Just for balance, I’m hoping for an initial no deal tbh, it’s the only option that allows everyone a bit of win.
Time for real change👍
I’m failing to see how anyone “wins” in a no deal scenario
Only if the know it alls didn’t inform the shit for brains….
You really haven't thought that through have you.
@exsee - the problem is that the "know it alls" (the current government) have been shown to be ignorant (possibly willfully) of the consequences - the usual response is "things will be better" but when pressed on this they are unable to provide any evidence or even basic analysis to back it up.
The people I know who voted leave, including family members, didn't vote for economic meltdown.
No problem with change and as the saying goes "you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" unfortunately those tasked with making the omelette don't even know where the kitchen is and have never made an omelette before.
You really haven’t thought that through have you.
Likely, as I'm easily baffled. TBH I was struggling with some of the concepts in:
Just for balance, I’m hoping for an initial no deal tbh, it’s the only option that allows everyone a bit of win.
Time for real change👍
Just for balance, I’m hoping for an initial no deal tbh, it’s the only option that allows everyone a bit of win.
Just think of the sense of triumph and euphoria when after queuing for 4 hours in the rain on a frigid February morning you return home to your expectant family holding aloft a cabbage.
"self-induced anger"
Ah, get in the bin. Someone shits on your head, it's not self induced when you get angry about it.
What If you keep your head in the sand and someone shits on your head, I say self induced👍
Don't feed the troll, finding it hard to stick to this.
Once again the Bexiteers convince you with their well thought through and convincing reasoning
Isn't the standard answer "You lost! get over it!"
akira, treat it the same as chewkw.
Chances of a run on the pound on Monday if no deal? I suppose I better order a new cassette today before the pound collapses.
Oh christ! The sixth formers all here to derail another thread
Do you think we might possibly keep this one on topic instead of another spirit-crushingly tedious Jeremy Corbyn/socialist thwap-fest?
TBH I expected that response, colour me shocked.
I only brought him up to illustrate a point. You had a similar tantrum after the election, toys flying everywhere accusing everyone of all sorts. But you absolutely refused and still do to acknowledge your role in running down the opposition every single day and then having the cheek/stupidity to moan when the tories got back in. I get the feeling you just like to moan and have nothing intelligent to say on the matter. You're the guy at work that continually finds problems but can't possibly put the same energy into finding a solution or recognising there may be a pragmatic response that may not be exactly what you want but leaves you in a better position.
I couldn't care less which way you vote or where you lie politically but stop running the folk down that are trying to or can do something about it then making an arse of yourself when it all goes pear shaped.
Again... can we keep it on topic please?
I know there's nothing you love more than talking about me, but the rest of us are bored with it.
Keep it for the common room
Frankconway, I know, just hard not to bite in the face of such idiocy. Right, off to poop in a box and post it to number ten.
Chances of a run on the pound on Monday if no deal? I suppose I better order a new cassette today before the pound collapses.
New cassette and a couple of chains just ordered.
I don't need them right now, but it won't be long.
Just being prepared, innit?
Does someone else maybe need them more urgently right now? Maybe, but I got there first. If they really need them and I can last a bit longer, then I might part with them for a +100% mark up.
The market will decide. It's what the Brexies would want.
And an extra order of contact lenses. Again, do I need them right now? Not strictly, but I will need some soon and I don't want to chance it. No lenses = no riding and I don't want that.
Now scale this up to an entire country.
😁 Binners wants reasoned debate 😁 very good, very good indeed.
I always try not to feed him Akira but the mods allow him to trash threads with constant drivel for some reason.
I think an initial no deal will allow a reset for everyone. Then the rebuild can start.
An initial no deal will -
allow the Labour party out of their awkward position.
Reduce pollution
Improve diets
Simplify lives
Wake up the know-it-alls
Remove the bogeyman from under the bed
Reshape our economy
Reshape our politics
We need the no deal spark to set things in motion. Time for real change👍
Consensus on the pound is ‘wait and see’ at the moment while we have a Shroedingers brexit.
When the box gets cracked it’s going to get volatile over the next few weeks and could easily head 3-5% or more in a session if there is a definitive result one way or the other.
I stopped moving money out of the U.K. last week when the Johnson meeting with vdL was planned but before it happened. I’ll start again when the eventual deal gets agreed.
Next stop is either a deal and the pound will be up a decent amount or a definitive ‘No Deal’ and it’s ****ed. Next after that will be an actual deal to allow planes to fly and trucks to drive, Ireland border etc. (Because there is no such thing as a no deal)
I’m not against a short sharp shock of a no deal on Jan 1st. The spivs will make money from it of course but it’s probably the quickest way to an actual deal.
Britain still hasn’t worked out that Europeans will just be selling within Europe instead if U.K. cuts themselves off. ‘No deal’ means ration books but maybe they’ll be blue too to keep the swivel eyes happy.
Improve diets
Simplify lives
On behalf of everyone already balancing eating with heating costs this winter… screw you.
the quickest way to an actual deal.
Quickest being when exactly though? Boris keeps quoting "the Australian Deal" but thats actually still in negotiation 2.5 years after it started. That puts us in the "ration book" scenario until at least 2023 using your example.
Herein lies the issue, unemployment, chaos and being extorted by EU countries for supplies appears to be the only current future from Monday unless a rabbit is pulled from Macron's hat.
On behalf of everyone already balancing eating with heating costs this winter… screw you.
