[Closed] Clarkson 'n-word' furore!

similar comments from other dinosaurs like ron atkinson, andy gray etc have sounded the death knell of their careers

To be fair, Atkinson's was directly referring to a player wasn't it? While Clarkson is clearly a massive cock, his sin isn't as bad as Atkinson's (IMO of course). Taken in context, Big Ron's usage had more racist overtones. I expect once again that Clarkson will be let away with it. It appears that lots of folk enjoy the fact that he annoys lots of folk too much.

Indeed. It would be boring if we all laughed at the same things. So they can go for something simpler, like Clarkson, Lee Mack or Michael McIntyre. There's something for everyone these days.

*admires Darcy's [fishing] rod*

The use of the word slope as a racist term did it for me, considering the missus is Asian.

Tom, can you just explain that one briefly for me please? (Genuine question.)

[i]It's not an act.
His genius is convincing those he genuinely despises that it is.[/i]

This is it for me. He's very good at convincing people that he's just playing a game when in reality, these are his real, personal views.

What tipped it for me was when he drove up the arse of a cyclist in his range rover and then claimed the cyclist really wanted a fat, angry, impatient tosser in a 3 ton car right behind him.
This created a huge backlash on twitter as well as masses of sociopathic vitriol from crazy/stupid people. Clarkson only complained about the cyclists tweets while ignoring the scarily nasty tweets to kill people in his timeline.

Think about that when you're worshipping him.

It's not an act.
His genius is convincing those he genuinely despises that it is.

This is it for me. He's very good at convincing people that he's just playing a game when in reality, these are his real, personal views.

Of course they are his real personal views, I'm amazed that anyone should even doubt it.

And it is these real personal views which are all part of a highly lucrative act.

In the same as Stewart Lee's real personal views are part of his, not quite so lucrative, act. Or did think that because it was part of an act Stewart Lee didn't actually believe all the things he said ?

It's precisely because I have little doubt that Clarkson is expressing his real personal views that I think he's such a ****.

Or they don't find him funny

Because it goes over their heads?

Double post.
Sorry.

Funnily enough, the Top Gear/JC threads used to be packed with people saying just that;
He didn't mean a word of it.

Opinion appears to be changing and the media seem to have the smell of blood this time.
Here's hoping.

This is why my marmalade jar doesn't have a golly wog on any more isn't it!

Funnily enough, the Top Gear/JC threads used to be packed with people saying just that;
He didn't mean a word of it.

Really ? I've always tended to avoid the Top Gear/JC threads, basically cause I think Clarkson's a ****. I haven't read most of this thread. And TBH I'm not too sure what all the fuss is about this time, perhaps lack of interest has caused me to fail to understand what he has done that's particularly outrageous.

Did I mention that I think he's a **** ?

Is Stuart Lee supposed to be funny?
[s]Yup[/s] Nope.

Or they don't find him funny.
Indeed. It would be boring if we all laughed at the same things. So they can go for something simpler, like Clarkson, Lee Mack or Michael McIntyre. There's something for everyone these days.

How the hell do people get hold of the "unseen TG footage"?

If the footage is not publicly broadcasted then who released it?

😯

Don't find any of them funny either.
I find very little current British 'humour' to be in any way amusing. Especially bloody McIntyre; do they issue the audience with tanks of NO to make them laugh at his pathetic attempts at 'jokes'?

The suspense is killing me, come on, spit it out........who [i]do[/i] you actually find funny ?

If the footage is not publicly broadcasted then who released it?

mikewsmith - Member

If the footage is not publicly broadcasted then who released it?

Somebody in the production team steals it and keeps it safe until they either find a new job or get pissed off then sells it to a newspaper for some cash.

If it is stolen then it should be his personal private view so I don't see a problem there.

Nobody is whiter than white put it this way and even for the individual(s) that sold the clip is not an angel but perhaps an opportunist thieving scumbag(s).

🙄

Tom, can you just explain that one briefly for me please? (Genuine question.)

'm not sure Lee has hit the heights of his Top Gear sketch that often, but he is excellent. It's a sophisticated humour - full of nuance

Stewart Lee's comedy vehicle was the best thing on tv recently and the stuff he did post the Jerry Springer Opera controversy about vomitting into the gaping anus of christ was really quite funny.

Here he is talking about UKIP

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3HMhWB95ldQ

I've gone from being a TG fan to not really caring. When I heard this I thought 'and'? Its almost as though things are being said/or not to keep attention. Cynical but.

