OK - this is just a question, as I am genuinely curious about people's opinions. I am not a parent (I "inherited" my stepchildren when they were 13 and 15 years old), so I am sure that I don't know very much about children and the rearing thereof, but:
I recently met the 18 month old daughter of an acquaintance of mine, and felt shocked, and really rather nauseated to see that her ears had been pierced.
Is it just me, or does this seem to be just not quite right?
Is he / she Spanish?
No, but the mother is a bit of a chav. Sorry, I KNOW that's very judgemental, but it's true!
It's ok if you're either a Chav or Spanish apparently
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/should-there-be-a-minimum-age-for-piercing
What about Spanish Chavs?
It's not right. Allowing for chav / Spanish exceptions.
How about circumcision?
Happy with that?
Or are you just identifying another thing with which to make yourself feel superior to those you see as beneath you?
Is it just me, or does this seem to be just not quite right?
not just you... I remember not being allowed to have my ears pierced until I was 13 (I think ... as it was some time ago .. ahem!) doing it to kids before they are grown up enough to understand and make choices like this for themselves isn't right IMHO, but they'll be plenty of people out there who would disagree.
Have to say I think children with piercings anywhere is just wrong.
Young children with pierced ears look terrible. Age 10(ish) upwards - fine.
in the grand scheme of things it's really not a big issue. Just accept that some folks live differently to you? It's a much more relaxed way of life. 🙂
Young children with pierced ears look terrible. Age 10(ish) upwards - fine.
No! 12. Only scum think it's ok under that age
OK, so what about circumcised Spanish chavs who are over twelve?
What you do with your servants is your own concern.
Piercings are bad enough, [url= http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bbd_1359238137 ]but what about tattoo's![/url]
😆 @ rusty
Think it looks odd personally and not something I did to my young kids
What you do with your servants is your own concern.
I brand mine. They work for someone else over my dead body!
I would never employ a child with pierced ears.
I would never allow a child with pierced ears to give me a tattoo.
My 8yr old wants her ears pierced. Half-Spanish, all the girls in her class have pierced ears, so I'll probably let her.
And now I've found out how much it seems to piss some people off, perhaps I'll get her a tattoo as well 😀
How about circumcision?
Happy with that?
Difficult to say without investigating said child rather more thoroughly than the parents would be entirely happy about.....
I feel that if the children are not old enough to give "invormed" consent ... say less than 12.. the person doing the piercing should be charged with ABH and sent to prison ..... no fence sitting here.
I would never allow a pierced, tattoed, chavvy, under-12 Spaniard to circumcise me.
So no one's given a sensible answer to the circumcision question then?
Snobbery it is. 🙂
I feel that if the children are not old enough to give "invormed" consent ... say less than 12.. the person doing the piercing should be charged with ABH and sent to prison ..... no fence sitting here.
LOL........ I think............... I hope..............
So no one's given a sensible answer to the circumcision question then?
Well, if you will take such a cavalier attitude to posting on here, old chap, what do you expect?
Very good. 🙂
Its not as bad as stapling a shopping list to their head.
Seems a bit pointless and I don't know anyone who has had their daughters ears done.
I'm not sure genital mutilation is in the same ball park.
Is it just me, or does this seem to be just not quite right?
Not read whole thread.
I think doing any (non necessary medical) 'modifications' to a child unable in law to give their consent (I reckon that's under 13 then, as per sex*), is not only a bit sick, but is also illegal, yet we choose to turn a blind eye to it.
Edit: Clarification. Although the age of consent in the UK is 16, the law says any child over 13 is legally capable of making the informed decision to give consent, under that age they can't. So anyone caught have sex with a child under 16 has committed the crime of under age sex. Anyone caught having sex with a child under 13 has committed rape, because under law, the child is not old enough to legally give consent. Sex with no consent = rape.
I'm not sure genital mutilation is in the same ball park.
Well, if eating meat is the same as infanticide, this seems a logical leap, surely?
I'm not sure genital mutilation is in the same ball park.
I think harming or mutilating your child because you don't think they are 100% perfect as is, definitely is in the same ball park.
I think harming or mutilating your child because you don't think they are 100% perfect as is, definitely is in the same ball park.
