anyone surprised about a substantial funding cut?
Cornwall voted 56% for Leave, so they certainly shouldn't be surprised themselves. 🤷♂️
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Good point about the French fleet who have previous with blockades that I’d forgotten about.
That the leadership here is talking about the 200 mile zone around Britain that includes half of the coastlines of our European friends I’d think it almost an inevitability that it’s going to kick off right away.
Note, it’s only a siege if you’re inside the moat and “we’re not going to sell you our last rotten turnip” isn’t a threat.
Thinking back to the last person I argued about Brexit with in 2016 his argument was that because it was impossible to leave was the exact reason we should.
I still wonder why Britain didn’t enforce the freedom of movement laws to the letter rather than pretending our hands were tied. The UK had amongst the most lax settlement rules of any EU state (because we needed the help) but could easily and unilaterally tightened them to the letter of the law.
You're here to speak for yourself, Eddiebaby. You've already explained yourself and I've not cited you, but if you wish reiterate go ahead. I chose a contribution by someone whose stated reasons for wanting out have been matched by events, and it was the first on the thread.
I'm far from happy with Brexit, I've argued against for as long as it's been a subject. But I don't accept as someone claimed that no-one wanted the Brexit we are living through. Some people stated they wanted what is being delivered and 38% of people polled are still happy to have voted leave.
I've viewed the whole sorry affair through European eyes with European media sources and European friends to chat with. The only person I've had a real-life heated discussion with was a British woman on St James'Way in Spain, a Labour voting Brexit apologist must-respect-the-vote etc.. People here are lucid and well-informed, there's not much to argue about, we all know the score.
So I've seen the reactions to "have cake and eat it" and no the milk maid isn't about to bend over for Britain. There were some people here who were gleeful at the British departure from the outset, a minority, ironically with RN sympathies. Slowly the arrogance and provocation of British politicians has changed disappointment and a sense of loss into good riddance to bad rubbish - and the European heads of state have gone from trying to convince their populations a deal is in their interests to defending their populations from a deal that could endanger European interests and values.
Not surprised at all mrmo, I believe Cornwall (as a recon) was very pro Brexit?
Just another county sold a total crock of sh*t and unfortunately going to find out the lie the hard way.😟
Just another county sold a total crock of sh*t and unfortunately going to find out the lie the hard way.
There's not much else left to do than shrug your shoulders.
"We knew what we were voting for".
"No, you ****ing didn't".
I'd still like you to address my points over free travel.
I too don't disagree that many voted for this, and some still think that it's a Good Thing.
I'm intrigued and want to know why people think this - and how it might impact them (positive and negative).
I disagree, but I'm not dismissive or disparaging.
I do want to hear reasoned thoughts though, not name calling or unsubstantiated declarations.
Show me the one person out of the 17 million that voted for the country to be on its 4th prime minister by the time the ration books got issued in 2021. Anyone who claims this is what they voted for hasn’t done a lot of critical thinking about what they wanted or what is and will happen.
Some people are still convinced its worth it but that’s an entirely different thing - and that number reduces every day.
It’s not inevitable that we still **** everything up.
All the MPs keep voting for idiocy because the idiots keep shouting about how they’ll string them up if they don’t. It’s beyond time for them to be let known that the majority of people now expect them, and will reward them, for being sensible from now for a while.
They really are running rings around the UK Gov team – they can put in place small targeted measures to ease the impact of no trade deal arrangements on 1 January in their own territory. These are just two I have seen spoken about publically – I haven’t got around to reading the EU mitigation plan yet (nest week)
From Day One the EU has been on the front foot because WTO isn't that great a threat as they're mainly selling us goods whereas we're selling them services.
What a load of bollocks. We’ve never worked out anything to do with democracy. The only thing that has happened throughout history is that the rich and powerful have successfully held on to control of economy and the legislature to protect their interests. Every now and again they come under pressure and are forced to listen to the rabble, and brexit is one of those moments. The problem is not extremes of public opinion, it’s that the public aren’t listened to and don’t have any real power.
After WW1 they still kept control and the poor/ordinary still had a hard life. After WW2 they had to give us more. They're getting this back.
When Brexit is unfortunately done, life may not be as we want it for some time, but there are plenty of other independent countries in this world that manage perfectly well. We will too, eventually.
Scottish Independence!
“creative economic destruction”
It's just a process, and Brexit is happens to be the vehicle. They tried Thatcherism, but it didn't take enough from ordinary folk. Austerity worked 'better', but Brexit is working a treat.
Well I had the strangest Brexit conversation with a colleague today.
I am not sure where he was born but he moved to France when he was young and was schooled there and moved to Germany to go to college. He then came to England to study at university and has lived here ever since.
I was very surprised when he told me he voted for Brexit. The reason he gave me was because the HQ is in Belgium and Belgians are pedophiles. I absolutely kid you not. He then went on to say that if the HQ had been elsewhere he would have voted to remain.
