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Of course, they are the most important bits on the car, A4 sized contact with the road, you need the best grip you can get.
BUT are £65 cheap specials going to be THAT different from £100 a corner Michelin / Dunlop / Continental equivalents?
Tales of horror, wo, or saving a few quid please.
Had wan-li tyres on the car for a while. 65 quid a corner, seriously noisy. Replaced witj 80 quid a corner UniRoyal Rain Experts. much better
I wouldnt worry.... I dont actually
Cheaper tires can be noisier as well as less grippy
My engine drowns that out.
Worst tires i ever had were expensive pirellis that was direct replacemen for wht was on the car
Best gripping were a set of hankooks - lasted less that 12k though
Vans running on some franks fast fit 45 quid specials van weight rated. Neer found the grip limit as i know im not colin mcrae...... They have done 35k without issue so far and look to have plenty life in em conti Van contacts that came on it did 45k.
Id be more worried about a tires age than its brand!
Running remoulds on the jeep. Mainly because i trash more tires with rock slashes than road damageand 47quid is much more managable than bfg 150 quid..... Bfgs came on the truck and didnt fair much better
Mohawks on tbe front of the Doblo are fine, as are the Landsails on the back.
Not had an issue with cheaper tyres for a few years - miles better than they used to be.
Aren't all new tyres marked with a rating for wear, grip and noise these days?
Price isn't a good judge of quality I think. My Kumhos were cheap but good. But the ditchfinders that came on my car were orrible, very little grip in the wet. Autogrips, and can't remember the other brand. I'm not going to say "dangerous" because you can always drive to the capability of the vehicle, but even then, emergency stops/evasions weren't going to happen. Me, I won't have that on my cars but lots of people are happy with it (previous owner obviously was, then, my car came to me covered in dents)
Yep i had to ditch the pirellis for tht reason northwind.
Was like driving on marbles. Iirc was p6000s
A lot of mid range tyres are alright. The likes of Uniroyal etc. make decent tyres.
Some of the proper budget tyres are horrendous. I remember having a dirt cheap tyre stuck on years ago when I was stuck after a puncture, and within a month I'd had it changed for the usual brand. If you're getting 4, then four horrendous tyres is a bit of a risk.
That said, these days the EU tyre labelling scheme makes buying cheap tyres much less of a risk - you can at least tell if they're going to stop you and go around corners.
A set of Maxxis is looking like the midrange tyre of choice at the moment!
http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-details/maxxis-pro-r1-225-45-r17-94-w#60161038
I've normally used Hankook but my fitter suggested Maxxis last time round and I don't notice any difference. Looks like they might last a bit longer as well
I have some Westlake thingys ony.vrs and I will buy them again.
From my experience of trying to make various hot hatches fly I would say that nearly all the "premium" tyres are a waste of money. Perellis, contis and mitchelins especially. They just wear very quickly but don't grip particually well/predictably. These days I'm on either Hankooks or Dunlops. They last longer, grip just as well and cost about 40% less
The only premium tyre I would recommend is Yokohamas. They stick like glue. But a souped up mini or an Evo will go through them in about 4000 miles.
If you're driving fast enough for grip to be an issue on a road, then my guess is you're driving too fast. Unless you're on the very cheap, £30 a corner tyres. Which are rubbish. Avoid.
I was wondering if you might be talking about P6000s, woeful tyres, I dumped a set with probably half their life left.
Of late I've used goodyear hydragrips and excellence. Currently using Continental premium contact 5, all very good in wet and dry.
We put tyres on our car that I had actually heard of.
The car was smoother and just felt all round so much nicer. Money well spent.
You have to be careful with some. I bought a car with a virtually brand new set of Wanlis on once. Thing was lethal in the wet. I'm not one for spending money when I don't have to, but they were scary. Replaced with mid-range Falkens which made a massive improvement.
+1 for Falkens. I've found them difficult to get hold of. I've only had one set to date, but I was very impressed with them on my old Golf. It almost went round corners with them on!
Kuhmo, fulda, falken. Lots of good mid range tires to be had without resorting to bargain basement stuff.
If they're still to pricey look at lassa - Turkish company - but investment / technology share with Bridgestone, reputed to be very good vfm.
Was the name on the side of the tire obecalp ?
Hankooks were OE on the mighty Mondeo I thought I'd be torque steering off into the nearest hedge but they were Actually Quite Good. Fronts were toast after 15k but the rears lasted 40k although they were tramlining a lot by then. Have replaced them with Kumho's finest again good tyres no real problems other than feeling quite squirrely when substantially worn but still legal.
Yeah, that's my only complaint about my hankooks, fronts are wearing fast. But then they're on a heavy car with about 100lb/ft of torque more than it knows what to do with, driven by a man with a breezeblock for a foot. So fair dos really!
[i]BUT are £65 cheap specials going to be THAT different from £100 a corner Michelin / Dunlop / Continental equivalents?[/i]
If £65 is the cheap one I don't think you'd get a Michelin for £100.
And yes, cheap tyres can be crap, and dangerous.