+1
There are some that won't survive a 'short sharp shock' and the fact it is still just about avoidable makes that unforgivable
There are many many more that will suffer from the long term oppression of the current system. More of the same isn't very appealing to us low wage types👍
That's a powerful vision you got there. I've take the liberty of fine tuning it a little (but still using all your ideas and words):
Reduce lives
Remove the Labour party know-it-alls from under the bogeyman
Simplify the diets
Wake up the awkward Reshape out of their economy position
allow our pollution
Improve our Reshape bed politics
Still struggling with your 'shit for brains' analogy I see baron😨 just think it through, you'll work it out👍
Still struggling with your ‘shit for brains’ analogy I see baron😨 just think it through, you’ll work it out👍
An analogy, you say...
Well there you go, I thought it was an "explanation".
Britons still have to show passports when travelling to Europe – “free movement” is not there for us anyway.
Umm, free movement doesn't mean passport free travel. It's free movement of labour which means you can move from one EU country to another and you have the right to work there. We no longer have that right - now, only the fortunate will be able to move to an EU country. And that permission will be tied to a job and goes away if youose your job, which makes it difficult to move your family because you might all have to move back after you've made your home.
Adding to the ‘ration book’ theory, someone just pointed out what would happen about 30 seconds after the Royal Navy’s first incident with a French trawler.
The entire French fishing fleet would immediately blockade Calais ensuring that absolutely nothing would leave the continent for Dover.
I’m sure Boris will have factored that in before he started lobbing ‘gunboat’ threats around
😁
More importantly, have you worked it out yet? (By the way there's a typo up there, tee hee. 1 point meeee)
The EU aren't going to allow members to be breaking the law.
Which is exactly what our government threatened to do.
The gunboat thing is weird on two fronts. The first is that we already have fisheries protection, it's one of the things the Navy just always does. (though, the tories cut the service by 25%).
But the other, is that France alone has a navy pretty much exactly equal to ours. Just the French. So the sound of UK sabre rattling would be drowned out pretty quick. Just another humiliation for the UK
Though of course it's all just a sop to the little britain/english exceptionalism crew who like this sort of stupid headline bullshit, that doesn't make it any less feeble. Meanwhile, we are completely dependent on France for our energy future, because of bloody stupid Tory policies over the last several government.
So we end up with a large number of unused French fishing boats, increasingly desperate fishermen and a large number of immigrants after a one way trip to UK. I wonder what will happen next?
Britons still have to show passports when travelling to Europe – “free movement” is not there for us anyway.
However now:
- I can't just go and work in another country, as I could before.
- my kids now can't swap a year at uni or indeed study for free, anywhere in Europe at college or uni, as they could before.
- I can't go on my extended bike tour, as I'm only allowed 90 days in Europe, unless I exit Schengen for 90 days, whereas before I could go for as long as I wanted.
- when I do travel, I'm now in a bigger queue and subject to more intrusive initial screening, what's whereas before I didn't.
- I now need different driving cards/licence/insurance than before when I do travel, whereas before I didn't.
(and more)
Freedom of movement is not just about your holiday. The restrictions are about to really impact my company and our European projects improving education in the UK, my children one of whom had thought about studying abroad and my planned retirement cycling around Europe.
I'm happy to go some more facts to your sunlit uplands vision if you like.
This 'gunboat' red meat trigger word is beyond pathetic, just like when Fatboy dropped the 'blockade' word. I wonder how many express/mail writers and readers had a raging hard on when they wrote/read those headline
Edit: just read that 'creative economic destruction' Jesus christ
Aaron Banks will get his.
He will never be 100% happy even with his millions because he'll always be looking over his shoulder.
Baron, if the know-it-alls erm.. know it all, how did they get it sooooo wrong? I think they might have misjudged things a little, don't you?
They will never admit any responsibility as you will see on these threads, just blame the little people for their perceived lack of education, understanding and trust in the know-it-alls system
Northwind, that doesn't make any sense at all, it's not my gunboat verses yours in the unclaimed sea. Just think of it in terms of traffic cops patrolling the roads. The EU won't allow members to steal from UK just because we don't currently have a deal.
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Those 50 odd STWers who said they’d vote out, only two have posted to say they’ve changed their minds.
I hope you checked my reasoning amongst the 50.
There are many many more that will suffer from the long term oppression of the current system. More of the same isn’t very appealing to us low wage types👍
If you've read any of my posts about why many of the lower paid voted for brexit you'll know I have some empathy and understanding for that. But if you think the people who dreamt up brexit have any interest in helping you impove your income then you're deluded. All it will do is create more lower paid, and further protect the wealth and power of those at the top. The only possible way that brexit will have any benefit for those at the bottom is if things get so bad that the tories lose their support and labour win the next election, and that is extremely unlikely.
They will never admit any responsibility as you will see on these threads, just blame the little people for their perceived lack of education, understanding and trust in the know-it-alls system
When attempted interaction inevitably ends in thick as shit threats of violence what would you suggest?
Unleash energy? I don't think companies will have energy to spare after dealing with all the new red tape.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468
anyone surprised about a substantial funding cut?
Unleash energy? I don’t think companies will have energy to spare after dealing with all the new red tape.
Proper companies that make stuff or sell stuff or do stuff? No chance.
Little groups of spivs making a killing from rigged trades and vulnerable parts of public services? Lovely jubbly, we're in the money etc. Then they'll offshore the lot and leave some other poor sod to pick up the pieces.
If one of them should meet a sticky end at the hands of a destitute former employed person, I think I'd be struggling to find much sympathy.
Nice to see the idea of disaster socialism is alive. Sadly it never works out very well, see North Korea, Cambodia, Russia, etc etc.
Those at the bottom will remain at the bottom, the elite might change but that's about it.
