[Closed] Changes to metabolism - what next?

Oi guys! Less of the comments about curly haired mothers. 🙄

Auntie C_G - you saying you ain't a little bit crazy? x

(how are you btw?)

Ooooh, just a wee bit. 🙂 I'm enjoying my pootling, how about you? Normal service resumed?

Still surprised that you think 1 pint of water or half a litre of water six times a day is too much. Will try to up my bean intake and see if that makes any difference.
And you are right emsz

Right! (big strop occurence is occuring...)

I do put weight on but I try not to sit and eat chocolates or cake or any other crap and I do 6-12 hours excercise a week and only eat when I'm hungry, and don't drink sweet soft drinks, and make a bloody effort instead of sitting there moaning about it and getting fatter year by year by doing the same stupid shitty diets or going to gyms and expecting to get thin by sweating because you are doing something in a big warm room and when I go out on my bike I have no bloody choice when I get tired; I have to carry on, instead of stopping and going to sit in the bloody hot tub for half an hour. I've had 20 odd years ofthis crap, of people moaning about the weather when all they do is walk from their car to the door of work and then from their car to the door of their house, buying sodding goretex jackets to walk around the supermarket in, just stop eating so bloody much and do some ****ing exercise you big fat bloody lumps of simpleness.

Ahem.

I try to eat my lunch at work alone these days; it aids my digestion.

Crikey - this female work environment seems to be really affecting you 😉

Yep... I'm in overdrive C_G... 2 to 3 sessions a day, smallest waist size since I started buying trousers that were sized by age, and I'm eating a full sized cake every week whilst still losing weight 🙂
Why is it though that it's only other blokes that comment on my physique?

crikey - you buying take-a-break yet?

Have a donut crikey, sounds like you need one 😆

i need to add in another hour of exercise a day....

*plans some kinda on-the-way-home type exercise in my mind that i'll never bother to do*

i understand where you're coming from crikey, get moaned at by fatter people (normally wimminz and sizeable older men) saying i wouldn't understand cos i'm thin. whereas i'm not thin, just thinner than them, cos i've struggled with a yo-yoing body weight since i was a kid. i have an unhealthy relationship with food, first to admit it... but at least i put effort into keeping it under relative control.

I agree with everything you said crikey I just think we have different methods

2 to 3 sessions a day

Sessions of what? Possible danger of overtraining?

overtraining isnt in yeti's dictionary.

i'm on the fence as to whether the exercise is a healthier replacement than the crack habit he swapped it for in the first place.

its ok though in the end as he's easily tempted back into his whorish crack taking ways 8)

AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHGHGHHGHGHGHGHJG!"!"!!!!!!!11111!!!1

I just sit and quietly fume. Over a 4 night stretch I will eat 2 sandwiches and a yoghurt each night. The other folk will get through a full 12 inch pizza each, plus Coke/Dandelion and Burdock 3 litres between 6 of them. Then the next night will be a take-away curry, plus rice, poppadums, more Coke. When they bring their own food in it's a huge plate of food; enough to feed three people, then they'll have crumpets before going home.

At Christmas they will slowly trough through a full tin of Roses or Quality Street and a packet or two of biscuits over a 12 hour shift.

I have watched people come to work here and seen them put 2-3-4 stone on in as many years, all the while being on the latest simpletons diet, and yet none of them seem to make the connection between the amount they eat and their weight.

4 people this year have had to get bigger uniforms; WE WEAR SCRUBS< WHICH ARE NOT EXACTLY FORM FITTING!!!!!£"121221z

breathe crikey, remember you have to breathe!

although having said that, you're warming up nicely and your next post should rate a 9/10 on the rant-o-meter, I reckon.

Seems like someone is jealous of the donut munchers...

...just let yourself go, Crikey 😀

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Crikey - just play this in your head...

Phil - I still smoke **** for rock, tis true.