The last car I bought had a pair of no-names on the rear, they would breakaway in the dry and in the wet they were lethal. Previous owner obviously slung them on to sell the car. Replaced with Avons, £142 a corner as opposed to the old ones at £60 (I googled them)...
So we have come to the conclusion that cheap tires can be dangerous and expensive tires can be dangerous
And cheap tires can be good and expensive tires can be goood.
I think the real thing to note would be that a torquey heavy monster with 200bhp and colin mcrae type behind wheel is going to need good grip. My 69bhp bean can van driven sensibly - not so
I tend to use one up from bottom of the range. I do high millage, but all motorway at around 60mph and barely go above 2000 revs.
I have not found the "limit" of these tires, they have stopped me adequately well during a couple of emergency stops. Perfectly happy with them.
Your experience & driving style may vary.
My favourite are Nokian. Grip well, incredibly quiet, and they've done 40k miles on the Passat and aren't even half gone. And gained about 5mpg over the Dunlops too.
Always go for a branded tyre these days after I had an insurance claim refused due to them blaming poor quality tyres for the reason I didn't stop in time. 3 week old Road Champ tyres from ATS, eventually claimed off them for the damage.
I bought budget last time (cant even remember what they are) and they've already outlasted the expensive Avons I had before. Grip feels the same to me but tbh I doubt I'd notice the difference anyway.
Always ran with middle of the road tyres, not the cheapest and nothing branded. Never really had any problems and always got good life out of them.
I generally go with the suggestion from the local tyre dealer based on what they have in.
Yup. Been threre, done it and then had to get new fronts about after a month following scary understeer on a slightly wet roundabout.
Thought I was saving money but they were shit in anything other than bone dry conditions..
Fulda, Khumho are great. My old mx5 came with 4xnew budget tyres. It oversteered/under all it seemed at once. Crazy hard things.
Be tight on everything except engine oil and tyres.
We generally get our tyres from Camskill. Cheaper than everywhere else, next day delivery and they've always got what we're after. I've had Falken FK452, Toyo T1R, Yokohama Neova, Federal RS595R and Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta from them. All superb tyres, all well under the £100 mark (except the Federal). There are plenty of cheap cheap tyres there too.
Fitted at the local garage for £12 a corner and they're cheaper than the likes of black circles, etyres, etc.
Be tight on everything except engine oil and tyres
That one.
I've been almost universally scared by £35/40 tyres. Most recent family experience is my dad who (does very few miles, most of those local trips at low speed) bought a set of cheapskaters to get through MOT, which after a year have started to delaminate.
Tyres I've liked, all midpriced £70 a corner ish;
hankook ventus prime 2
dunlop bluresponse
goodyear efficientgrip
OTOH a car with really cheesy tyres can be a lot of fun to drive if you like going sideways at 20mph.
The P6000s I didn't hate as much as some people. I found them reasonably predictable on our old MX5, only ever broke grip in the wet and then seemed to be quite a gradual thing.
BTW, anyone got any experience of Maxxis?
P6000s on our MX-5 are grippier than the Yokohamas it had before. To be fair though I changed to slightly larger rims at the same time and the MX-5 is quickish not quick.
Be tight on everything except engine oil and tyres
But there is a point where you just start wasting your money on advertising and performance you don't need.
Left it too late to get "reputable" winter tyres a couple of years ago, ended up with some £65 Chinese "Goodride" tyres. They were great in the ice and snow that year, have been great in the damp and soggy winter last year. No noticeable difference in fuel.
Could maybe have paid more for something quieter but they have been great for the money.
Avon are my mid-range brand of choice - never had any issues with them.
The new EU tyre labelling takes some of the guesswork out of it. What they don't show is wear life though.
Cheaper grippy tyres tend wear out a bit faster, that's been my experience with the likes of Falken's and Kuhmos.
For the sake of an extra £10-20 I just put Goodyear Eagle F1's on.
Spending money is no guarantee of good performance though. When I bought the car it had Pirelli P-Zero Rossos which are around £130 a corner. They are easily the worst tyre I've ever had. I got rid of them with about with half their life left
When I bought the car it had Pirelli P-Zero Rossos which are around £130 a corner. They are easily the worst tyre I've ever had.
Something I've learned recently:
The tyres manufacturers put on their cars when you buy them ARE NOT THE SAME as the tyres of the same name you buy on the open market. They are always crap.
This is partly why there is so much confusion about what tyres are good. Someone says 'oh Pirelly whatnots are awful' and someone else will swear by them. It's because one person got them on their new car, and the manufacturers put crap versions on. That's why many people think energy saver tyres are bad, because manufacturers ship crap ones on cars.
I have absolutely no idea why they do this - it's barking.
The tyres manufacturers put on their cars when you buy them ARE NOT THE SAME as the tyres of the same name you buy on the open market. They are always crap.
I did wonder if there were lower OE spec tyres (a bit like the shiny plastic Kendas you get on some new bikes).
