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£5k seems ok for that.
plus a basically flawless mot history.
well each year has a fail, but then an immediate pass, so i suppose they just told a garage to sort anything out then pass it?
Seems cheap. I’d go for it. Some good tips on this recent thread.
Rate my Jazz (Honda, not acid)
thanks, ill read up on it.
£5k seems ok for that.
thanks, good to know its in the right area. just dont know if i want to spunk 5k on a car when i look at the scratches and scrapes on this one, plus the bent garage door that my wife recently drove into (long story) 😀
i dont mind her destroying our 06 nissan note thats worth a fiver, but if she starts chipping away at a 5k car then our losses would be more considerable 🙂
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well each year has a fail, but then an immediate pass, so i suppose they just told a garage to sort anything out then pass it?
Yes probably. It just depends on what the problem is really. You're just trying to build a picture of what the owner was like, did they care about the car or not. Did they deal with advisories, or not. Etc etc
Recently scrapped a 16 year old car rather than pass on thousands of pounds worth of problems to some poor sucker.
We're going to need a local (auto) runabout come spring I reckon, currently I'm torn between trying to find that sweet spot (Aygo/107/C1/Jazz/Corsa) on a 16-17 plate that's been garaged and main dealer serviced, and is being offloaded by a relative unaware of the value of Nans old car, Vs taking a gamble on the battery condition of a 14-16 plate Leaf.
It's honestly a bit of a conundrum to me, for EVs to be viable to muggles the older ones need to have a used market life, but it's not like smaller ICE hatchbacks are infinitely durable or have miniscule maintenance costs after a certain point.
Part of me still wants to get an old smart ForTwo. All the boomer driveways round here seem to have 'hers and sirs' 15-20 year old Smarts sat on the drive and a nice big German estate boxed in on one side (it's a bit of a middleclass ghetto TBH). They'll all be chopping them in for Zoe's and Leafs soon I reckon. But my missus isn't sold and we still have children to transport...
Venga, Jazz, Aygo - there are also the Citroen/Peugeot versions, which are effectively the same car mechanically, and which are perfectly fine little cars, family across the road from me have got two, but I just think the Aygo is a bit better put together, and is a nicer looking car.
There’s also the small Hyundai i10 which is also about the same size, and again quite a nice little car, very popular Motability car, so quite a lot around because they get changed after a short time, or else get damaged, repaired and refurbished then go onto the open market, which would be Cinch now, after Cazoo went tits-up, sadly. Which is why I’m familiar with lots of these cars, having worked logistics for BCA and then SFS/Cazoo. I’m just shy of six foot, and never found comfort an issue with these city cars, the VAG equivalents, the Citigo/Up!Mii are also very well worth checking out; I happily drove an Up! from Cornwall back to North Wiltshire one afternoon.
If auto was a requirement I'd have to be pushed hard to look past a leaf assuming you have off-street parking.
Automatic aygos are over priced due to demand.
Aygo made in same factory as c1 and Peugeot. And if anything the aygos made to a lower standard than the usual Toyota standard.
Yes probably. It just depends on what the problem is really. You’re just trying to build a picture of what the owner was like, did they care about the car or not. Did they deal with advisories, or not. Etc etc
sadly it appears that the owner has alzheimers and has stopped driving, and his family are selling it for him. my grandaughter knows his grandaughter. however, hes misplaced the service log so at present it doesnt have any history officially, although they say its been done every year.
the advisories look to have been done for each re-test apart from 1 tyre on the last one, and theyve told me itll need 2 new tyres soon. theres light damage to both bumpers and a rear door.
the young lass im in contact with (grandaughters friend) says she thinks a dealer has already made an offer to her dad but she'll keep me informed. id guess any dealer offering a price will be taking the p1ss, so i think theyd probably prefer me to buy it but im just not sure its 'the one'.
im at work today so told her if its still for sale tomorrow ill come and have a look, but obviously im not a serious potential buyer atm so if it goes it goes.
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theres light damage to both bumpers and a rear door.
Sounds like my mothers Honda Jazz, every panel has a mark or scrape on it but its serviced every yr on the dot. It sounds like a classic OAP car. The cars are very solid and reliable. If its a keeper car and not worried about the exterior dings I would buy
If its a keeper car and not worried about the exterior dings I would buy
with no service history? and yep, not toooo bothered about scrapes and dings, my wife would soon be adding to them anyway 😀
but even if i trusted that the car has been serviced regularly, itd affect resale price too wouldnt it. unless as you say, a keeper car that we run into the ground.....