That’s still top 3 of the most lucid arguments for Brexit.
Matt, you weren't replying to me as far as I'm aware?
Danny, the know-it-alls need to take a step back and take some responsibility for the system, education takes decades, you can't just point out the facts and expect people to accept and trust with no foundations, the know-it-alls have become well behaved Thatcher children,climbing the ladder as fast as they can while watching others suffer, crying crocodile tears for a fairer society, they know we need real change but they are too busy and too comfortable to really give a shit.. until it looks like they might lose something themselves obvs.
An initial no deal will wake a few up, we need the know-it-alls engaging in society again, fighting for fairness with their big brains👍
I haven’t had a straight answer what 1 and 2 are yet but there must be something
He then went on to say that if the HQ had been elsewhere he would have voted to remain.
Imagine if the HQ had been in the UK… this wouldn’t be happening, would it. It is the mis-“reporting” by a one A Johnson, under his “Boris” pen name, of “us” being “told what to do by Brussels” that got us to where we are now, and him to where he is now.
I haven’t had a straight answer what 1 and 2 are yet but there must be something
Iirc from the other thread, someone's gran was in hospital and a Nigerian nusre was rude to them. Was that one of them?
Exsee says know it alls, by which I thought he meant remainers who've warned of this happening all the way through, but then he seems to have them mixed up with the disaster capitalists who are going to rinse the country for millions then vanish.
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After WW1 they still kept control and the poor/ordinary still had a hard life. After WW2 they had to give us more. They’re getting this back.
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Danny, the know-it-alls need to take a step back and take some responsibility
So do the idiots. Don't know what you're voting for? Easy. Stay at home, don't vote.
This country is full of imbeciles who think that just being born entitles them to their fifteen minutes of fame and no criticism whatsoever. Well, wake up snowflakes. You are going to have the consequences of this stupidity thrown in your faces every single day until someone with a grown up perspective saves you from yourselves and goes back to Brussels on bended knee to beg to be readmitted to the EU as a junior member. You won, get over it.
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Full MemberNot surprised at all mrmo, I believe Cornwall (as a recon) was very pro Brexit?
Nah, 56%. But if 52% is enough to screw a whole country then I suppose 56% is enough to turn an entire county into a smoking crater.
The really ridiculous thing is, people seemed to believe it when the government announced the fund to replace EU money, and cheerfully made their applications thinking they'd get what they were promised. But while EU funding is usually claimed to have been about 2 billion euros, that's from the last budget setting in 2014. Funding was anticipated to reach 4bn euros this year, partly because some left-behind areas were getting poorer and therefore qualifying for more funds, while Rishi Sunak has declared the Shared Prosperity Fund will be £1.5bn, which by any definition is less than the 2 billion euros (and at today's exchange rates, is about 1/6th less)
But not next year, next year there's literally only £220m for the entire country, to "help prepare". And councils and regions are to use that £220m to do pilot schemes and plan for the delivery of the, er, possibly £1.5bn, maybe, we don't actually know how much it will be or how much each region will get but they're to prepare for it. And it looks like it might arrive in 2022 but we don't really know that either but they're to prepare for that too. And of course it won't be backdated for the lost 2 years. And while some funding continues for a fairly long time, there are services, charities, etc that will run out of money in January. Not sure how the £220m helps them prepare for that.
So yeah, you're getting less than the EU gave you. The closest thing to any pretence about that inevitable fact, is just that they've put off announcing anything of substance til it really ought to have already been complete and fully funded and handing out cash, so that you know perfectly well that everyone's going to get the shaft but you can still hope you might not be the worst.
That the leadership here is talking about the 200 mile zone around Britain that includes half of the coastlines of our European friends I’d think it almost an inevitability that it’s going to kick off right away.
It’s only 200 miles where there’s 400 miles or more between two countries, and the navy will know that even if the Dickhead-in-Chief doesn’t.
So it looks like the strategy is No Deal, then try to play the 'we got you the vaccine first card'.
But here's the rub. After securing the vaccine in principle, they're going to **** up the distribution and delivery because they are inept and they're going to tender out a lot of the logistics to their corner-cutting, bullshitting mates.
I'll wager that the vaccine will not have been given to >50% of the population in the UK earlier than the European average.
This lot are so useless they are bound to **** up their golden ticket.
Again… can we keep it on topic please?
I know there’s nothing you love more than talking about me, but the rest of us are bored with it.
Keep it for the common room
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You're such a ****ing hypocrite.
Gave me a laugh though.
My Irish mates are in stitches about this. At least they had the IRA to get rid of this imbred shower of shite we call the English ruling class.
Exactly, the only weapons we have are social media know-it-alls, dyswidt😁👊
I read today that the twice daily cargo ship from Dublin to Cherbourg will move to 4 times a day. Maybe a very long tunnel might help.
On behalf of everyone already balancing eating with heating costs this winter… screw you.
100%.
