[Closed] Can you really afford Sky, cigarettes, bingo, drinks and other non-essentials?

No i cant so no i dont

wysiwyg - Member
No i cant so no i dont

I saw this on telly the other night and couldn't see what was wrong with it to be honest. It strikes me as a genuine question that a lot of people are asking at the moment.

Well yes I can afford them at the moment. But I'm looking at returning to studenthood for a year.

Sky TV will go, I don't drink much, don't smoke or gamble. My main other spend is on bike stuff which will reduce dramatically.

I don't really see what's wrong with this either.

Having been immobile for the last 6 weeks, Ive spent quite a bit of time looking at what we spend money on around the house. Have changed utility supplier, knocked on the head some tosh channels from Virgin media and got a new deal on a phone which has saved me a few quid.
Because I've not been able to walk or go out anywhere I realised how much a nght out costs when I checked my bank balance, not been drinking in the house (ok, bottle of wine over friday sat night). No smokers here anyway.
I wouldnt say a broken ankle is good for you, but I've saved a few quid and had a bit of a spring clean on the finances.
Just as well cos no doubt Mr Osborne will be gunning for me in an hours time.

Could be taken as slightly patronising, but the head of the housing association in question was on radio 4 this morning and said it was included with another 5 pages of advice on how to manage £.

If things are that tight, maybe some people need it pointing out they may have to do without certain non-essentials or risk losing their home. BUT I’m sure there are many more families who are facing this scenario and can’t cut back anymore – it is these people I feel sorry for.

IMHO it’s fairly normal for a Tory government to target the most vulnerable in society and unfortunately this advice will be used to further cultivate the image of ‘benefit scroungers’.

All depends on what your definition of essential is really.
I've cut all my spending to the bone, or put our utilities on the cheapest package I can find.
But, im not depending on any state benefits either.

No sky (or virgin)
No smoking
No drinking
No gambling

and still not much to show for it. I really must be doing something very wrong.

When we moved to Oz we cut all the monthly stuff out and started again.

For 5 months we had rent, elec, water, pre pay phones, internet.

As we have settled in and I'm working we have added a few more but nothing mad. Home brew was the main solution though.

I got rid of sky and have now got rid of tv too, I prefer reading and listening to music, I also like to gamble drink and smoke, and drugs

Ringo - Member
I got rid of sky and have now got rid of tv too, I prefer reading and listening to music

You weren't getting the value for money that the unemployed do though, sitting at home all day watching TV 😉

Do enough shoplifting and you can afford all kinds of 'non-essentials' 😛

I'd quite like to see a leaflet campaign directed at many of the residents where I live:

[i]Do you really need a massive 4x4 vehicle, which is dangerous and creates unnecessary pollution? Could you not instead get a smaller, less polluting car, or travel by public transport/bicycle/walk instead? And start considering others rather than just yourselves; that way we might all have a slightly nicer society.[/i]

Actually I might do it myself. 😀

Do enough shoplifting and you can afford all kinds of 'non-essentials'

Or avoid paying enough tax... 😉

Don't drink regularly.
Don't smoke.
Don't gamble often (maybe a £30 a year in poker games with mates)
Have Sky.
Can afford it :-).

Do you really need a massive 4x4 vehicle, which is dangerous and creates unnecessary pollution? Could you not instead get a smaller, less polluting car, or travel by public transport/bicycle/walk instead? And start considering others rather than just yourselves; that way we might all have a slightly nicer society.

Actually I might do it myself.

Trolling in the real world as well as teh internetz? Like your style.

Trolling in the real world as well as teh internetz? Like your style.

Not 'trolling' at all. But if certain sections of society are being targeted for their 'behaviour', then surely it's fine to apply similar techniques to others?

Muswell Hill is not so rugged that you 'need' a BMW X5 or whatever godawful monstrosity. And there's limited room on our congested roads, so surely it's socially responsible to drive a smaller car, or not drive at all?

And it's 'helpful' too; little Tarquin and Tabitha's lungs will benefit from less pollution.

It could be worse.

I was sat outside a shop in the car with my elderly aunt once, in Turangi in New Zealand. A Maori woman came out of the shop, holding lottery tickets, and she pipes up "she shouldn't be spending all her social welfare on lotto". I didn't know where to start with those judgements, gently explained that kind of chat might be OK in the South Island but not in these parts.