EDIT: also a base model, which isnt a problem in itself but at 5k i would ideally be wanting something with at least reverse parking sensors for my wife. (painting a good picture of her driving here arent i 😀 )
Folk need to adjust their cost vs car perceptions to the 'new world'.
It's pointless for anyone who bought s/h pre-2021, telling us what you paid, it's irrelevant - this is why:
2015 aygo here just serviced and mot yesterday for 125 gbp, no advisories. Zero tax 200 gbp insurance, paid 6.5k 2018 worth 5k now.
In 2018 at 3 years old it cost £6500. 7 years LATER it's still worth £5,000.
Folk need to adjust their cost vs car perceptions to the ‘new world’.
Conversely there's a Vivaro at a dealer that's been following me around the internet, it was ~£13k last year, it's since been reduced to £7.5k!
It's a nice low milage van to be fair, but post-covid silly season with the gap in new car production, people buying commuters and people holding onto cars for longer is coming to a sharp halt.
Sounds like my mothers Honda Jazz, every panel has a mark or scrape on it but its serviced every yr on the dot. It sounds like a classic OAP car. The cars are very solid and reliable. If its a keeper car and not worried about the exterior dings I would buy
well me and mrs ex-p just been to have a look at it as its only 5 minutes away. wanted to take my wife to gauge her reaction, will she fall in love with it, will she think its not worth 5k to us etc...
initial impression was disappointment. yep i can live with a few dings, but at the bottom of the hatch, and on the damaged front bumper there were small areas of rust from the dings. its been a long time since ive seen rust on a car, and that worried me more than scratches, dints etc.
woman explained that they still havent found the service history, but the dealer that theyve been talking to stated that would only knock a couple of hundred off the value.
so we walked away, didnt even accept the offer of a drive as we didnt want to waste her time. pleasingly, mrs ex-p was of the same opinion. she's p1ssed off tho as she really wanted to fall in love with it 🙂
but...... rust, no service history, no parking sensors (really think theyd help wife out), top of our budget at 5k, it just wasnt the one. i thought about a (very) cheeky offer but as the grandaughters know each other i didnt want to take the p1ss. im sure itll sell to someone, just not the car for us unless it was a lot cheaper and we bought it as 'an absolute bargain'.
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tempting in this frosty weather as it has a heated windscreen, but its not japanese (nor skoda/kia/hyundai etc) nor petrol which was my main criteria but what are your thoughts on:
ford fiesta zetec 1.25, 12 plate, 105,000 miles, FSH, short MOT (would need a conversation about that) for £1,500.
This the 82ps one? I thought the diesels from back then were 1.4 or 1.6 too?
Keep searching - it took me months and months to find something that was acceptable, so much rusty, badly repaired rubbish out there.
Ended up with a 2006 Clio for £900, no service history, mismatched worn tyres, stitched up tears in the rear seats, and about 7 shades of red, but rust free and straight enough (almost 100k miles as well).
Shoved it into my local garage for oil, filter, air filter, cambelt, and any weeping seals behind the cambelt, and 4 new tyres and it's become her first runabout.
So I suppose what I'm saying is don't discount the uber-cheap end of the market, if you can find something that's straight and rust free and not smoking/steaming. As you've then got some money to spend making it reliable.
ford fiesta zetec 1.25, 12 plate, 105,000 miles, FSH, short MOT (would need a conversation about that) for £1,500.
You'd need to check the timing belt has been done at that mileage.
This the 82ps one? I thought the diesels from back then were 1.4 or 1.6 too?
ahhh id assumed it was petrol. dont want diesel.
You’d need to check the timing belt has been done at that mileage.
doesnt say but i think ill forget it anyway. MOT history shows plenty of advisories that werent done til next year, so you get a picture dont you....
heated windscreen would be nice tho 🙂
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another honda jazz, good provenance as its a mates daughter selling it after 7 years. hes got his own garage so will have kept it decent, not sure he's overpriced it tho so putting it here for your advice please. its a.....
honda jazz 5 door 2012 1.4 EX, top spec model in metallic grey, FSH, MOT Jan 26, just been serviced, 2 new rear tyres and rear brake pads. 68k miles.
i wont put the price up yet, ill see how you value it before doing that 🙂
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oh hes just told me that its an i-vtech engine if thats a consideration.
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£3.5k ?
