green expert who does not agree with the agenda.
Greenpeace co-founder, Dr. Patrick Moore, on the genocidal consequences of Net Zero
Anyone remember conservationist David Bellamy, the English Botanist and TV presenter? Got cancelled by the BBC after outing the man made CO2 warming BS. How many more have they cancelled?
Again, all scientists agree of course, provided you censor the ones who don't agree.
I mean, the largest investor in renewables is China, and by quite some margin but nevermind.
I mean, the largest investor in renewables is China, and by quite some margin but nevermind.
Ah but you are just believing what the Guardian, BBC, Bill Gates tells you.
Well, nothing I can do about it now Ive had that 5g chip injected (any idea how those things work btw, did they install a modem at birth, and whats the power supply? Coz otherwise surely its just some inert material ?)
Money spent on renewables is irrelevant if you have to build another 100 coal power stations to back them up.
The Spectator on point here I'd say:
We are living in an age of incredible environmental achievement. Things are good and getting better. Studies suggest UK carbon emissions are at their lowest since Victorian times and London’s air quality is purer now than under the Stuarts four hundred years ago. The average household now uses almost a third less energy than it did even 20 years ago. Energy from renewables will soon overtake that from fossil fuels.
We are learning to tread more lightly on the planet – thanks mainly to the forces of technology, innovation and consumer choice. This is driven by a desire of millions of people to lead a cleaner, greener lives.
But as we see all over Europe, these same people are unwilling to believe the more hyperbolic claims of politicians and pay large taxes for pointless schemes. The Tories may not yet be willing to drop May’s commitment to reach net zero by 2050. But any party which wants to win the next election is going to have to convince the public that green policies are not going to condemn them to a poorer future – and be prepared to relax cherished green policies where necessary.
I still remember groaning the day May waved that pledge through with barely a debate 🤦🏻♂️
I’ll just leave this here
BBC propaganda as usual. Aren't we lucky to be forced to pay to terrify ourselves with this tripe 🙄
I love how when criticising the accuracy of weather forecasts V climate change forecasts all I hear is "Climate isn't weather!!!" yet "weather*" is allowed to be a proxy for climate when it makes for scary imagery 🤔
*Arson and poor land management practices
BBC propaganda as usual. Aren’t we lucky to be forced to pay to terrify ourselves with this tripe
LOL after quoting the spectator.
Britain should not obsess about cutting its carbon emissions, Sir Tony Blair said yesterday.
In a break with Labour policy, the former prime minister suggested it was futile to make big sacrifices to drive down the UK's emissions when they are dwarfed by those from countries such as China.
Holy **** !! Other than admitting in his book that the Hunting Act was a mistake- that's the first sensible thing the man has said.
Hopefully you'll all be tweeting your cute memes at him to re-educate him 🤣
The Met Office says summers will be 40C by 2060. The weather tomorrow, however, remains a mystery to them!
Weather forecasting is predicting what numbers the dice will roll tomorrow.
Climate prediction is understanding how the dice are weighted and how that weighting will change with time - these are very different things
@piemonster beat me to it. I just think and do as instructed by the 5g chip implant. My life is so much easier without free-thought.
By the way, I think they're powered by the magnetic radiation from power lines 🤷🏼♂️ your modem question, however, brings back a 4th directive error in my core user system. YMMV
I'm not sure that the mods have time to read every post Daz but don't let that distract you from your cornflakes
Make me a mod and I’ll do it for them.
And what was that about China?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/29/china-wind-solar-power-global-renewable-energy-leader
Edukator
Renewable and carbon neutral dung and wood versus CO2 and methane emitting LPG – the higher the LPG price for 1.5 BILLION people the better.
Renewables, stevextc, renewables and reducing consumption, anythjing else will exacerbate the mess we’re in. More storms and landslides here in areas stable since the last ice age last night in places we’d cycled through hours before but kept moving. Those alertes on the phone sure are persistent.
Help me understand this... you want to increase the amount of CO2 released because "anythjing else will exacerbate the mess we’re in"
Do you deny anthropomorphic climate change ?
Do you think it has nothing to do with CO2 emissions ?
Do you just not care about climate change or think it's not that important compared to using something "organic" and if millions die that's fine?
Do you think the word "renewables" is magic along with anything labelled "eco" or "green"?
Are you unaware that dung and wood release more CO2 than LPG or do you just deny that dung and wood release more CO2 than LPG?
Burning wood efficiently results in 2.5 times higher CO2 than natural gas (used in a stove with smokestack) but gathering wood and just burning it loose to boil your drinking water is worse.
Are you unaware that dung and wood release more CO2 than LPG or do you just deny that dung and wood release more CO2 than LPG?
I think the point is how much carbon does wood and dung lock in during its lifetime versus how much is released when burnt. Is it about the same?
Can you say the same about LPG usage?
I think the point is how much carbon does wood and dung lock in during its lifetime versus how much is released when burnt. Is it about the same?
Can you say the same about LPG usage?
That's the quasi science approach again... you want to compare apples and oranges.
The amount of CO2 captured by dung or wood will be EXACTLY the same regardless of it it's burned or not.
Burning gas instead will not affect how much wood or dung is produced nor how much carbon it sequesters but it will reduce the CO2 released into the atmosphere significantly.
This is the same old arguments of "it's natural so it must be better so lets look elsewhere.
greentricky
Who is doing that?
It's in this thread a page or so previous.
Careful now, you’ll get banned for challenging the right of the trolls to use this place as a platform for their right-wing pro-oil companies campaign. Personally I reckon creating a new account to post conspiracy theory bollocks should be met with an instant ban and deletion of the posts but someone somewhere seems to disagree.