Hora +1

forget WGAF and ask why does anyone.....?

I find very little current British 'humour' to be in any way amusing. Especially bloody McIntyre; do they issue the audience with tanks of NO to make them laugh at his pathetic attempts at 'jokes'?

*Slow hand clap* 🙄

I am not a fan of Clarkson however I must confess I did once read one of those ranty books he has had published, in the particular book I read he sets out a perfectly superb case for the twinnining of African villages and towns with British villages and towns instead of the european ones favoured by most British Town councils.
The ideas he proposed was cross-pollination of school kids and assistance with development projects, maybe if he had actually initiated this superb idea he could have actually done something worthwhile, apologies for the lack of detail cannot remember the name of the book.

Now, that Stephen K Amos, now he was funny - wonder why we don't see much of him on TV any more?

I’ve just heard it on 5LIVE with an MP calling for him to be sacked.

He mumbles out the offensive words deliberately, going out of his way to say them. The MP said he must have thought the words, presumably so he wouldn’t say them, and for that reason he has to go. For thinking something through in order to avoid saying it!?

In this case it isn’t Clarkson who a waste of public money.

A non-story about something that didn’t happen spread by people who have their own agenda.

His apology non-apology is odd.

Nice way to casually belittle everyone that actually does find him funny.

How is suggesting an audience needs a laughing gas (N20 that is not NO but never mind) belittling those that find him funny? Or is this another case of being outraged because you have the right?

Now, that Stephen K Amos, now he was funny - wonder why we don't see much of him on TV any more?

Clarkson got him blackballed.

The MP said he must have thought the words...

Ah 1984 at last.

hora - Member

I've gone from being a TG fan to not really caring. When I heard this I thought 'and'? Its almost as though things are being said/or not to keep attention. Cynical but.

I doubt that things are being said to draw attention, it's hardly doing Clarkson or the BBC any favours when even David Cameron is forced to distance himself from the latest controversy his mate has caused.

Although I do share the bewilderment in trying to figure out why a clip, made apparently several years ago, never broadcast, and which needs a team of professional "audio forensic experts" to tell us whether or not we should be offended, is causing such a fuss when considering that Clarkson has been a **** for many years.

I don't recall the incident in which Clarkson freely described someone as a "one eyed Scottish idiot", which was clearly designed to deliberately insult and offend, and which he said directly facing a camera that he knew was recording him, causing him any serious problems or effecting his career.

So why the fuss over this latest story which was so ambiguous that the newspaper who broke it had to hire a team of experts so that we could be told if we had been offended ?

The point isn't whether he actually annunciated '****' but the choice of that rhyme. It is a rhyme that was popular when racism (casual and otherwise) was rife, and is clearly unacceptable by today's standards. The people who wrote it into the script, who approved and who said it should all take responsibility. And presumably it wasn't aired as it was deemed offensive.

Ooh, thread has take an unexpected turn 😉
I haven't got my "own agenda".. I think Clarkson is pretty much like a radio 1 DJ - has people convinced he's a comedian, when he's not remotely funny. Couldn't give a toss if he's sacked, imprisoned, lynched, whatever for saying the dreaded n-word, it's the press reporting of it that wound me up (a little bit). I get more wound up driving on the motorway to work, to be honest.

So why the fuss over this latest story which was so ambiguous that the newspaper who broke it had to hire a team of experts so that we could be told if we had been offended ?

I think it comes on the back of his recent "slope" on a bridge insult. And also the recent stories about the American basketball club owner, and the banana throwing at Spanish football being turned into an anti-racism internet meme.

How is suggesting an audience needs a laughing gas (N20 that is not NO but never mind) belittling those that find him funny?

You can't figure that out ? 🙂

And I'm still desperate to find out who CountZero actually finds funny. I want to be like him and only laugh at the correct comedians.

This thread is very negative 🙁

Aww, don't be sad, just post funny shit like you usually do...

And presumably it wasn't aired as it was deemed offensive.

The plot thickens......should I be offended by something which wasn't aired because it was deemed offensive ?

I think it comes on the back of his recent "slope" on a bridge insult.

I can see how that might add to the furore. I don't pay much attention to what Clarkson says so perhaps I'm not too aware of who he's been insulting recently.

The point isn't whether he actually annunciated '****' but the choice of that rhyme. It is a rhyme that was popular when racism (casual and otherwise) was rife, and is clearly unacceptable by today's standards.

But the origin isn't the one with the N word in that was just a version of it, my kids certainly don't use that version. So how do we know what word he mumbled.