As you say its mad though, I'm now totally convinced Pirelli make rubbish tyres and I would never buy a set
And because the major manufacturers all supply the major car manufacturers, there are groups of people who now hate at least one of the major brands. So if you search for opinions and reviews, you will always find bad reviews regardless of who you search for.
Except the smaller players who don't supply car makers, like Nokian.
where as - the pirelli p6000s that were on the car when we bought it new from the showe room were grand.
the replacements were the crap ones
What ever you do don't get wan-li tyres, lethal in the wet. Hannook, Maxxis etc mid range tyres are good.
One thing to bear in mind is puncture resistance.
I do a LOT of wheel changes and I have noticed the real cheapos are not very robust.
The sidewalls hole or bulge very easily and I have seen a lot of delamination problems.
Saving £30 a tyre is not much of a saving if you have to replace it after brushing a kerb.
My rule of thumb is that if you don't recognise the name of the manufacturer then don't buy.
I don't understand the "I don't drive fast so I don't need my tyres to have any grip" mentality. If a child runs out you need all the grip you can get.
where as - the pirelli p6000s that were on the car when we bought it new from the showe room were grand.the replacements were the crap ones
did pirelli start outsourcing the p6000 or something?
or do they just have a gazillion different compounds for OEM/aftermarket/aftermarket-with-knobs-on type variants?
Think about how much do you pay for your MTB tyres? How often do you replace them, after how many miles?
Then think again about how much you want to spend on your 1500Kg car doing 70mph in the wet.
Watch videos or read the data about stopping distances on budget tyres vs quality tyres.
You won't buy a budget tyre ever again (unless your a i don't give a crap person)
Tyre test.
Then think again about how much you want to spend on your 1500Kg car doing 70mph in the wet
[url= http://www.universal-tyres.co.uk/news/performance-tyres-vs-budget-tyres-best/ ]link[/url]
25% increase in wet braking distance for the budgets - a metric shirt load worse.
sounds impartial
so what your saying is ALL budget tires are crap and ALL premium tires are great magical physics defying wonder stuffs ?
thought not.
FWIW go take a set of conti van contacts off the motorway as see how grippy they are - they were designed with traveling in straight lines on the motorway.
unless its a solid plastic tire off a little tykes car i fail to see how anything can be worse....
Had a set of MAxxis MA-P1's that lasted over 30k on my diesel Civic, the Sava Intensas before them lasted less than 10!
The Maxxis were reasonable on the noise (far better than my Hankook iCept Evo's!) worked well in snow and slush and had decent grip in summer. I'm ready to fling another set on provided the car passes it's MOT at the end of the month.
Had Conti's on one car as supplied new from dealer, ate through them in only 15K miles - replaced with Kumho, lasted 30K, gripped better and were quieter.
Had loads of P6000's and no complaints, at one point had the same type on an A4 and a BMW 3 - A4 was shytewinder and BM was bob on.
so what your saying is ALL budget tires are crap and ALL premium tires are great magical physics defying wonder stuffs ?
No. I'm saying spend as much time researching the tyres you put on your car as you do on your bike.
Some very high performace (and expensive) car tyres are shite in the cold/wet but then they are designed as dry weather tyres. When BMW sold the M3 CSL a few years ago customers had to sign a disclaimer to say they wouldn't use the car in the wet (with the standard fitment tyres fitted) as it was fitted with dry weather, road legal track day tyres.
i was refering to mr monk fingers link more than anything.
Vested interest in selling expensive tires vealed in ambiguous anecdotes.
WTF? Vested interest?
Ok, last post from me I think.
There is this tyre labelling scheme, which tells you pretty much what you need to know. It's been around a couple of years now.
For 205/55/R16 (fairly common size), the cheapest ditchfinders on blackcircles.com are £50 and has a wet rating of "E".
Same site, Uniroyal rainsports, £76 have a wet rating of "A".
So, can we put this one to bed yet?
Wet braking performance is also categorised in seven classes. An A-rated tyre provides the shortest braking distances on wet roads whereas a G-rated tyre will have the longest braking distance in the wet. [b]Driving on four A-rate tyres at 50mph can help you stop up to 18m* shorter, which is approximately 4 car lengths, than if you were driving on four G-rated tyres[/b] (Source: European Commission impact assessment SEC (2008) 2860). * When measured according to the test methods set out in Regulation EC 1222/2009 - See more at: http://www.tyresafe.org/tyre-safety/tyre-labelling-information/wet-breaking#sthash.CqcOFnWI.dpuf
Yes, I know, E and G are different. I can't be arsed to find out how much different, I'm losing the will to live.
Accellera ditch finders on the alfa 159 but yokohamas on the megane insane grip from the Yokos and only £71 from black circles and quadruple club card points
The major tyre companies spend spend millions on research every year, this is why their tyres are more expensive.
The real budget end of the market are simply copies of old designs, made with cheaper materials.
I personally choose premium tyres for my car - my whole family use it and I'm not risking them for the sake of saving a few quid on the tyres.
If this sounds a bit melodramatic then remember I see the aftermath of failed tyres every day as part of my job.