That is to every nasty little xenophobe who voted for this crap.
anyone surprised about a substantial funding cut?
Nope. I'm just waiting for most of Wales to realise that we are going to be dealt the same stinky sandwich now that the EU funds are gone. Just one infrastructure project currently ongoing, the Heads Of The Valleys improvements, will swallow up the whole WAG budget for the next 10-15 years and that was previously from the EU pot that built loads of lovely motorways all over Spain. There will genuinely be nothing left for the whole country unless Westminster matches the lost EU funding and more for the next 20 years. The people cannot claim ignorance on who was building it either, there are signs at almost every junction stating: "EU funds: Investing In Wales".
It will be painful for decades to come.
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Full MemberThere will genuinely be nothing left for the whole country unless Westminster matches the lost EU funding and more for the next 20 years.
Spoiler: They won't.
But here’s the rub. After securing the vaccine in principle, they’re going to **** up the distribution and delivery because they are inept and they’re going to tender out a lot of the logistics to their corner-cutting, bullshitting mates.
You're just making that up.
At this point, yes. But nobody's going to be at all surprised if it happens. After all Track and Trace was, up til now, the absolute most important non-healthcare part of the covid response and they contracted that out at huge cost to a company that just didn't do the job.
You’re just making that up.
Yes.
But do look at the UK government track record.
And strangely, I can imagine this pretty much word for word.
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/boris-johnson-to-remember-its-brexit-deadline-day-at-about-4pm-20201211203433
Matches the reports of his general crassness and stupidity at the dinner with Ursula von der Leyen earlier in the week.
Given that gps have refused to distribute the vaccine due to the impossible contract conditions imposed on them it's already happening
@reluctantjumper - it’s worse than that. My understanding is that WG are currently arguing with Westminster about who should administer any funding. Currently EU funding decisions are devolved; Westmonster now want to take control of that process. I assume so they can divert funds to their mates not the places that need it.
I'm feeling really angry today, going to spend a few weeks venting I think.
Apathy from the know-it-alls over the last few decades has got us here, it's unforgivable really. Sharp shock needed to wake a few up. Time for real change👍
Given that gps have refused to distribute the vaccine due to the impossible contract conditions imposed on them it’s already happening
Didn't know that but not surprised. Can you elaborate?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/11/gp-practices-england-opt-out-covid-vaccine-rollout
Basically the terms of the contract are such that its impossible to fulfill without breaching the main GP contract. Deliberately set up to fail so that they then can blame GPs for failure
Sharp shock needed to wake a few up.
@exsee, I've found it very hard to decipher your posts but the argument seems to be the same as Arron Banks, but for some utterly inexplicable reason, you think that the poor and disadvantaged will be the ones to benefit from 'creative destruction'. Or maybe, you are one of the very large proportion of brexiters who don't care that they will be badly hurt by brexit, as long as some of the people more fortunate than them are hurt too - destructive destruction is what they want, and the more destructive the better.
Yeah I'm speculating, but do you honestly think I'm going to be proven wrong? They'll try to blame everyone else, again, but they'll **** it up.
Hope you get what you wish for (if only you knew what that meant).
Slightly trolling thumbs up incoming...
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And anyway, I'd like real radical change too. I'd like to see a requirement to sit an IQ test prior to be given a vote. We wouldn't be in this mess if we did.
Radical change - mine is just as valid as yours.
Put me in charge - that would be real radical change!
I see the Daily Heil, displaying its usual level of cultural sensitivity, has gone into full fascist mode to blame ‘Zee Germans’ for all this, presumably after their car makers didn’t ride to the rescue after all?
Meanwhile, back in the real world:
https://twitter.com/andrew_adonis/status/1338012307021033472?s=21
The people cannot claim ignorance on who was building it either, there are signs at almost every junction stating: “EU funds: Investing In Wales”.
Signs can be disappeared even more easily than the truth about bendy bananas. And anyway, this isn’t 1996 or even 2016. It’s nearly 2021. Everything has changed. Memories are short and easily polluted.
You’re just making that up.
Considering we have the most expensive test & trace system in Europe, and they're Still not even close to contacting enough people to make it work (only got 65% last week! )
You'd have to be desperately naive to think they won't screw up vaccine delivery somehow
We don't have anywhere near enough of the more effective Pfizer one, but the government's PR machine has already given people false hope on that one
the Heads Of The Valleys improvements, will swallow up the whole WAG budget for the next 10-15 years and that was previously from the EU pot that built loads of lovely motorways all over Spain.
I’m arms-length involved in that project, don’t be surprised if it falls to the wayside as it’s taken 4 months to progress from a potential contact award to the civil engineering companies involved, to not much further. I reckon a no deal will see it postponed then cancelled.
We don’t have anywhere near enough of the more effective Pfizer one, but the government’s PR machine has already given people false hope on that one
This government doesn't have a PR machine. It works out what lies will get them through the next 24 hours. That's it.
