[Closed] can the striking BBC Journalists please..

yes, that one about the nouveau poor middle classes at 6:30 was very much 'Radio 4 at its best'.

Absoultely. Hearing 'The Best Of Fighting Talk' at 5.30 on R5 was a very pleasant surprise. Like Christmas week.

I got all confused and had to check it wasnt the weekend already.

I had to wake up to Radio 5 instead of Radio Scotland 🙁

wwaswas - Member

yes, that one about the nouveau poor middle classes at 6:30 was very much 'Radio 4 at its best'.

Trimix - Member

I got all confused and had to check it wasnt the weekend already.

Exactly what I thought

The Guardian are doing an alternative Today Programme 'blog' for news fans.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/nov/05/today-for-one-day-only

And who made those repeated programmes then?

Wouldn't have been the striking BBC journalists by any chance?

The best way to ensure more of the sort of broadcasting you enjoy is to support them.

</NUJ member hat off>

I'm fully in support, I gave the picket line outside Radio Sheffield a toot as I drove past this morning

BUT

no Susanna Reid on a Friday? Bastards! 😡

Turned on the telly this morning for my usual Friday MILF viewing, bugger!

In my half awake state, I thought that Churchill had died.

chakaping, I have no problems with NUJ members/BBC employees making those programmes. I'd like more of them please, and slightly less of the Nicky Campbell faux-sincerity "news" on R5, that's all.

And yes, of course there are other stations, but R5 comes closest to what I like at thwe weekends. The weeksdays are dreadful.

Churchill has died.

A sad loss to the world of car insurance.

cynic-al - Member
Churchill has died.

druidh - Member
A sad loss to the world of car insurance.

Oh...no...no...no...no.... 😐

IGMC

I know this and almost any other dispute is just a game, i.e. one side plays another and the side with the better hand tends to win more of what they want.

But please, to be on strike because they want to change your pension deal from a 'you'll get a guaranteed amount regardless of what you put into the sytem' to 'you'll get an amount that reflects what you put into the system', well you decide what it is. I know what i think.

I can see John Humphries now on the picket line, getting so far up his own (well paid) arse he can taste his own liver.

chakaping - Member
And who made those repeated programmes then?

Wouldn't have been the striking BBC journalists by any chance?

researchers and presenters probably, journos just do the news don't they

anyhow we are paying the wages through the licence fee surely, why should they be treated differently to all the other BBC employees who have agreed terms over pensions?

It's amazing how the default position people take in any dispute like this seems to be 'why are they striking the greedy bastards' - I don't claim to know the ins an outs of these cases but it seems the right wing press has done a very good job of convincing everyone that the only possible reason for striking is being greedy and lazy.

The Guardian are doing an alternative Today Programme 'blog' for news fans.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/nov/05/today-for-one-day-only

Scabs!

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And Joan Bakewell can beatbox.
Truly a morning of wonder.

I really enjoyed the stuff about the Wash. Very relaxing for breakfast. I've flown over that coast low several times and it really is like that.. impossible to tell where the sea ends and the land begins.

Why should everyone be dragged down to the same level as the saps who don't have union representation and so can't ciollectively represent themselves?

I don't claim to know the ins an outs of these cases

This case is about the £1.5bn pension deficit in the BBC's company pension scheme. The BBC needs to try and fix that very large hole, which is the result of more money being taken out than put in. The problem with this and many other schemes like it is several fold, people living longer, pensionable payments that don’t reflect what has actually been paid into the system, growth rates being lower than was anticipated etc.

One of the key issues in this dispute is that the BBC want to move away from final salary (which is a crazy way to calculate pensionable income, I mean, come on, you spend the last three years on a salary that is 20% higher than the average of your career and you want that to be the basis on which we decide what you’ll get? Well no bloody wonder there’s a bloody great hole in the pot! In any other case that would be called a pyramid scheme and would be illegal!) and to average earnings over your career as a way of determining your pension.

[i]"Les syndicalistes et les fonctionnaires, ils ont tellement l'habitude de ne rien faire,que lorsqu'ils font la grève, ils appellent ça une journée d'action..."[/i]

Trans:

The unions and public services workers are so used to doing nothing, that when they go on strike, they call it a day of action...

Coluche, dead French comedian.

chakaping - Member
Why should everyone be dragged down to the same level as the saps who don't have union representation and so can't ciollectively represent themselves?

because the Unions are folding constantly on this issue

I'm in a Union and it coupled with others such as Unison were involved in the recent negotiations in my pension.

they folded to 90% of the management position, concentrated on protecting the people who would leave before the changes would come into effect and did next to nothing to organise and effective resistance to the changes despite having most of the key staff in the union.

How they think they can persuade me to pay additional taxes to continue public sector pensions (including BBC) in their current form is beyond me.

[i]I really enjoyed the stuff about the Wash. Very relaxing for breakfast.[/i]

Very true, but it made me lie in bed and start to drift off again rather than get up to stop John Humphries shouting at me.

As it's my TV tax that's paying for the pensions I find it difficult to support them. In fact I'd support them all going onto a defined contribution scheme if it meant I didn't have to pay as much.

Also, I haven't actually noticed the strike except for it being reported in the press, dangerous game to play if people realise that when you're gone they don't miss you.

I admit final salary pensions are not the easiest thing to defend - particularly if you don't have one yourself - and I would be surprised if the union seriously expects to retain them.

But as Geetee suggests above, it's all part of the cut-and-thrust of industrial relations - and I fully support their action if it's likely to get them a better deal.