[i]And I'm still desperate to find out who CountZero actually finds funny. [/i]

Ooh,ooh! I know the answer! It's... ME 😀

This thread is very dull.

As are most JC/TopGear threads.

Is the weather a bit shite ATM or perhaps other News stories more or less suppliment publication only?

The clips from 2012? Maybe you should have all got a bit shirty back then.

We got "shirty" when we saw it which, as you well know, was very recently. Its not like it has been out there since he said it and we have all waited to express an opinion.

A non-story about something that didn’t happen spread by people who have their own agenda.

* I have never heard it tbh we did ip dib dog shit

Regardless of this clip, does anyone actually think that Clarkson is a racist? Surely that's the point isn't it?

The BBC have double standards. The Top Gear franchise is, I believe, one of the highest revenue earners for the BBC. Hence reluctance to sack him for his numerous insulting remarks. Now he is backtracking with pathetic apologies for something he "didn't" say.

fervouredimage - dunno never met him

all we have to go by is the stuff we see in the media, like when he says n*****

[i]Regardless of this clip, does anyone actually think that Clarkson is a racist? Surely that's the point isn't it?[/i]

That was sort of [i]my point[/i], right back at the start.

No I don't think he is, not seen anything he's said or read that's suggested that he may be to me anyway. Ironic it's the Daily Mail who are calling him racist the paper famous for anti-muslim slander.

That was sort of my point, right back at the start.

Yeah but is Stewart Lee funny that's the real crux of the matter.

If people spent as much time and effort getting outraged about the real issues in the world and not trivial nonsense like this then the world would be a far better place.

The plot thickens......should I be offended by something which wasn't aired because it was deemed offensive ?

If people spent as much time and effort getting outraged about the real issues in the world and not trivial nonsense like this then the world would be a far better place.

If people spent as much time and effort getting outraged about the real issues in the world and not trivial nonsense like this then the world would be a far better place.

Don't turn this into another 29 vs 650B thread.

So he might just be a boorish tosser rather than a card-carrying racist?

We should be more worried by the fact he bought a house on the Isle of Man and then tried getting the coastal path diverted in land so Oiks [can I use that word ?] didnt walk across his land.
Sums him up really arse hole

If people spent as much time and effort getting outraged about the real issues in the world and not trivial nonsense like this then the world would be a far better place.

Good point, racism isn't real, it's just a trivial fairy story.

We should be more worried by the fact he bought a house on the Isle of Man and then tried getting the coastal path diverted in land so Oiks [can I use that word ?] didnt walk across his land

We covered that on here all those years ago.

Regardless of this clip, does anyone actually think that Clarkson is a racist? Surely that's the point isn't it?

Regardless of this clip, does anyone actually think that Clarkson is a racist? Surely that's the point isn't it?

I'll put my hand up and say "yes" to thinking that Top Gear is pervasively racist. I don't know how much Clarkson and the other two presenters input into the script and other editorial decisions, so I don't feel informed enough to call how much of that might or might not originate from Clarkson specifically, but all three of them at the very least accept it by saying the lines.

There's the Mexican thing, the 'slope' thing, quite a bit of the Indian special, the one-eyed Scottish idiot thing, this '****' thing now, the "holds up a pie, and a key" thing (sorry, casual racism about Gypsies and Travellers is the one that's still generally acceptable, including in here, isn't it?)... there has to come a point where you can't continue to excuse it as "isolated lapse of editorial judgement" and consider the whole.

If people spent as much time and effort getting outraged about the real issues in the world and not trivial nonsense like this then the world would be a far better place.

Racism isn't a real issue?

Racism isn't a real issue?

Is "nurrrnum" a racist word now?

Sorry to move away from Jezza for a minute but

And I'm still desperate to find out who CountZero actually finds funny.

it's sunny out for those of you that ride bikes.

does anyone actually think that Clarkson is a racist?

IME people who make lots of racist "jokes" and play on lazy stereotypes tend to be sympathetic to the view they are constantly expressing.

I am not sure why anyone would think otherwise tbh.
If you dont believe it why are you constantly saying/doing it?

it's sunny out for those of you that ride bikes.

I feel sorry for those that don't having to put up with the rain.

Is "nurrrnum" a racist word now?

Not sure that we should be taking advice on what constitutes racism from the guy who said he would carry on using the word 'chinky'.