You were banned for abuse, Said troll was also dealt with, they’re a repeat offender.
People have the right to post conflicting arguments against a discussion, even if they are bat shit crazy claims. However, please discuss why not just hurl abuse. If we find evidence they only posted to troll they will be removed.
Lots of talk about China and India on here yet the USA is exponentially worse when it comes to carbon footprint per capita.
I have a couple of suggestions for you, Stevexctc. Read other people's posts more carefully and thoroughly before replying to them. Then reread your own replies equally carefully and thoroughly before hitting return.
You've clearly misread mine and I'm sure everyone else is reading your replies and shaking their heads at the same points as me so there's no need to elaborate.
My wood burner is fueled with wood from trimming/felling trees in my neighbours gardens. There are just as many trees growing in those gardens as twenty years ago - no change in stored carbon. The trees get trimmed/felled with an electric chain saw, split with a hydraulic splitter (collectively owned) and transported in a whell barrow. That's about as close to carbon neutral fuel as you'll get.
When the local electricty mix is 100% renewable even in mid Winter I'll use electricity, till then I believe reducing CO2 emisions is more important than improving local air quality. I need about 3800 kWh of heat in a typical Winter, that's as close to passive house standards as I can get with retro-fitting a 1930s house - though I've got some ideas based on creating and living in a super-insulated part of the house for the few really cold weeks in Winter.
This thread has surely got the record for attracting the highest number of new members just to post on it.
members is definitely the best description for sure. Anthropogenic climate change is real. What you believe has no bearing on that. So I’m just enjoying reading the uneducated shite being posted by some. It’s just like flat earth, Covid and (whispers it) organised religion. Some people just want to be part of a gang, even if it is a really, really crap one.
Citing David Bellamy is class too. He claimed 555 of the worlds 625 major glaciers were growing, not shrinking. The team who monitor them for a living gave the rather curt reply of “bullshit” Bellamy was a great botanist and full of energy and passion. Something went awry though. He didn’t even have any evidence to back up his ascertains. Just unfounded claims with nothing behind them. All rather sad really.
There needs to be some sort of specialist mental health programme set up for oil and gas workers in the coming years. As it begins to become obvious what they have been a part of the toll on their mental health will be enormous. I'm not talking about the CEOs and the Think tankers - but the average roughneck, fabricator etc.
ideally the O&G industry should fund it - but they are quite happy to burn everything down.
Perhaps something that should be part of the inevitable wider diversification programme for eg Aberdeen
If they’re anything like ex-miners then they won’t give a shit and will whine for 40 years about them closing down.
I was mtbing with oil and gas workers this morning. They know that they're no more responsible than any other person switching on their gas central heating, firing up their ICE car or flying half way around the world to ride an mtb, ski or get sunburnt. It's the people creating the demand that are the problem. If you drink, smoke dope or snort coke take your part of the responsibilty for the resulting social issues, crime and violence rather than blaming the government, the police, the drug cartels and dealers, social services... .
I met some New Zealanders having a holiday riding TdeF cols a couple of days ago. They'd flown half way around the world, rented a stinking old diesel van and were driving it around behind the riders on every circuit they did. I did a count in the car park at the top of the Soulor, about a quarter of the stinking cars/vans smoking out the cyclists were following cyclists - not a single EV seen on either col. I wouldn't fly to New Zealand to ride a bike, I understand the consequences.
So how much hotter is it now, compared to 10, 20, 30, 100, 200, 500 years ago?
Note the last line on that graph and now go look for a graph of this year's sea ice versus historic records - I saw one in the Guardian today. This year looks like breaking point in that respect.
Edit: found it:
That graph only goes back goes back to 1860. Is it accurate? How would the curve change if more data was provided going back 500 years? Are the same temp gauges used over the entire period? And this has something to do with man-released CO2? How does that work? CO2 levels during the Cambrian period, which is the earliest that humans could have survived on the planet, were around 1500ppm, with around 40% less oxygen. Politicians are claiming this week that the world is literally boiling at 400ppm. Presumably the world was more than literally boiling back then?
The Cambrian was between two ice ages. 😉
When there's abundant literature on the subject in the public domain there's no need to presume, you can just type appropriate key words and read. Humans would have had trouble surviving on the planet in the Cambrian, really, there weren't even any land plants until the Ordovician.
Its all out there from scientists with much greater understanding
Yes that graph is accurate Read the sources. What are you trying to say?
What are you trying to say?
I think it is obvious. Despite apparently knowing that CO2 levels during the Cambrian period, which is the earliest that humans could have survived on the planet, were around 1500ppm, with around 40% less oxygen, grimep lacks your googling skills to find the graph that you found.
Reel 'em in grimep!
Prompted by this thread, i took a look down the bottom of my garden earlier, and i didn't see even a single wildfire. In fact, there were two butterflies and a bumblebee.
Crisis averted.
Is it accurate?
No, it's all made up.
That graph stops at 2000. Is it accurate? How would the curve change if post 2000 data was included?
With a big increase in pirate activity in the Horn of Africa 2000-2015 I consider the figure of 17 (approx) pirates questionable.
To those in deniers - while it is always good to question things there is a point where certain things (i.e. climate change) have been researched, analysed, questioned, theorised etc,. by so many intelligent and knowledgable people with a great set of skills to be able to do all that where you are not going to catch anyone out so I suppose that is when you have to go for the conspiracy, BBC, Guardian, Bill Gates and so on in desperation.
That desperation then just makes you look like the fool you are.