But yes, I think the lady has a fair point re budgeting, if badly expressed. And taxing big Chelsea Tractors just makes them less accessible to the proles, therefore more of a status symbol. I say we torch them !

P.S is thx-1138 Padded Bra/Fred ??

I say we torch them !

No; fit them with proper off-road tyres and send them to places where people can't afford such luxuries, so they can be used by people like doctors etc so they can get to people in hard to reach areas. Somewhere where they'll be of actual practical use, not just as ego extensions for selfish ****s.

P.S is thx-1138 Padded Bra/Fred ??

😕

What does that mean? Someone called me 'Fred' on here the other day too.

does this apply to pensioners?

they are by far the largest drain on the welfare bill- not to mention the NHS, see loads of oldies queuing up at the fag counter in morrisons

does this apply to pensioners?

they are by far the largest drain on the welfare bill- not to mention the NHS, see loads of oldies queuing up at the fag counter in morrisons

They're not old , just look it.

I don't think thx is Fred, too many differences in attitude and writing style, but could be wrong.

Hels, what's with the quip about south islanders?

"massive 4x4 vehicle, which is dangerous and creates unnecessary pollution"

depends what your towing doesnt it ... heavy taxation just makes it hard for those of us that do actually require the use of a 4x4 regularly to tow stuff... just means i buy old ones in the lower tax brackets and keep em going as long as i can.

how would mcmoonter get his wood back to his gaff without his disco ?

how would mcmoonter get his wood back to his gaff without his disco ?

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No

and no 4x4 or other huge gas guzzler or audi hair dresser cars
no pets
no take away or eating out
Yes mobile phone
yes 2 bikes 1 road 1 mtb

my budget has to balance unlike Greece's, Cyprus, Italy, Spain etc I havent voted myself huge benefits I cant pay for.

tbh ive been doing that recently - pilfering wood left deep in the woods where you cant get with the motor from the thinning of the woods.

Definitely seems like then new elfie login. Anyone heard from Mike Connor recently?

Muswell Hill is not so rugged that you 'need' a BMW X5...

Oh, we allocate cars on 'need' now do we?

Will this apply to other sectors of society as well in your utopia?

Sorry guv, you can't have that 6" travel full suss as you only ride Swinley and Leith Hill

What does that mean? Someone called me 'Fred' on here the other day too.

aaah..

this means that you may have been sticking up for the underdog in a manner that betrays a simmering moral outrage..

A bloke that used to post here (fred) used to do it a fair bit.. (a bit too much in fact, got up people's noses) you shouldn't be too upset by it though, most people were simply very jealous that Fred was so much clevererer than them.. 😀

Meh, offence taken over clumsy advice shocker. Even if the advice was worded more effectively it would still have caused offence as people don't like being told what to do with their lives or how to spend their money.

I imagine the people thx1138 is ranting at also don't like being told what to do with their money anymore than those using their benefits / tax credits / latest bribe for votes money to pay for fags and lotto. The only difference is the BMW X5 owners have found a source of income other than the state (I'd be surprised if it were possible to stretch benefits that far).

Everyone's got an opinion on how others should live, my opinion is people should just get on with their own lives, deal with the consequences of their actions and stop whinging

they are by far the largest drain on the welfare bill- not to mention the NHS, see loads of oldies queuing up at the fag counter in morrisons

Surely this is the solution not the problem.

Do you really need a massive 4x4 vehicle, which is dangerous and creates unnecessary pollution? Could you not instead get a smaller, less polluting car, or travel by public transport/bicycle/walk instead? And start considering others rather than just yourselves; that way we might all have a slightly nicer society
Could you also park nicely outside the school as the reason the roads are so dangerous there and your precious cannot go on foot is the behaviour of all the cars trying to park right outside the school endganering us.

I doubt he is fred- he was an infamous poster on here now bay ned from here for his constant "trouble making"- as you are more coherent and less antagonistic. Every knew charachter gets asked this btw.
He polarised opinions but i am in the for camp bu he was often a very naught boy

 

Sorry guv, you can't have that 6" travel full suss as you only ride Swinley and Leith Hill

fair comment

On inspection of the garage I find I need to balance my tyre budget I seemed 'over stocked'

He polarised opinions but i am in the for camp bu he was often a very naught boy

+1 Long live Fred!

Oh, we allocate cars on 'need' now do we?