[i]I agree with everything you said crikey I just think we have different methods[/i]

I think you are right, and I'm sure I've overstated the curliness of your mums hair. My concern is always that for a way of eating to be sustainable, it has to be part of your mental furniture, and by concentrating on food and on weight, it becomes too visible, too much of a central thing and therefore occupies too much of your attention.

When I want to lose weight I simply eat less of the same stuff, but continue to ride and walk as much as before.

it has to be part of your mental [s]furniture[/s]sofa

My last word before I go and not-eat, a number of years ago I tried to get really thin; associated with racing. I did it, but it scared the bloody life out of me; I know how the feeling of control can be addictive, and it gave me a small insight into the way anorexia must affect people.

It actually changed my view overnight with regard to anorexics; scary place to be in...

So eat less do more and don't obsess..

So eat less do more and don't [s]obsess[/s] obese..

Crikey, scrubs? Medical staff?

You would hope they would know better!!

crikey - get someone to check your blood pressure! Have you talked to your colleagues about your racing snake days? Perhaps it would give them something to contemplate ie their relationship with food?

TSY - definitely normal service then! Do you have a challenge planned for this year?

molgrips - have you had problems with cramps after exercising?

No, I never get cramp except at the end of an extremely long hard and hungry ride.

'Simply eat less' does not work well enough for me. Because when you exercise a lot I MUST eat more to compensate, otherwise I lose the ability to exercise. So then I moderate WHAT I eat according to what effect different foods have on my body. That's the iDiet.

but this conversation is uncannily like the kind of things I listen to on a daily basis, as ladies who are almost obsessive about their weight sit and talk incessantly about this diet and that gym and some other toning regime while eating too much

I don't agree. This conversation is about people who want to understand exactly what's going on in their bodies. We are not just jumping on the latest fad expecting wonders. If you are a pizza eating couch potato then yes you just need to cut the junk food and move around - you'll get thinner. If on the other hand you've been very active for your whole adult life, you routinely do lots of long hard rides, you eat in moderation and you still find yourself 10kg over what you want - then it's time to investigate. That's what this is.

It's absolutely NOT as simple as eat less move more. As we've discussed at length on here.

When I want to lose weight I simply eat less of the same stuff, but continue to ride and walk as much as before

So what happens when you get so hungry you can't think at work, and you find your ability to ride hard disappears? Does this not happen to you? Cos it happened to me.

I read that its eating your crusts that gives you curly hair, and its nothing to do with your mom ( although YOUR mom obviously eats her crusts)
🙂

C_G - triathlons 🙂 Possibly some road racing. Nothing too epic really. Would like to do 200 miles in a day.

I weigh myself pre and post the loo most days

Crikey would you like a hug?

Do some people think that paying a gym membership helps them get fit without actually breaking a sweat?

P.S. I drink a lot of water too, occasionally to the point that I start to think I'm diabetic except I don't have any other symptoms, but I seem to struggle to keep it and get dehydrated really easily too. Just can't seem to find the balance point...

mustard, calcium and thyroid levels can influence how thirsty you are, might be worth asking the GP for a check next time you're there?

I lost 6oz by having a wee this morning Mustard.

[i]mustard, calcium and thyroid levels[/i]

How can I tell if I've got a mustard deficiency? OR conversely, a bit of a mustard surplus?

There's a ham fisted approach wwaswas...

How can I tell if I've got a mustard deficiency?

Get your seed tested.

[i]Get your seed tested. [/i]

it's all grainy 😉

it's all grainy

All I can deduce from that, is that you might be French.

calcium and thyroid levels can influence how thirsty you are, might be worth asking the GP for a check next time you're there?

Also it's not so much thirst as dehydration ie pee that looks like i've just had a berocca (which coincidentally I've been taking since my I got a right kicking by a cold just before christmas).

TSY do you keep your scales by the urinal so you can see your weight drop?

TSY do you keep your scales by the urinal so you can see your weight drop?

I was assuming he was standing on them as he urinated.

Now there's an idea...

I drink a lot of water too; usually a pint of water with breakfast, around 5 750ml bottles during my 9-5, and a few more pints of water during the evening.

