[Closed] Building rest into your training?

[i]and a ride without a powermeter on the road is not even worth doing, I just go home if my garmin runs out of battery- sad, but true.[/i]

Yes, sad.

[b]a ride without a powermeter on the road is not even worth doing[/b], I just go home if my garmin runs out of battery- sad, but true.

Bobbins. You've not taken any notice of the PM data in the time you've had it? Not calibrated your internal RPE scale?
I can stick the computer in my back pocket while out on the bike and make an estimate of AP and NP within 10W or so.

[i]I just go home if my garmin runs out of battery- sad, but true[/i]

I haven't brought my flame thrower with me today, but please allow me to point out that if that is true, then surely you've lost your love of cycling ?.

a ride without a powermeter on the road is not even worth doing

Utter bullshit. In fact bullshit defined.

LS.

Welcome to the planet Earth.

I'd like to take you to our leader, but one hasn't emerged yet although many have tried.

While we're waiting, can you please de-code what you just posted.

Imagine that even for an Earthling, I'm extremely dim.
😉

iamconfusedagain... you need to come for a bike ride with me when it's -4... leave your powermeter at home.

I've heard of people having RHRs of 40 something.

39, here & i'm not even that fit.

a ride without a powermeter on the road is not even worth doing

someone better tell all those old roadies.

Whats the quote about power meters?

..an amateur using a power meter is like someone employing an accountant to tell them how poor they are... or something like that.

Sorry Solo - AP is average power, NP is normalised power (uses an algorithm to determine actual stress caused based on the variability of the power output). RPE is Rate of Perceived Exertion, a scale of how hard the effort 'feels'.

If iamconfusedagain is using a PM to the level where he can't ride without it, then I'd suggest that either he needs to learn a bit more or has just become a slave to the thing. He won't be the first.

ok sorry. I meant that as a silly personal statement to demonstrate how obsessed I can get about the numbers. But it is true that if I have intervals to do I wont bother doing them without the data. My RPE 'calibration' is pretty poor during interval sets but pretty good during racing.
It is weird that since moving away from mainly offroad to mainly road, I focus on data and it makes up part of the fun. And depite the numbers confirming I am mediocre at best I love my bikes more than ever.

I focus on data and it makes up part of the fun.

I do agree with this. But I can happily (occasionally) just go out for a ride on my bike with no aim to get a PB or hit a target average speed etc.

[i]I do agree with this. But I can happily [b](occasionally) just go out for a ride on my bike with no aim to get a PB or hit a target average speed etc[/b][/i]

Dude, you do need assistance, me thinks.

Cycling just cos its there, IS the love.

that's exactly what my flatmate• said about your post!

Wow, with credentials like that I'm surprised he's so clueless!

To be fair you seem to know crap all about how I train so I'd refrain from assuming I'm an idiot if I were you.

I view the London sessions as mixed intervals. Works quite well too in conjunction with other training.

Solo... that's what night riding mountain bikes is for!

Expensive ones are a rip-off; the technology is simple, so a £15 jobby from Lidl or Decathlon is as good as a Polar one.

Assuming all you want to know is your current heart rate. If you plan to use it in a gym you'll probably want a codified signal, and being able to define limits is handy for training.

Monday is day off

Other than that I just do what I feel like, but I'm not training for anything

Wow, with credentials like that I'm surprised he's so clueless!

To be fair you seem to know crap all about how I train so I'd refrain from assuming I'm an idiot if I were you.

who said you were an idiot? i think it's you who needs to stop making assumptions.
i only have one statement to base any assumption as to how you train and that is:

I've recently been bombing around London as fast as I can as training. It's surprising how a 5-7 mile ride can leave you tired in the legs. I've noticed that if I don't take a 2-3 day rest period (and eat some carbs) I still feel achey and slow, but if I do I come back full of fastness.

if you had used 'training' language then maybe i would have made an assumption that you knew what you were doing?

