[Closed] Casual racists

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinky ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinky[/url]
HTH.

i suppose you dont like people from ****stan being called ****es either?

describing an Asian person as an Asian is useless Asia is massive.

Chinese dont mind being called chinks. most i have met refer to them selfs as chinks.

imho all this bullshit is pc gone mad.

next we will have to refer to polish people as European.

Already had 'PC gone mad' third post in. What other classics will we see I wonder.

"I'm not racist but...."

brew anyone?

So - what [i]do[/i] you call people who live in Nigg?

Not a term I'd use.
Not a term which would worry me about other people using.
I'd imagine it would be quite hard to tell someone not to use it without sounding pretty patronising.

So - what do you call people who live in Nigg?

scots

druidh - Member
So - what do you call people who live in Nigg?

Racists? 🙂

next we will have to refer to polish people as European.

No don't worry, it's ok to call them Poles.

I'd not worry about someone referring to a meal as a chinky though I wouldn't feel quite the same about them referring to a person as chinky and I'd find it hard to think well of the person who did

So - what do you call people who live in Nigg?

Phil, Jeff, Betty, Ken and Margaret.

or collectively-Teuchters.

I'd not worry about it either, but it'd be a good pointer as to whether he or she is the type of person with whom I'd associate.

I think the word's seperated from any racist intent tbh. I don't use it myself but it doesn't bother me. Doesn't seem to bother chinese mates (actually, now I think of it, the only time I've ever seen anyone use it as a proper racist term, everyone laughed at it- just sounded silly)

A mate of mine said he was going to nip into the "**** shop", which I thought was a bit off, then I remembered the shop he was going to is owned and run by northern irish immigrants. But to him, a corner shop is just a **** shop- and again, no ill intent. Think he'd be horrified if anyone took offence at it, though I don't think he'd neccesarily get why either.

PS, Niggrons.

next time someone calles me a brit im doing them for racial discrimination.

Think he'd be horrified if anyone took offence at it, though I don't think he'd neccesarily get why either.

Then someone more enlightened should explain it to him.

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I think a lot of it depends on intent. Some words have racist overtones, connotations etc. and are best avoided. However, things change, words change as do meanings. The language you use can show a certain amount of ignorance or naivety but does not make you racist. To be racist you actually have to be racist.

I got called a pom once by an Australian gentleman. The cheek of it.!

Bloody convicts.

Back to the op, nowt wrong with calling a Chinese takeaway a chinky, calling a Chinese man a chinky is a different matter.

The language you use can show a certain amount of ignorance or naivety but does not make you racist.[b] To be racist you actually have to be racist.[/b]

I was trying to think of how to put it.

But that will do just fine 🙂

(The thread title is, more than likely, inaccurate too)

racist= not liking someone simply because of race!

using words like ****,chink and pole are just shortning them from the longer version.

thought you guys wear a bit clever with you it jobs and flash cars but look at it like this.....

****
****stan you see whats happened there?

pole
polish and again

chink
Chinese its just a shorter version of the full words....

we shorten all types of words not just words that describe peoples races.
i really dont see whats rong with this?

i really dont see whats rong with this?

I like the way you shortened that word as a way of demonstrating your point 😉

I used to go to college with a Chinese kid who worked in his parents Chinese takeaway. He hated it being called a chinky. I don't think most people see it as offensive. **** shop is inexcusable though.

rong

lol

Jeez.

This is really simple folks. Educate yourselves as to what people from different race's and cultures find offensive, and don't use it.

If you catch someone using in the contect the OP describes (casuallky not realiseing they are offending someone), politely ask them to refrain.

Simples.

using words like ****,chink and pole are just shortning them from the longer version.

except where a word like **** is used to describe anyone with brown skin be they from india, turkey, iran etc

except where chink is used to describe anyone who looks like they come from china even though they may be from tibet or malaysia or laos etc

i don't think you have to be 'clever' to work out why this might be wrong

I used to go to college with a Chinese kid who worked in his parents Chinese takeaway. He hated it being called a chinky. I don't think most people see it as offensive. **** shop is inexcusable though.

kryton57. i did (i am even) i do and i did (ask them to refrain) and i got much the same as i did from mr watson above.

personally i consider the term as offensive as the n word, and most younger generation people do too. look at the link someone put up.

when you are aware that using words upsets people, do you carry on regardless and tell them they are just being oversensitive, or do you try and understand the reason why they find offence ?

watsontony-- you are a ric

This is really simple folks. Educate yourselves as to what people from different race's and cultures find offensive, and don't use it.

Hmm. What if say you find women with exposed skin offensive due to the immodestly of it. Would you have spoken up?

Do I put it down to stupidity, or what.

Yes,

Watsontony is a classic example.

Chinese dont mind being called chinks. most i have met refer to them selfs as chinks.

As the proud owner of a Chinese wife I can categorically deny that Chinese people refer to themselves as chinks, if you know of any that do I would suggest that they're in the minority.

If someone called my wife a chink I suspect I'd have to restrain her to stop her punching them.

@watsontony, please try to keep a safe distance from anyone who is not caucasian. I say this for your own safety.