No, you are free to buy whatever car you choose. And therein lies the problem; buy a massive dangerous polluter, just because it's nice and big and comfy and your neighbour's think you look oh so wealthy, and you're being less socially responsible/more selfish. So why shouldn't you receive just criticism? Same as if you blow your benefits on Sky/booze/fags etc.

Will this apply to other sectors of society as well in your utopia?

Why not apply criticism of selfish and socially irresponsible behaviour to all, equally? If your behaviour impacts on others, why should you be exempt from criticism? This isn't about 'utopia'; this is about not being a ****.

I imagine the people thx1138 is ranting at also don't like being told what to do with their money anymore than those using their benefits / tax credits / latest bribe for votes money to pay for fags and lotto. The only difference is the BMW X5 owners have found a source of income other than the state (I'd be surprised if it were possible to stretch benefits that far).

Have they also found other roads to drive on, and a different atmosphere to pollute?

aaah..

this means that you may have been sticking up for the underdog in a manner that betrays a simmering moral outrage..

A bloke that used to post here (fred) used to do it a fair bit.. (a bit too much in fact, got up people's noses) you shouldn't be too upset by it though, most people were simply very jealous that Fred was so much clevererer than them..

I see. This would explain why I've been met with hostility by certain other forum members, since I joined. I'd imagine 'Fred' was possibly in a minority of actually being able to think for themselves then; judging by many of the attitudes expressed on here.

Strange, the bit about 'people not liking being told what to do with their money', because I got grief for buying a couple of bikes a few months ago. Quite a few were almost angrily suggesting I should spend less than I had intended to, and that I was 'flaunting' my 'wealth'. 😯 😆 Funny forum this.

"Funny forum this" now you get it!

just because it's nice and big and comfy and your neighbour's think you look oh so wealthy, and you're being less socially responsible/more selfish.

So, you're just jealous really then?

Typical lefty politics of envy glossed over as social responsibility 🙄

massively dangerous polluter .....

pull the other one.

all cars are dangerous weapons

So, you're just jealous really then?

No. Why would I be? 😕

Typical lefty politics of envy glossed over as social responsibility

Wrong again. What has 'left' or 'right' got to do with this at all?

We have to share crowded, congested space in London. Ergo, we should exercise a degree in social responsibility in how we behave, and try to curb our selfishness. Driving larger, higher polluting vehicles than is necessary (or indeed driving at all if you don't genuinely need to), is selfish and socially irresponsible. And indefensible, regardless of politics. Attempts to justify the use of such vehicles, by people in London who rarely venture beyond the M25, is apologising for selfishness and social irresponsibility.

We have virgin just the M+ as we don't watch much telly but I do watch bsb, wav, and moto gp and always using the internet.
We smoke follies
We don't drink often once a week max and maybe a full blown night out on the booze now and again.
We have one mtb each and upgrade them wwhen things break.
Eat well and try to go out for a meal when we are off.

Both earn about combined about 3500 a month and our outgoings including food and petrol costs comes to about 1300 the rest is disposable income.

Can you really afford Sky, cigarettes, bingo, drinks and other non-essentials?

My non working neighbours can , they could also afford to put their own patio doors in when the council refused and they've had 2 brand new kitchens in the last 4 years ,his car is 5 years newer than mine and he took his wife and 3 kids to Disney for last years holiday.

I've got Sky, don't smoke ,hardly drink don't do bingo. I like my bikes but don't spend massive amounts on them. I'd rather spend my cash spoiling my kids.

My non working neighbours can , they could also afford to.. blah blah blah ignorant right wing propaganda rant

what has that got to do with them being non-working carlos?

sounds to me like they actually do probably work, or are either criminals or have just spent an inheritance or something?

you certainly can't have that sort of lifestyle on benefits

"My non working neighbours can , they could also afford to put their own patio doors in when the council refused and they've had 2 brand new kitchens in the last 4 years ,his car is 5 years newer than mine and he took his wife and 3 kids to Disney for last years holiday."

not wishing to fuel stereotypical rage but i knew of a family who were similar and ill admit i was a little jelous of their lifestyle UNTIL

he got put down for a stretch at her majestys on drug charges....

thx1138 - I liked Fred, I wish he would come back. You have similar politics and are very articulate, so I took a shot !