For a manual I'm guessing 4.5k based on Auto trader prices.
Slap bang in the middle, 4k.
I thought that was overpriced for a 12 plate but maybe not then....
A low-mileage Doris car, I'd be concerned about the clutch. Regular away I see OAPs pulling out of parking bays at walking pace with the engine screaming its tits off. You can smell it after they've gone.
its been owned by his daughter for the last 7 years, although i cant vouch for her driving style. shes been paying lots of money to keep it down in london where she works and its just not viable for her to keep it really as she just uses public transport or her boyfriends EV.
sounds the sort of car we'd want (small, decent make, petrol, FSH etc), and as i mentioned before, her dad/our friend has his own garage so i guess he'd have kept it all up to scratch for her.
talking of scratches, i dont think its got reversing sensors which surprises me for a top end model. mrs ex-punk has certainly scraped ours a few times so im hesitant to buy one with no sensors that might be worth a lot less in a short space of time 😀
but..... as ever with cars, you take a chance. just had that initial feeling that 4k was overpriced for a 12 plate, but maybe it is in the ballpark actually.
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in london
Less road salt
Well worth thinking about a car from Southern England, especially if the person doesn't rinse the car off underneath. Just got my van, and it's lived in SW England for 3 years and it's immaculate underneath. We bought a cheap Aygo, 3 years ago (£2k) and it had lived in the NE. Fortunately, bodywork was OK, but it needed cleaning and rust proofing on the suspension and subframe as it was starting to go crusty. It's been fine since.
well, weve just been for a test drive in it. lovely little car really, couple of dints but nowt thatd put me off. what does put me off tho is that there was no DAB (no 6 music!!), no reverse sensors, and wife ideally wanted a car thats £30 p/a to tax.
i guess im just after a bit more for a 'top spec' car, in this day and age i really think spending 4k on an upgrade then it should have DAB and sensors.
a compromise (or 3) too far do you think? or should i look past minor issues like that?
Top spec in a small car isn't the same as top spec in a big car.
DAB radio and parking sensors/cameras aren't massively expensive or complicated aftermarket items and can even be combined.
Eye test might be worth while if she doesn't know where the back of the car is in something that is small enough to almost touch the back window from the driver's seat. I'll leave the OP to decide the best approach on that though 😆😉
DAB radio and parking sensors/cameras aren't massively expensive or complicated aftermarket items and can even be combined.
spoke to a mate of mine who's an auto electrician, he says the sensors would be around £200, and thinks i'd struggle to get a decent DAB add-on these days, and itd also tie up the aux socket (thats if it has one). so im thinking that even if it could be done, im going to be adding around £500 to the cost, so 4.5k for a 12 plate? sadly i think we'll give this one a miss and the search goes on.
Eye test might be worth while if she doesn't know where the back of the car is in something that is small enough to almost touch the back window from the driver's seat. I'll leave the OP to decide the best approach on that though
nowt wrong with her eyes (she still finds me slightly attractive after all) its her spatial awareness she needs to work on 😀
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Quick look on eBay brings up a range of Android head units for the Jazz with fascia, DAB tuner and a camera bundled in for £100-£150.
It's one of the easier things to change in a cars spec if it meets other requirements. Or if you opt for a single DIN unit and fascia you can just move it from car to car. We have one that has been in 3 or 4 cars and is now in the garden shed that has a 12v solar setup
Quick look on eBay brings up a range of Android head units for the Jazz with fascia, DAB tuner and a camera bundled in for £100-£150.
Or if you opt for a single DIN unit and fascia you can just move it from car to car.
something like this?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/226369900170
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Bit late to this thread, but also consider a Suzuki Swift. You should be able to get a decent one for your budget.
We bought my son a 2013 model and it is a great little car. 1.2l engine is great for fuel economy but not strained on motorway runs. It also only £35 vehicle tax.
I would look at it the other way round - you could save money on a higher mileage example and not necessarily have a less reliable car.
Bit late to this thread, but also consider a Suzuki Swift. You should be able to get a decent one for your budget.
yeah, considering all far eastern motors really, if we see a swift itll definitely be up for consideration.
I would look at it the other way round - you could save money on a higher mileage example and not necessarily have a less reliable car.
yep, not discounting higher mileage at all.
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Yes, like the linked one, bit cheap and cheerful, but do the job. Must add I don't have one myself but have used similar cheap single DIN items in tractors and diggers.