I was more surprised to read the Beeb's defence of the "slope" comment

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/27236363

"It has subsequently been brought to our attention, that the word slope is considered by some to be offensive, for example in Australia and the USA.
"If we had known that at the time we would not have broadcast the word in this context and regret any offence caused

Really? It never occurred to anyone on the production team that a nickname for a race of people might be offensive?

Clarkson is a light entertainment TV personality. There's nothing else to him (as far as the public is concerned) apart from whether he is likeable or not.

This is very true, but this should be seen in the context that TV, and TV shows with high ratings, have quite an influence on British culture. So if causal bigotry is deemed acceptable on TV then it is likely to be deemed more acceptable in wider society.

For a thread about a word causing offence, there's an awful lot of words replaced with asterisks, aren't there?

Not sure that we should be taking advice on what constitutes racism from the guy who said he would carry on using the word 'chinky'.

That took a lot longer than I thought. So is nurrrrnum racist or not?

So he DID use the word, then. Otherwise, what's he apologising for?

Oh well. F him, then. (shrug)

I'm conflicted. What if I listen to rap and comedians that use the N word? How am I supposed to feel?

have people actually heard the video? he definately does not say nurrnnn

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/video-watch-jeremy-clarkson-use-3481201

Dont hear anyone moaning they put all the eye candy directly behind them in any studio shots, so blatant sexism is fine... pot kettle? Best not say black...

He's an arse.

But we knew that from his attitude to cyclists and... well almost everyone
Better to have him repentant and calmer on TV than a martyr off it.
But should do 4 weeks on a tandem with people from the nations and races he's insulted as penance

Dont hear anyone moaning they put all the eye candy directly behind them in any studio shots, so blatant sexism is fine... pot kettle?

Oh that's been covered here too in the past.

have people actually heard the video? he definately does not say nurrnnn

Yes. He doesn't say the N word either.

I am surprised the bit in the BBC snooker yesterday about the nationalities of snooker players (the potless section) didn't offend some. The old-fashioned assumption that an person with an Indian name and, presumably, dark skin could not be a Brit was worse IMO. Parrot and Doherty sounded as if they were definitely still in the age of pot black in B&W (sorry).

I am sure the whole TG thing is designed to push buttons to the limit. That is part of the appeal/disgust (you chose). It's a bit like UKIP, I am sure that most so-called supporters don't agree with a lot that is said, but gloss over that in favour of the anti-PC/anti-politician sentiment that caries both along.

That took a lot longer than I thought. So is nurrrrnum racist or not?

He don't say 'nurrrrrrnum' though did he. He said **** - but just mumbled it slightly. It's pretty clear when you watch the clip.

Even he's not denying it so I'm not sure why you are.

Dont hear anyone moaning they put all the eye candy directly behind them in any studio shots, so blatant sexism is fine... pot kettle? Best not say black...

Whataboutery at its finest.

He said **** - but just mumbled it slightly. It's pretty clear when you watch the clip.

Not to me it wasn't.

He said **** - but just mumbled it slightly. It's pretty clear when you watch the clip.

Did he not say it sounded it still may have sounded like the N word, hold on how come you can use it? RACIST!

But should do 4 weeks on a tandem with people from the nations and races he's insulted as penance

You're going to need a bigger bike...

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I'm conflicted. What if I listen to rap and comedians that use the N word? How am I supposed to feel?

Well you have to consider things such as context and intention, and then apply a big dollop of commonsense. All of which tends to be beyond the grasp of both racists and the PC herberts. And since you've had to ask presumably yours too 🙂

it's sunny out for those of you that ride bikes.

C'mon drac, by all means have a bit of fun, but the clips are pretty obvious.

Did he not say it sounded it still may have sounded like the N word, hold on how come you can use it? RACIST!

Oh maybe. And you're convinced by that? Really?

And can you really not see the difference between reciting a racist nursery rhyme because you think it's entertaining, and factually describing an incident? Really?

C'mon drac, by all means have a bit of fun, but the clips are pretty obvious.

Honestly I'm not hearing it. Ok let's say he did say it in an old Nursery Rhyme in an edit, there must be tonnes of footage not used for various reasons. Anyway say he did use it in Nursery Rhyme of old how come that's wrong but it's not for grum and other's to use it on this and other threads? Surely they're referring to the N word in offensive sense where he was repeat a childhood nursery rhyme for selecting who's it.

Ah he replied whilst I was typing.

A nursery rhyme of old that's no longer used and you using it casually, no I can't you're arguably using it in the same context.

Where did I say it was entertaining?