Well, given that ear piercing is neither harming nor mutilating, I guess it's OK?
Though apparently I'm a child-murdering rapist for thinking so 😕
joolsburger - Member
I'm not sure genital mutilation is in the same ball park.
Usually just above the ball park, no? 🙂
CaptainFlashheart - Member[i] I'm not sure genital mutilation is in the same ball park.[/i]
Well, if eating meat is the same as infanticide, this seems a logical leap, surely?
Would either of you care to explain how circumcision and ear piercing differ from a moral and ethical point of view?
CaptainFlashheart - Member
So no one's given a sensible answer to the circumcision question then?
Well, if you will take such a cavalier attitude to posting on here, old chap, what do you expect?
Cavalier? Roundhead, surely, when circumcision is the matter in hand.
Well, given that ear piercing is neither harming nor mutilating,
[b]harm[/b] noun physical, mental or moral injury or damage.
I'd say something with a hole in (that isn't suppose to have a hole in) is damaged.
Tip: get yourself a dictionary, I prefer Chambers.
I'd say something with a hole in (that isn't suppose to have a hole in) is damaged.
Bastid surgeons!
Tip: Open your mind.
This one ok?
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Snobbery it is.
If the lower classes want to make it easy for the rest of us to identify them at a distance, so we can discriminate against them, then I'm all for it. Nice that they know their place and are happy to wear it on their ear lobe. 😉
Bastid surgeons!
Ah, so necessary surgical intervention is the same to your as genital mutilation or hanging some decorations off your child?
Really?
Really?
😯
Open my mind? I'm sure that's what dear Jimmy might have said. The child is not old enough to legally chose, the procedure is not medically needed.
#prudetrackworld
You just said a hole where it shouldn't be.
Personally I find bigots more offensive than piercings. 😉
We never pierced how Daughters ears, we left that for her to decide
But some cultures seemed to pierce kids ears when very young.
My daughter had her ears pierced at age 7. However we went for a very small 18ct stud with just a .2ct diamond in each.
No chance of her being mistaken for a chav.
🙂
Never did my kids any harm
The eldest even got a pearl necklace for my 40th
does this seem to be just not quite right?
It's subjective, much worse things go on that aren't.
It's subjective..
Actually it really isn't.
Is the child old enough to give consent?
Is the procedure required for medical reasons?
Simples.
Don't think I've ever met a woman without pierced ears. Consent is not an issue, its a traditional symbol of femininity so get it done by a doctor when they are born.
"oh I wish I'd never had my ears pierced" said no woman ever.
http://zenhabits.net/a-simple-method-to-avoid-being-judgmental-yes-that-means-you/
Is the child old enough to give consent?Is the procedure required for medical reasons?
So you're against hair cuts, then? You seem to have forgotten a third question:
Does it do any harm?
Circumcision can cause harm, a small hole in an ear lobe doesn't. Big difference.
felt shocked, and really rather nauseated to see that her ears had been pierced.
I think you may be being a bit too sensitive.
we went for a very small 18ct stud with just a .2ct diamond in each.
No chance of her being mistaken for a chav.
Um.. err.
Do you actually know what a chav mindset is?
I think you've summed it up perfectly by that statement.
Actually it really isn't.
OK. Let me put it another way. Is it an example of "good enough" parenting? Or "not good enough" parenting? I think the answer to the original question is "good enough".
Personally I don't think its right, we took our daughter to a party one time and there was a young lad of about 2 years old with piercings, gold chain the lot. Our daughter was drawn to them like a magpie and it was only a matter of time before she grabbed hold of them and tried to pull them out as most 2 year olds seem to do. The enivitable happened, although another child grabbed hold of the ear ring and pulled it out. Thought it a bit unfair on the lad really. My wife hasn't got pierced ears, so it might rub of on our daughter, although I doubt it.
Would the pro piercers pierce their children's eye brows?
Putting holes in children for aesthetic purposes is barbaric.
You seem to have forgotten a third question:Does it do any harm?
Well if you take that view, having sex with minors might be OK.
Thankfully, I don't take that view.
OK. Let me put it another way. Is it an example of "good enough" parenting? Or "not good enough" parenting? I think the answer to the original question is "good enough".
Surely that depends on how high, or low, one's standards are?