Yes, like the linked one, bit cheap and cheerful, but do the job.
yeah, my (auto-electrician) mate said the same to me about it. he said you cant get the decent quality goodwood type jobbies for that make/model/age of car any more, so the only alternative is a cheap chinese on which can be pot luck. hes seen a load fail in his line of work.
he mentioned you could probably get a different dashboard to suit a better one, but ive no appetite for taking it that far.
like i said, shame, as the provenance/history of the car was ideal.
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just tried posting this but got bombed out, something about a problem with my data so i'll try again.
wifes just sent me an i20, about 30 miles from home. its 100,000 on the clock and £5k.
whats your opinion on the model/engine type? any alarm bells? i know itll be overpriced at a dealer but if its the right car...... cant get to see it til middle of next week anyway but thought id ask your opinions. the pics show it to be in good nick.
Just get a simple car. Avoid those "high tech" cars with plenty of gadgets cos they will be plenty to go wrong.
well we've just been to look at another hyundai active but better than the last one. same price (£5k), same year (2016) but this ones got FSH, fewer miles on it (71k) and seems well looked after, just a few small scratches on the back but thats to be expected at that age.
apparently its a 1.0 T-GDi turbo petrol engine, so my question is...... turbo? we're looking for simple petrol engine, as little as possible to go wrong. anyone know what these engines are like and how serious it would be if the turbo was to fail?
only got a short test on it but he says he'd put one on if it was called for. we've got a good feel for it, lovely looking car that appears to have been well looked after, so next question is, is that car/model/engine worth £5k? would it be fair to offer less and accept the gamble of putting a test on ourselves?
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ewwww actually my wifes just told me id got the price wrong, it would appear to be £6k, not £5k. not such a good price after all then :-/
apparently its a 1.0 T-GDi turbo petrol engine, so my question is...... turbo? we're looking for simple petrol engine, as little as possible to go wrong. anyone know what these engines are like and how serious it would be if the turbo was to fail?
Well you're right that it is more to go wrong, but almost everything has a turbo now, including pretty much every van you see.
Many of those will get driven hard from cold, with zero mechanical sympathy and the maximum possible interval between oil changes.
So yeah modern turbos are pretty robust TBH (in general, i don't know this specific car/engine).
but almost everything has a turbo now,
yeah? that surprises me, i didnt think any of the small cars did unless they were sport versions.
So yeah modern turbos are pretty robust TBH (in general, i don't know this specific car/engine).
so you wouldnt be too worried about the car only doing lots of small journeys? im talking of 2 journeys per day, 2 miles each time, sometimes even less? thats why we're only considering petrol, i hadnt even considered that any of these small cars might have a turbo.
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but almost everything has a turbo now,
yeah? that surprises me, i didnt think any of the small cars did unless they were sport versions.
So yeah modern turbos are pretty robust TBH (in general, i don't know this specific car/engine).
so you wouldnt be too worried about the car only doing lots of small journeys? im talking of 2 journeys per day, 2 miles each time, sometimes even less? thats why we're only considering petrol, i hadnt even considered that any of these small cars might have a turbo.
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Problem with tiny low powered petrol engines relying on a turbo is you'll be on boost pretty much all the time, otherwise it will be slow as hell.. Ford eco-boost engines seem to have a bit of a questioable rep for reliability, for example.
but almost everything has a turbo now,
yeah? that surprises me, i didnt think any of the small cars did unless they were sport versions.
So yeah modern turbos are pretty robust TBH (in general, i don't know this specific car/engine).
so you wouldnt be too worried about the car only doing lots of small journeys? im talking of 2 journeys per day, 2 miles each time, sometimes even less? thats why we're only considering petrol, i hadnt even considered that any of these small cars might have a turbo.
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Sounds like an ev might be a better option? 2 miles is a bad workload for any engine really, turbo or not. Check out the Nissan leaf and Renault zoe.
Sounds like an ev might be a better option? 2 miles is a bad workload for any engine really, turbo or not. Check out the Nissan leaf and Renault zoe.
for around £5k? not really clued up on EVs tbh altho ive been dipping in and out of the EV thread to try and understand them a bit better. are those 2 cars hybrids or full electric? and i suppose theyd have a crap range before needing a recharge?
and back to the 'small far eastern engines'.... our nissan note has done us proud over the years and we'd still be happy getting another similar small petrol jobbie (it does still get a decent run periodically), so would you say this small engine with the turbo would be a worse option than one without? or negligible?
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