(although the George Lucas sign-on is a tester, I myself like spaceships but loathe George Lucas and his myriad of muppets masquerading as science fiction and ruining it for the rest of us, but anyways cool user name)

We want Fred!

I get abused by Fred via the medium of text message nowadays. He doesn't even charge me for this service! 😀

Am I socially irresponsible for choosing to drive a car that isnt the most fuel efficient/least polluting I could afford?

I do 10000 miles per year, and I choose to drive a car that only does 20mpg, does that make me a bad person?

Or does it make me no worse than the person that does 20000 miles per year in a car that does 40mpg?

I also happen to live in a house that has 4 bedrooms, but we only use 3 of them, I suppose I should give the house up and let someone more deserving have it, or at least get a lodger in rent free and let them make good use of the space.

I do 10000 miles per year, and I choose to drive a car that only does 20mpg, does that make me a bad person?

Yes it does! I don't know how you sleep at night! You bastard!!! Come the glorious revolution, you'll be first against the wall!!!

thx1138 - I liked Fred, I wish he would come back.

We want Fred!

Why did he leave?

I get abused by Fred via the medium of text message nowadays.

Is he a friend of yours? You're a bit 'lefty' too aren't you? Seems that 'lefties' come in for a bit of stick on here. Perhaps we should stick together? 🙂

although the George Lucas sign-on is a tester, I myself like spaceships but loathe George Lucas and his myriad of muppets masquerading as science fiction and ruining it for the rest of us, but anyways cool user name)

Thanks. Jar Jar Binks was a real low point for me; Lucas' best days seem to be behind him. THX1138 was actually developed from a student project. Maybe he should go back to college.

What has 'left' or 'right' got to do with this at all?

Then why are you banging on about BMW's, Tarquin and Tabitha and keeping up with the neighbours?

Most of the 4wd owners I know have kids names more along the lines of Chardonnay & Tyson, and Japanese made cars - and to be honest, there are far more polluting vehicles out there than a modern 4WD, with just as big a footprint and gross weight as one

But I suppose that complaining about Transporter of Sharan owners wouldn't have really fitted in with your petty bourgeoisie class warrior status would it Fred?

thx1138 - Lefties can't stick together. Everyone knows that. We are destined to split in to narrow Peoples Front of Judea/Judean Peoples Front style, leftier-than-you factions, and spend our days sniping at each other rather than the true enemy, while the Tories get on with Privatising everything while braking into their Krug

Actually... thinking about it, depressingly.... most of the time, that's true 😥

Fred got banned for being just a bit TOO obstreperous. And having multiple user names so he could argue with himself. Was fun, and he had some interesting and challenging views that IMHO were very well expressed. But then he would take it to heart and get petulant and abuse people. So perhaps you are too mild mannered to be Fred now I think about it some more.

there are far more polluting vehicles out there than a modern 4WD, with just as big a footprint and gross weight as one

They are just as bad. And Sharans are more economical than 4x4s anyway.

tbh cycling around london am irrational hatred of school run mums driving x5s cayenes (often with mirrors folded in?)etc is quite rational they are the worst culprits for ignoring asl s at traffic lights (after buses)

I do 10000 miles per year, and I choose to drive a car that only does 20mpg, does that make me a bad person?

Yep. Because you chose that car, knowing it has a significant negative impact. You chose not to mitigate your impact on the environment.

In short, you don't give a shit, at a time when we all really need to give a shit.

Or does it make me no worse than the person that does 20000 miles per year in a car that does 40mpg?

What about the person who does 3,000 miles a year in a car that does 65mpg?

I suppose I should give the house up and let someone more deserving have it

Point missed.

I don't think he's Fred. I know what'll flush him out if it is. Ahem.....

Louis Suarez, the bloody cheating scouse diver? He'll be off at the end of the season. He's had enough of carrying the rest of the losers in what is admittedly a top 4 side. Top 4 of the championship, that is....

*sits and waits*

Personally, I'd like to see some proactive work from hippies and yoghurt knitters who don't like my big 4x4.

They could come and take turns to suck on my great big dirty exhaust pipe for an hour each, whilst I sit with the engine ticking over, when it could really be switched off. I do like to keep warm in this cold weather!

Am I socially irresponsible for choosing to drive a car that isnt the most fuel efficient/least polluting I could afford?