I view the London sessions as mixed intervals. Works quite well too in conjunction with other training.

well there you go, looks like a training plan 🙄

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I view the London sessions as mixed intervals. Works quite well too in conjunction with other training
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Again, I'm with molgrips on that.
Not that he gives a fig 🙂

BTW molgrips, caught a bit of your running thread and wanted to offer my congrats on your progress.
IIRC you are significantly faster, recently.
But then again, I'm no slouch when it comes to getting to the ATM.
🙂

[i]Solo... that's what night riding mountain bikes is for! [/i]

TSY, thats sooo spokey, its not true.
If only you knew the [i]Truth[/i]

Eh?

I've been doing the Maffetone method since Xmas. Involves no HR work over 180-AGE, meaning I've got to stay below 150. I'm mainly a runner, at first I could just about jog (10min/mile) without going over, I'm down to 8min/mile now at the same HR. I've never improved so much after years of trying sprint intervals and tempo work.

Plus it's amazing to be able to go out for a 15 mile run and still feel like running later on in the day. Never felt so good.

[i]Eh?[/i]

Sorry, sworn to secrecy...for now.
😉

Spill the beans or I might as well killfile you again.

Rule #74
// V Meters or small computers only.

Forgo the data and ride on feel; little compares to the pleasure of riding as hard as your mind will allow. If you are not a Pro or aspire to be one, then you don’t need a SRM or PowerTap. To paraphrase BSNYC, an amateur cyclist using a power meter is like hiring an accountant to tell you how poor you are. As for Garmins, how often do you get lost on a ride? They are bulky, ugly and superflous. Cycle computers should be simple, small and mounted on the stem. And preferably wireless.

However I do use a Garmin, but that's for speed/distance/hr info. And that stuff doesn't dictate my training at all really, it's just for the nerd in me when I get back home to look at graphs.

Rests are good, taking 1 or 2 days out (or even more) sometimes is great. Allows you to fix and clean all your bikes, and come back next time feeling proper strong.

*scrambles to get pitchfork*

[i]Spill the beans or I might as well killfile you again.[/i]

Well I never.

I never considered that people might killfile little ole me.

That might explain a few things then.

Anyway, allow me to land the first blow..

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And you can't hit me, I'm desk chefing as we type.

Hhhmmm.

Again, I have out edit ninja'd TSY.

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well there you go, looks like a training plan

Are you being sarcastic because the training plan doens't contain numbers and figures and reps and rests?

Has Solo said what he's going on about yet?

Are you being sarcastic because the training plan doens't contain numbers and figures and reps and rests?

no.

Solo: I'm currently mid way through Krabbe's "The Rider" on an extended chain of rest days - no need for old fashioned "physical" training, this is building up the neural pathways nicely.

I often wonder how far you have to have reached in cycling to warrant a powermeter?
TSY surely you know if you need to incorporate rest into your training. if you're working hard and you never feel fatigued then you surely don't need rest.
Personally I just know I have to be faster than the other racers, so how good my stats are becomes irrelevant. Having a lower resting rate or putting out more power means nowt if I still can't keep up.
Just dumped all the technology and chase 1st cats.
Technical huh!

I often wonder how far you have to have reached in cycling to warrant a powermeter?

I don't think that matters. For example, if you want to go on a base training ride, and you know where your base power is you can ride all the time at that power. That means on a three hour ride you get three hours of base training. Otherwise you'll be in and out of the zone so you might only be in it for 1.5 hours. You could double your efficacy which helps you train regardless of how fast you are.

Also, if you know what your threshold power is, you'll be able to ride at it for 30 mins or your intervals or whatever. That power will feel like nothing at all in the first few minutes, and like murder in the last few. If you don't ride with a meter you'll almost certainly go off above threshold and come in well below it even if it FEELS like constant exertion.

If you are rubbish and you train without, you'll still improve. I just reckon you might improve faster if you use power.

It can also help with pushing yourself - I think this is where I benefit from it the most. Each time I wanted to increase my 'score' so I'd push slightly harder. I'd gain a few watts each time but not blow the session by going too hard.

1 day a week is a rest day, last full week of the month is an easy week.

Nearly the whole second half of last year became an easy period, after I got sick of training. But my fitness did suffer. I pushed myself too hard for the first 6 months and the elastic snapped.

This year I intend to be a bit more scientific about it, and make sure I have easy days and weeks as well as hard days and weeks. Which is where a HRM becomes worthwhile, I find it easy to know how hard I can push myself for a period of time, but knowing how to reign in the effort on easy days is much harder.