Cramp isn't necessarly caused by being unfit - yes it can be muscle fatigue but also electrolyte imbalance. Try drinking nuun next time you are exercising. I also struggle to exercise without fast carbs in a similar way to Mol - having recently lost 5kgs and a good % of body fat, this is more noticeable than before.

If you've stopped exercising and are putting on weight, is it not a case of eating too much and not burning it off? I've found watching the saturated fat content of what i eat has helped the most, along with ditching 95% of my 'treats'.

Im about 74kg and I probably drink a similar amount of water as OddJob.

Im pretty much continuously drinking it.

I suppose if I did weight my self in the morning after going to the toilet and then in the evening their might be quite a large differential.

As people mention one litre of water = 1kg.

But I've never done it.

Very good website for thyroid matters:

http://www.thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/index.html

tsy - just wee in a pot and weight the pot.

I have often wondered what volume I can store...

Not sure I'd like to weigh my 2's on the kitchen digi's though, even less sure the mrs would like it.

[i]So what happens when you get so hungry you can't think at work, and you find your ability to ride hard disappears? Does this not happen to you? Cos it happened to me.[/i]

Er.... everything I would like to say about food and exercise (which I'm aware I have spelled differently about 3 times..) would be much better articulated in a conversation, rather than by text.

I find our relationship with food to be a fascinating subject, historically, generationally, socially, biologically, in evolutionary terms and from a medical/health point of view.

To answer the above, yes it does happen on occasion, but IN MY OPINION AND EXPERIENCE, this is a relatively temporary effect, and easy to deal with; just have a Mars bar, or a pie, or your dinner. My misgivings about the iDave thing is as above; I think, for me, it's too close to being too important. I just eat less, and even skip meals when I'm not hungry. In terms of 'training' or just riding which is more accurate these days, I know I can ride for 3 hours without much to eat or drink, and I know that I will feel wasted for about 4 hours afterwards if I choose not to eat straightaway, but it's only temporary, and not worth changing my feeding for.

When I started racing, and was training hard, I didn't use any gels or sports drinks; water and the odd kit kat when I was dying was about it.
In later years I used sports food and drink a lot on my bike, and recovery stuff afterwards, but put weight on as a consequence.

My view is that we can regulate our weight by food intake and exercise because we are animals, but the social, historical blah blah of food in our society messes that up.

Eat less move more works for me, and I appreciate that you don't find it so.

but IN MY OPINION AND EXPERIENCE, this is a relatively temporary effect

Not in mine 🙂 We are all actually quite different, it's a learning experience - hence this thread.

I know that I will feel wasted for about 4 hours afterwards if I choose not to eat straightaway, but it's only temporary

Lasts for a few days for me. That means the run on the following day will be crap, the intervals the day after will be a waste of time, and so on.

but the social, historical blah blah of food in our society messes that up

This is true.

Are you aware of the study where they fed people 1500 calories a day of 90% fat, protein or carbs?

I'm not familiar with it, link?

I think what has been underestimated is the length of time that eating habits take to become ingrained; it's very much a familial thing, and that in turn is dictated by society. I think my kids have hopefully escaped the post-war rebound thing that I experienced; when my parents and grandparents seemed to go mad with food.

I suspect too, although have no proof at all, that sports nutrition is a bit like bike weights; there is a small but measureable improvement, but mostly it's not that critical for most people. Most of us are so far away from reaching our potential for much more simple reasons to do with time and motivation and opportunity, rather than eating a certain thing.

In Denmark, if your eating with a fiamily and you eat more than half of what is out on the table the there wasn't enough food. I think there is less obesity here than on the uk, but it is amazing how few people are not at least slightly overweight these days wherever you look other than those on tv and competing in sports.

I have stopped using energy drinks and don't take too much food on long rides, but I take some money to buy a bounty bar (current favourite) but knowing that this less likely to happen than eating the 3 energy bars in my pocket. In all honesty, I haven't ridden outside since November so it's not a big issue.