We could cut the BBC's budget to the same as Five's if some of you woudl rather pay less licence fee. Maybe we could just sell it to Richard Desmond actually.

Works for me I don't watch much TV and I'm sure the world will continue without the such valued programmes as celebrity dancing or whatever it's called

genuine question from someone who doesnt undestand what its all about, and didnt know they were on strike..............are the journalists on strike the same ones who have been slagging the firefighters off for being on strike? or a different set of bods?

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did a bit of a double take myself this morning in the car. My half asleep thought process went along the lines of

This isn't John Humphries.
Why is Mathew Parris presenting the Today programme?
He's been going on about Churchill for quite a bit. Must be a slow news day

Anyway: As for the BBC journo's. Won't they all be selling their Kentish Town Georgian town-houses to move to Salford where the proceeds will buy them 3 postal districts each?

Bloody cheek the firemen win against the governmnet in their dispute, and a gang of essay writter walkout, just how hard is it to write news, thats happening all a round us for free.

Doh, as an example, big fire at the mill, lots of fire engines, plenty of water, nobody hurt, story over all for free.

Strangely bbc news and radio scouse wher quite good today without the names reading words written down for them.

Please dont go back to work save us the money for decent programes.

Bit early to be down the pub already isn't it project?

to be on strike because they want to change your pension deal from a 'you'll get a guaranteed amount regardless of what you put into the sytem' to 'you'll get an amount that reflects what you put into the system', well decide what it is. I know what i think

Management can break the contract but workers must honour it? Imagine if the workers just made mgmt pay them more would that be ok in your view or can only mgmt unilaterally change Terms and conditions? Mgmt offered this freely and signed the contract didn't they
Re the shortfall you are correct but it is difficut as people feel the pension is part of the deal and the mgmt want them to pay more , pay for longer and get less. Not that appealing really is it I assume you would not work longer for less money ?
There is no easy solution but imagine you thought you had 3 years to go on your mortgage and then you had topay for another 5 . People wont just go erm ok then that seems fine. That said the shortfall is real and we cannot expect mgmt to just go ok well then we will pay it either. There will be loads of these kind of disputes in the coming years and we do need to consider a new deal for all. Personally I think capping the maximum amount you can get out per annum is a good place to start. Imagine how much some of the high earners wil get in a pension for example
I suspect a country wide approach rather than local is beeter and I also think we need to look at some of those claiming pensions. The most well of people I know are all retired , no mortgage, teacher, nuring, doctor pensions of 30 K + for a couple,lump sums above 60k, rideent he property bubble massively etc - they dont need this and I dont like the fact they will get this when I will not and I will pay more so they can get what they have not paid for. This is almost regressive taxation. We need to share the pain around a pain caused by us all living for longer rather than just shaft those of us working now.
Project dont worry you will se esome examples of the workers being crushed in the coming years keep your powder dry for this

Why do we need expensively payed people to read what is somebodies essay, put them on the minimum wge or use unemployed people different one each day.

Also why should we subsidise peoples pensions in a service we already pay for.

Bloody cheek the firemen win against the governmnet in their dispute

Um, not quite but don't let that stop you.

Why do we need expensively payed people to read what is somebodies essay, put them on the minimum wge

I'd love to read the news........I would sneer every time I mentioned "Tory", and smile warmly whenever I mentioned "trade unions".

ooh you rebel, that'd have the establishment quaking ernie 😉

Project try listening to the hospital radio - I assume you can get it from your ward 😉 - can you tell the difference between this and the BBC 😆

ernie_lynch - Member

Why do we need expensively payed people to read what is somebodies essay, put them on the minimum wge

I'd love to read the news........I would sneer every time I mentioned "Tory", and smile warmly whenever I mentioned "trade unions".

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Ernie i so WANT YOU to read the news. 😀

Junkyard , i dont listen to chris moyles on hospital radio anymore

Ernie i so WANT YOU to read the news

Well the BBC would need to have an effective swear filter........I'd be bound to drop a bollock

I can't work without throwing a few ****s and ****s around 😐

That'd be more palatable to me than all the umms and errs you get on bbc news 24 - it comes to something when the sky sports news eye-candy types (doubtless fine journalistic talents in their own right) can read an autocue so much more fluidly.

incidentally, where do i send my letter requesting a tv licence rebate? - presumably we don't have to pay since they had the day off..

Customer Services PO Box 336, TV Licensing, Bristol BS98 1TL

I think you might a job convincing them that you have a BBC licence as opposed to a TV licence though. As you might also, that the BBC weren't broadcasting today.

Also, does anyone else play the "which sound effect for cretins will they use" game when listening to radio 1 news? (no great fan of radio 1, but it's the best I can hope for at work - more often than not it's f*cking local radio (one day I'll snap and columbine the beacon radio offices)) They have some bizarre need to illustrate whatever the main story may be with a sound effect - ie gunshots for gun crime, the ringing and opening of a cash register for monetary issues.

It's as though they think the average listener unable to comprehend information purely through words, but the woo woo woo of a siren and they'll suddenly realise they're being told something about the police.

Maybe this is the case, ****s me off nonetheless.

ernie_lynch - Member

Customer Services PO Box 336, TV Licensing, Bristol BS98 1TL

I think you might a job convincing them that you have a BBC licence as opposed to a TV licence though. As you might also, that the BBC weren't broadcasting today.

That's no reason to forego a disgruntled daily mail type letter though eh? Where's the fun in reason?