I would like to try a power meter out of curiosity, shame the Garmin ones are going to be so expensive, I think they have priced them into the existing power meter market rather than being competitive, means they are well beyond my budget for my level of performance. I love geeky data, but that would pay for 2 or 3 weeks cycling in the sun.

Is a proper night's sleep as important as a rest day? I've read various things (maybe bro science) which say as long as you're getting enough sleep then resting while awake isn't as important.

We need to set up a fitocracy group to [s]feel inadequate compared the proper gym/bike bunnies[/s] encourage each other

I've been doing the Maffetone method since Xmas. Involves no HR work over 180-AGE, meaning I've got to stay below 150. I'm mainly a runner, at first I could just about jog (10min/mile) without going over, I'm down to 8min/mile now at the same HR. I've never improved so much after years of trying sprint intervals and tempo work

Cool! Glad to hear it works!
I tried it but lacked the will-power. They'd be a hill, or someone would run past that I'd have to catch up, or they'll be a women walking in the opposite direction that I'd have to demonstrate my awesomeness to, or 101 other excuses 🙂
I think basically I didn't find it enjoyable, but can live happily with the consequences of that 🙂

[i]Solo: I'm currently mid way through Krabbe's "The Rider" on an extended chain of rest days - no need for old fashioned "physical" training, this is building up the neural pathways nicely. [/i]

Yeap, I caught it on a [i]what book[/i] thread on here.
Finallly got round to buying it and reading it.

I'm forcing myself to rest as my life is far too hectic to the point that BP was dangerously high last week.

So sitting down, resting and reading is, I hope, good for me at the moment.

molgrips reading that just makes me realise how dated I am. For instance I'd never do a base training ride, to me base is everything except the racing and speed work. I.e base is like Sundays ride 100km in the snow 3 hours 30 minutes on two slices of toast and a cuppa tea, with a single bottle of SIS for the ride and be comfortable all day.

I can't train every day so rest isn't an issue, but I do account for hard days. And I also rest and eat well the same day after a hard one.

What are you and TSY training for?

The problem with power meters is a philosophical one; they only measure things. They don't change who you are or what you are capable of.

In racing terms they actually do nothing; no prizes for longest at threshold, no prizes for highest watts, you win or you don't, simple as.

There is also the idea that concentrating on the numbers means you neglect the basic skills associated with racing, the positioning, the shall-I-follow-this-move, the mind games, the ability to screw people over, the knowledge and bollocks required to sprint...

There is so much more to racing than the numbers you produce...

"There is so much more to [s]racing[/s] [b]life[/b] than the numbers you produce..."

I've got most of my fitness through base training (well 75%HRM).

I always tell myself I'd have been even more awesome if I'd done the high intensity stuff properly too...

You're not dated oldgit, and I would put money on you out performing any number of power metered younger riders. They (PMs) don't teach you how to suffer, how to grit your teeth, how to get back on when you get dropped, how to fake doing turns, how to cope with the wet, with the cold, with the wind. It's like the rev counter in a car; you don't win, or learn, from watching the numbers change.

[i]how to cope with the wet, with the cold, with the wind. [/i]

Ah, bitter sweet memories.

Living in Norfolk, the wind gets a good long run-up at you.
Pushing against that for an hour or two and you know about that inner demon who mocks you for continuing and asks you why you don't just turn round to be blown home.
Argh !, the wind.

Oh, how I hate it when it hurts.
But how I love it when I recall.

Worst recently was the frozen forehead.
Goodness did that hurt.
Is frozen forehead the worst ?.
It felt like it at the time.
No other part of my body was complaining anywhere near as loudly.

You learn more about yourself from racing and failing miserably than from any kind of electronic equipment.

They (PMs) don't teach you how to suffer, how to grit your teeth, how to get back on when you get dropped, how to fake doing turns, how to cope with the wet, with the cold, with the wind. It's like the rev counter in a car; you don't win, or learn, from watching the numbers change.

It's not an either/or situation though. You can do both. I know great riders who don't use any kind of electronics, and I know those who do. All of them know how to suffer.