Yes. It's the degree of irresponsibility that's the key factor here though; we're all socially irresponsibly in some way. Maybe you've chosen to drive a car you like rather than what would be best for the polar bears. fine, that's your choice, but you have to accept you will be open to criticism for your choices, as we all are. None of us are perfect. I could create less energy wastage by posting on here less. 😉

I do 10000 miles per year, and I choose to drive a car that only does 20mpg, does that make me a bad person?

Or does it make me no worse than the person that does 20000 miles per year in a car that does 40mpg?

Oh you're definitely going to Hell; it's just how many endangered species you take with you. 😀

It's all about proportion though, isn't it? And the reasons for doing things. Seems that far too many London 4x4 owners do so because they want status symbols rather than looking beyond their own noses; they will then blame everyone else for any problems. I had a stupid woman in an Audi tank screaming at me because I was on the road, on my bicycle (she had actually moved onto my side of the road to go round a parked van, rather than wait for me to pass safely). Apparently, according to her I shouldn't be doing so. I did try to remind her that we are supposed to share the roads and in fact she was causing far more of a problem than I was, but her behaviour was just one more example of the selfishness of too many people.

It's ok to play a bit of music in your own home. It's also ok to play it a bit loud occasionally, at reasonable times of the day. Playing it extremely loudly in the middle of night, without any consideration or respect for others, just makes you a ****.

Interesting how that sort of behaviour will rightly be frowned upon, but other equally selfish behaviour isn't.

To work out if he's Fred, all we need to do is start dissing London. He'd never be able to resist telling us about it being the greatest city on earth.

"They are just as bad. And Sharans are more economical than 4x4s anyway."

Depends on the sharans engine and the model of 4x4 doesnt it really ....... panda 4x4 = 67.3 MPG OMG IS THAT MORE THAN YOUR PRIUS AND A 4X4 ?????

Seems that far too many [s]London[/s] [s]4x4[/s] [s]van[/s] [s]estate[/s] [s]sports car[/s] car owners do so because they want status symbols rather than looking beyond their own noses

FTFY

I had a stupid woman in an Audi tank screaming at me because I was [s]on the road[/s] riding like a cock

That too! I bet you're the type of person that wears a gopro on his helmet when he's commuting too, aren't you NuFred?

We[b] have to[/b] share crowded, congested space in London.

Then why are you banging on about BMW's, Tarquin and Tabitha and keeping up with the neighbours?

What's that got to do with 'left' or 'right' politics again?

Fred got banned for being just a bit TOO obstreperous. And having multiple user names so he could argue with himself. Was fun, and he had some interesting and challenging views that IMHO were very well expressed. But then he would take it to heart and get petulant and abuse people. So perhaps you are too mild mannered to be Fred now I think about it some more.

'Obstreperous'. What a great word. 😀

So, 'Fred' appears to be a form of insult perhaps, used by those who don't agree with my views and opinions?

But I suppose that complaining about Transporter of Sharan owners wouldn't have really fitted in with your petty bourgeoisie class warrior status would it Fred?

Yes, it appears so. 😀

Rattrap; I'm middle class and live in an affluent part of London. I socialise with layers, judges, architects, designers, doctors, university professors and all manner of bourgeoisie. Hardly 'petty'. Some of them are really rather wealthy. All of us could probably be a lot more socially responsible and less selfish in our habits. Interestingly, none of us drive 4x4s. Perhaps because we don't feel the need to. I know a QC who cycles everywhere; she shlepps her legal documents around in large panniers. I also know a high court judge who gets the bus everywhere (because she enjoys meeting people!). So at least a few of us are making an effort.

But carry on with your ignorant assumptions, if it serves your purpose (whatever that is).

thx1138 - Lefties can't stick together. Everyone knows that. We are destined to split in to narrow Peoples Front of Judea/Judean Peoples Front style, leftier-than-you factions, and spend our days sniping at each other rather than the true enemy, while the Tories get on with Privatising everything while braking into their Krug

Actually... thinking about it, depressingly.... most of the time, that's true

You're right. Whatever happened to Solidarity? 🙁

I don't think he's Fred. I know what'll flush him out if it is. Ahem.....

Louis Suarez, the bloody cheating scouse diver? He'll be off at the end of the season. He's had enough of carrying the rest of the losers in what is admittedly a top 4 side. Top 4 of the championship, that is....

