[Closed] Cameron blames teachers for decline in school sport

Obvious more than clever.

My personal experience of the military is that the state does everything for you.

Really?

fitness - pretty sure that was my effort
food and board - paid out of wages at source
kit - bought all my own as issued stuff was gash
training courses - had to be fought for tooth and nail to get any
resettlement - I got none at all

My experience of the military (infantry) is that you put a LOT more in than you ever get back out and the MOD can't be relied on to provide anything.

So why the disparity in elite sportspeople from private schools then? Or are you just arguing that rich people are better?

What a strange thing to ask me following my whole post regarding normal people achieving amazing results through desire and hard work.

I blame the decline on parents who out sourcing their responsibility for everything then blame the system if their children aren't rounded people.

Want children to take up sports? Hold up the mirror and ask what are you doing? Lead by example.

gwj72 is a perfect example of my point.

many who have had the opportunities seem to think its all down to their own hard work and don't respect those opportunities and the work done by others in enabling their access to opportunity.

I blame the decline on parents who out sourcing their responsibility for everything then blame the system if their children aren't rounded people.

Dead on there Pawsy.

I've got mates who find it more convenient to indulge in a bit of xbox with their kids rather than going out for a kick about or a bike ride. They will probably be blaming the school when they're a bit older and obese.

MSP - that must be 3 posts trying to get a rise out of me. You're going to have to try harder than that flower 🙂

Trying to get a rise? just pointing out the contradictions and fantasies in your posts. If you don't think the army is a state organisation, then everything must be going straight over your head.

then everything must be going straight over your head.

Incoming & US rounds, hopefully

and now cameron has turned his sights on indian dance

tbh 2 hrs of dance class is still good exercise in my book!

on the whole hes talking out of his bum/face though

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-defends-scrapping-sport-targets-8030641.html ]"The trouble we have had with targets up to now, which was two hours a week, is that a lot of schools were meeting that by doing things like Indian dance or whatever, that you and I probably wouldn't think of as sport so there's a danger of thinking all you need is money and a target. [/url]

really a lot of schools were infact teaching indian dance? is he trying to look bigoted and stupid or has he been on the pims early today

As mentioned by others, my school PE lessons were: if you're good at football, you're ok. If not, forget it, you're a dweeb.

I was pretty good at some track and field events but only remember doing them maybe once a year.

It's ironic that the one sport that was promoted is the one the UK is pretty crap at (at least at an international level).

It strikes me as a mistake to blame any one thing.

Humans as (reasonably) social creatures are influenced by there surrounds. Parents will partly be to blame for playing xbox rather than playing footy with there kids. Schools are partly to blame for failing to get kids to engage. Policy makers are to blame for bad policy. The Daily Mail will be partly to blame for scaring parents into not letting kids out for fear of what may happen. No doubt there are many other influences as well.

Each element in the equation will have an effect on the overall culture. In a similar way that the best way to manage fitness and body weight is to change your lifestyle first, the best way to stop our children turning in lazy chubsters is to change the culture in which they live.

I know TJ got banned for his intervention here, but he raised a point which at least made me go and look for info - the allegation of an state subsidy of private schools.

It looks like City of Edinburgh spends just under £5500 per child per year. 25% of the city's population goes to private school. If the state had to school that 25%, it would add c. £100M to the city's education budget requirements. Finding a couple of sources which suggest £100M is the nationwide benefit of private schools charitable status leads me to conclude the state gets a good deal from private schools as they save the state more than they cost.

Private fees here seem to be about twice the state spend per kid, so not really a surpise there's a gulf in the facilities.

I don't know that it is the state's / school's role to do anything more than show kids what opportunities there are. Too many sports to cover properly so just getting kids active and pointing them at clubs seems to me the best option for the state.

Pawsy_Bear - Member
I blame the decline on parents who out sourcing their responsibility for everything then blame the system if their children aren't rounded people.
Want children to take up sports? Hold up the mirror and ask what are you doing? Lead by example.

Gold medal for Pawsy! 🙂