What other classics will we see I wonder

I'm not racist, some of my best friends are ___________*

*fill with totally inappropriate racist term

franksinatra - from essex?

If someone called my wife a chink I suspect I'd have to restrain her to stop her punching them.

In fact...I might punch them.

[i]Disclaimer: I am not threatening anyone on the forum, merely pointing out that in the hypothetical situation where someone referred to my wife as a 'chink', I'd be tempted to punch them.[/i]

watsontony - Member

Chinese dont mind being called chinks. most i have met refer to them selfs as chinks.

I mind. But you carry on calling them chinkys. See how long it is before someone fills you in

Educate yourselves as to what people from different race's and cultures find offensive, and don't use it.

I find burqas offensive, what is your point caller?

Your surname, wheres it from Poland?

**** off.

Asian? Indians have many differences in country nevermind ****stan v Indian.

Thai to Chinese to Phillipinos all look different as a rule.

Casual racism to both Jews and Muslims alike..

Waste of good webspace.
What tyres do I need?

enfht - Member

I find burqas offensive

So do I, but it doesn't make it ok for me to call people ****s or Chinks.

Are you offended on behalf of Chinese people, or are you offended because that person doesn't share your values, or are you offended because you have been personally affected by this name calling?

If it's the first, I would say that is very patronising for Chinese people.
If the 2nd, grow a pair and accept people are different.
If the 3rd, grow a pair and accept that free speech is exactly that.

However you may or may not want to associate with that person.

To echo what McHamish has said, I have a chinese lad that works for me & he hates it if anyone refers to him as a chink.

I also work with a chap who's parents originate from ****stan. If you called him a "****" he would punch your lights out.

Both terms are racist because of the history of their use. Comparing them to "Brit" demonstrates some next-level stupidity.

I find burqas offensive

I don't find items of clothing offensive...other than crocs.

Are you sure it's not the perceived oppression of women that you find offensive?

But then conversely, I suspect that many Muslim women would find it offensive that people assume they are forced to wear it.

However, I'm not entirely sure how burqas are relevant to this thread.

Are you offended on behalf of Chinese people, or are you offended because that person doesn't share your values, or are you offended because you have been personally affected by this name calling?

[quote=hora ]Your surname, wheres it from Poland?
**** off.
Err- what's wrong with that?

I split with my Indian..Chinese..black girlfriend due to cultural differences.

Ive seen this before.

What cultural difference? You were a curious sexual adventurer but wouldnt want their kids.

That applies to white, black and Asian men alike.

except where a word like **** is used to describe anyone with brown skin be they from india, turkey, iran etc

except where chink is used to describe anyone who looks like they come from china even though they may be from tibet or malaysia or laos etc

There's a difference between misidentifying someone's race and being racist, non?

Eg, you're no longer talking about calling someone a 'chink', you're talking about calling a Japanese lady / gentleman Chinese. Potentially still offensive, but in a different, straw-man-y sort of way.

I find burqas offensive, what is your point caller?

I'm guessing, but I reckon his point was that you don't go calling people from other races, cultures, countries, etc [b][i]names[/i][/b] that they find offensive. But then again, I wasn't trying to deliberately misunderstand his post in order to drop one of my bollocks-bombs like you do every so often.

Are you offended on behalf of Chinese people

It is entirely possible to point out when someone is being offensive, without being offended oneself. This offended-by-proxy (i.e. "on behalf of...") gets trotted out time and time again on STW to denigrate peoples' arguments and is not always the case.

next we will have to refer to polish people as European.

What? No, you idiot. They ARE polish. Poles or Polski would be the non pc version, just like chinky. And as far as I know, they do not like being called chinkys. Nor do ****stani's like being called ****s.

You blase approach to this is probably borderline racist tbh.

Burkas are a different issue.

large418 - Member
Are you offended on behalf of Chinese people, or are you offended because that person doesn't share your values, or are you offended because you have been personally affected by this name calling?

If it's the first, I would say that is very patronising for Chinese people.
If the 2nd, grow a pair and accept people are different.
If the 3rd, grow a pair and accept that free speech is exactly that.

However you may or may not want to associate with that person.

if i were black, and the word began with n, would i have to accept that free speech is exactly that? no.

is the issue here with some responses that you have never thought this word offensive and therefore i or whoever must be overreacting? i am sure there are plenty of terms which were at use everyday which are now instant dismissal material.

As a half-chink myself, I would ask Watsontony not to refer to me or my mothers side of the family in that way.

If he did it again I would chop his motherfunking fingers off.

Well at least one good thing has come out of this thread, I have a new list of people I have no interest in meeting.

[i]Italics[/i] AND [b]bold[/b] eh DD 😆

I'm trying to imgagine the aftermath of a bollock bomb and it aint pretty tbh. Try and block anymore negative thoughts of testicles exploding, that's my advice to you. Do you think about testicles a lot?

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I never use the term 'get a Chinky'.

If you need to ask why its racist/offensive then you need introspection'.

My son is half Chinese.

The only time I heard that had been mentioned mrshora had spat in the face of a bloke in a Kebab shop who called her a Chinky. His mates were half shocked and apologetic. Its acceptable to people who have never experienced racism.