*sits and waits*

Sorry to dissapoint Binners, but I'm actually a QPR fan. Well I say 'fan', what I really mean is 'sufferer'. 😥

Depends on the sharans engine and the model of 4x4 doesnt it really ....... panda 4x4 = 67.3 MPG

If you think this is all about the number of driven wheels on a vehicle then you're an idiot. Can't tell if it's deliberate or not though 🙂

Let's just clear something up: 4x4 is a short-hand for 'unnecessarily large and/or uneconomical vehicle'. Maybe we can call them ULUVs and remove the debate about Sharans, Transporters and Pandas.

Yep. Because you chose that car, knowing it has a significant negative impact. You chose not to mitigate your impact on the environment.

In short, you don't give a shit, at a time when we all really need to give a shit.

But I also pay far more in tax than I would do if I was driving something that did 65mpg, so driving gas guzzlers is actually the answer to this countries problems not the cause of it. If more people drove gas guzzlers then other things like income tax could be lowered helping the less well off.

Ps - just to get the lefties frothing a bit more, I also have two other cars that do less than 25mpg, and a boat that does ~1.5mpg. And I ride a bike that is overkill for 90% of the riding I do.

I'm middle class and live in an affluent part of London

Ah, I [b]was[/b] right about the petty bourgeoisie class warrior then 😉

Guess what - the world doesn't stop at the M25, and some of those people might actually drive their cars [i]outside[/i] of London as well (here be dragons) - you'll never believe this, but other people live even further away in the wild desolate parts of the country beyond Surrey, where there are trees and everyfink, and they might have a 4WD to get around where there are no gritters or bus services. some even put tools and dogs and bales of hay and sheep and things in the back - amazing, isn't it!

Admit it, I'm right about the Gopro on your helmet for commuting, aren't I?

thx1138 - In that case, sorry, that last sentence must have been worryingly prosaic.

Ah, I was right about the petty bourgeoisie class warrior then

No, you're still wrong I'm afraid. don't let things like facts get in the way of your judgment though.

Guess what - the world doesn't stop at the M25, and some of those people might actually drive their cars outside of London as well

They may well might. I don't see how they 'need' a massive 4x4 over something like a Focus/Astra etc though. And they have their shopping delivered by Occado so it's not like they need the boot space either. And judging by the pristine condition of all those in my area, they probably never venture off road at all. So why exactly are people driving them? Because they're insecure and inadequate.

Do you drive a 4x4 ratrap?

If more people drove gas guzzlers then other things like income tax could be lowered helping the less well off.

There would be an increase in respitory illnesses, requiring more to be spent on healthcare. Bang goes your income tax decrease.

Nope - I have in the past though!

And you haven't denied the Gopro, have you NuFred?

But I also pay far more in tax than I would do if I was driving something that did 65mpg, so driving gas guzzlers is actually the answer to this countries problems not the cause of it.

The country's needs, fine, what about the world's needs?

haha it was deliberate but a 4x4 is a 4x4 because it has 4 driven wheels ....

ULUV is much more appropriate. ULUV WELUV EVERYBODYLUVS 😉

this thread has turned in to a "word-off"

obstreperous
bourgeoisie
prosaic

😕

it's like being back at school, but with the posh kids...

Bloody hell. One of the posh kids? Clearly you've never met me 😯

I had a stupid woman in an Audi tank screaming at me because I was on the road riding like a cock

So, riding along a road, on the side you are meant to be on, is 'riding like a cock', is it? Ok. With such contempt for cyclists, what are you doing on a cycling forum?

That too! I bet you're the type of person that wears a gopro on his helmet when he's commuting too, aren't you NuFred?

If I knew what a 'gopro' was, then I'd be able to answer.

Is it ok if I take 'Fred' as a form of compliment, seeing as how this individual was clearly well loved on here? 🙂

ULUV

That's too 'nice'. What about 'U****'?

So, riding along a road, on the side you are meant to be on, is 'riding like a cock', is it? Ok. With such contempt for cyclists, what are you doing on a cycling forum?

Aha! It is Mike Connor 😀

We'll see......

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(although the George Lucas sign-on is a tester, I myself like spaceships but loathe George Lucas and his myriad of muppets masquerading as science fiction and ruining it for the rest of us, but anyways cool user name)

To be fair, THX1138 was before George Lucas decided he had to have muppets in all his movies....

Lets hope he doesn't make a "prequel" - another odious contribution to film-making.

Probably but I choose to spend it on important stuff instead 🙂