No defence then enfht.

In fairness, you don't normally stick around to defend yourself though, so that was a first. Well done.

Chinky describing a restaurant is a bit dodgy and i wouldnt use it myself but it is different in intent than using it to refer to a Chinese person.

However language changes over time and the usage of Chinky for a restaurant / meal is getting more and more unacceptable these days similar to how '****s' to refer to a corner shop has changed over the last couple of decades.

Bit like how negro or coloured are now unacceptable whereas in the past there were considered acceptable / polite and black was considered the offensive term, whereas black is now OK.

[quote=hora ]Your surname, wheres it from Poland?
**** off.
I'm still confused about this though. What's the problem?

Generally speaking, if it has ever been widely used for the purposes of abuse, it is probably best avoided.

I have a mate who always referred to any corner shop as the '**** shop', but he has grown up a bit now and doesn't anymore. He wasn't being deliberately offensive, but that is not always the point - offence doesn't necessarily have to be intended to be given.

On the flip side, the 'offendee' doesn't necessarily have to jump off at the deep end either - and most reasonable people don't if there was no offence meant.

Just part of 'getting along' really.

The assumption that any eastern European sounding name is Polish. A continent of countries vaster than the US.

So where's your name from then hora?

I heard you had a beautiful shiny pole somewhere.

You'd say 'going for an English' (best comedy sketch ever)

You wouldnt say 'going for a Honky'.

Its a beautiful hand-polished tool 😮

Anyway, back to the OP - because that wasn't aimed at calling people of different races names etc, it was asking whether a Chinese Takeaway could or should be referred to as a Chinky?

Does it matter what the Takeaway is called as long as it is not referring to the people who may run it? Or do people consider that calling the takeaway a Chinky has an inference on the people?

[quote=hora ]The assumption that any eastern European sounding name is Polish. A continent of countries vaster than the US.
Aye - but's just someone taking a guess. I can't see what's offensive about assuming it's Polish.

Unless you find being mistaken for a Pole offensive?

My mother once rang the local Chinese takeaway and asked "Can I have Chinky please"

The guy, Robert, responded with "Yes, you can have me."

I guess he wasn't offended.

Well if members of the of the Chinese community are prepared to chop peoples fingers off or fill them in for use of the word "chinky" I reckon they have more to learn than those using the word.

Call me a "surrender monkey", "frog" or far worse "brummy" if you wish, your face and fingers are safe.

Alonso? British isn't it?

Northwind - Member
A mate of mine said he was going to nip into the "**** shop", which I thought was a bit off, then I remembered the shop he was going to is owned and run by [b]northern irish[/b] immigrants.

Sounds more like a packie shop.

TAXI!

 

i suppose you dont like people from ****stan being called ****es either?

wouldn't ****stanis be better?

The problem with the word '****' is it has very racist undertones going back many years. It's mainly used to negatively describe a person of a certain skin colour, irrespective of their country of origin. The same could be said of the word Chinky.

Just because some people of that race use those words to describe themselves doesn't mean it's OK for you to as well. If you don't believe me, go to a corner in downtown Baltimore and call a black man a ****. See what happens...

By the way, it pays to be circumspect when you're from a nation (like Britain) that has generally screwed over more people than it has been screwed over by. Even if you weren't even born when the issues occured, it shows some tact, education and self-awareness if you appreciate what others' feelings might be.

I imagine Germans feel they ought to be similarly careful when they are with Poles, or Belgians with Congolese etc.

Is "pole" offensive now?
I'm behind the times! I honestly thought it was an acceptable term, not that I use it anyway.

So in amongst all the s**t, I notice this -

McHamish - Member

As the proud [b]owner[/b] of a Chinese wife

Does it matter what the Takeaway is called as long as it is not referring to the people who may run it? Or do people consider that calling the takeaway a Chinky has an inference on the people?

Dunno, but it makes you sounds like a right **** though.

As my bestmate and ex once said 'you dont get it. You have white skin. You are accepted. Try being a different colour and youd experience it subtly every single day'.

I say 'we'. We dont get it because we are white and dont experience any eracism. 'They' do.

Makes you disgusted, the realisation.

Just for a little real world input... I'm a quarter Chinese, and if you call me a chinky, don't be surprised if I am offended to the point of violence. Of course it's flippin' offensive - can't believe it's up for discussion. Last time I had to deal with this shite was in the playground.

When Australia beat ****stan at cricket the Sydney Morning Herald sports headline was "we beat the ****s". Apparently out there its just an abbreviation. I wouldn't say it myself.
My friend when going to the corner shop refers to it as popping down the 'stanis. Another abbreviation but currently not offensive.
I do have a chinky takeaway. Its not intended as offensive that's just what Chinese take away has always been referred to. If I was describing a Chinese looking person I refer to them as oriental.Is that safe?

I'm a white, average build, British male and you can call me anything, it's not considered racist.

The world has gone a bit mad.

Now can we go back to bikes please? Far more interesting ...

You dont OWN a Chinese wife. Her Mum OWNS your ass 😆