For amusement the government website still doesn’t know how it if the electricity interconnectors will work/trade.
It's going to be straight back to the 70s in January, then. Power cuts, the UK as the 'sick man of Europe'...I wonder if flares and not washing will come back in?
The Boris Bullshit Bus has reached the end of the road
Indeed.
@alexsimon, important point, a large company such as wish will register with HMRC, many small companies won't, they'll just blacklist any order from the UK as too much hassle.
It seems that with every hour that passes someone shovels another great lump onto the steaming pile of shit that Brexit is.
And they are the known-knowns
What we can guarantee is that there are a million and one known-unknowns and unknown-unknowns all lurking out there ready to bite us firmly on the arse
And still sat there grinning like chimps are the Brexiteer morons that presently masquerade as our government. These clowns are so far out of their depth they will not have the first clue how to cope when this shitstorm becomes a reality on the 1st of January.
I still think that as the economy goes into freefall Boris will stick around for about as long as Dave did after the referendum result was delivered. Very Churchilian.
Best wishes,
The UK Wish team.
Is that the official title of our negotiators?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry
many small companies won’t, they’ll just blacklist any order from the UK as too much hassle.
Yep. When they work out that their admin team is spending 50% of their time on the 5% of orders they get from that awkward little backwater it is an easy decision to make.
Also smaller companies increase the likelihood of Hans from logistics walking into Jens the CEO's office and telling him this. They'll just decide there and then over a coffee from out of the machine.
**** Brexit.
This sums it up perfectly. Am Dram producer and inadvertent government minister says we should ignore the management of the countries largest retailer and listen to a former Kipper instead
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1337304791060520960?s=20
What a cock
It's like the Madagascar Penguins.
Smile and wave boys, smile and wave.
I didn’t know that import VAT rules were changing (from outside EU).
We had a whole thread on it. We were all surprised.
Smile and wave boys, smile and wave.
This is a campaigning government, not a governing one. We’re paying the price.
Yep. When they work out that their admin team is spending 50% of their time on the 5% of orders they get from that awkward little backwater it is an easy decision to make.
Well (just to try and look at this a little less darkly), they'll probably look to use more fulfilment centres (basically Amazon) so that the logistical side will be taken care of. They wont get as much business, but it wont be too difficult.
Obviously any decent selling software will do the hard work for them, so fingers crossed.
The main problem is that there'll be very little time to get this sort of thing in place in time for Jan 1st, so it will be very painful at first.
All those trolling motorway signs and gov.uk banners saying "prepare for everything to change on 1st Jan" are just pissing me off because when you go to look at what's going to change, there's no info - which was why this Wish email was so surprising - they seem to know that it's a certainty (probably because it isn't effected by the EU deal) that the £15 VAT threshold is being removed - it's the first real concrete info I've seen!
We had a whole thread on it. We were all surprised.
oops - I'll go looking
oops – I’ll go looking
Don't bother, I tried, but the forum search function is "a bit" weak. The key information is...
Ive said it before & I'll say it again, the amount of anger over this is going to end up in the streets - I've never felt the an underlying anger in the country like I do at the moment.
Our Government have completely & utterly failed the nation.
Our Government have completely & utterly failed the nation.
Screwed the nation. The notion that this government would ever do right by the nation seems optimistic at best. Failure is what happens when you try and don't achieve it. What we have here is not even bothering to try.
@PrinceJohn - I agree, but i'm not sure it will be directed at the government.
Screwed the nation. The notion that this government would ever do right by the nation seems optimistic at best. Failure is what happens when you try and don’t achieve it. What we have here is not even bothering to try.
👏👏👏
I agree, but i’m not sure it will be directed at the government.
Well, that's the danger of stirring up racism, xenophobia and general petty nastiness to get what you want. Not an easy genie to put back in the bottle.
Some of them won't give a shit, some of them will have convinced themselves they are genius enough to use the genie then pop him neatly back in, cork and all.
Brexit exposed a nasty undercurrent that I genuinely thought had been beaten into insignificance back in the early to mid 90s. Restricted to the odd group of footy ultras and surreptitious leather-jacketed meetups in pubs with sympathetic landlords. Turns out not to be the case.
**** Brexit.
I agree, but i’m not sure it will be directed at the government.
I was thinking this.
I can imagine the good people of Sunderland going berserk* and smashing the place up**. ***
* "A Friday night".
** After brexshit, no one outside of Sunderland will either care, or indeed, be able to tell the difference.
*** Jokz, obvz.
Ive said it before & I’ll say it again, the amount of anger over this is going to end up in the streets – I’ve never felt the an underlying anger in the country like I do at the moment.
I don't disagree but the problem is, it'll be too frickin'late. 🙁
This is a
campaigninglying government, not agoverningtruthful one. We’re paying the price.
I have to admit, though, they have succeeded in lowering the bar in their sheer brazenness. Twenty odd years ago Blair shat himself over the Bernie Ecclestone Tobacco sponsorship exception in return for £1m donation. Blatant corruption in the realms of tens and even hundreds of millions just doesn't matter any more.
Just admit to it if you have to, shrug, and carry on. And the populace are too apathetic to care. "They're all at it" etc.
What dannyh said.
Are you unhappy?
Scared of funny foreigners?
Want a free unicorn?
Vote NDSA Leave.
Bye bye welfare state, workers rights, environmental controls, food standards, NHS, etc, etc..,
Here go the first bit of environmental concerns...
https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1337347533081894918?s=19
I can imagine the good people of Sunderland going berserk* and smashing the place up**. **** “A Friday night”.
** After brexshit, no one outside of Sunderland will either care, or indeed, be able to tell the difference.
*** Jokz, obvz.
Causing tens of pounds of damage to the place... 😅
Leveling the North.
^^^^^ wot dannyh said ^^^^^
"Hi, it's Boris, I've just gone all in on a 2 of clubs and a 4 of diamonds. I thought I had it but he's called. I'm not sure daddy can cover this one so I need you to convince your man to fold.
Please help. Please."
https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1337367302291984386
Merkel will have been instructed by the German car industry to ride to the rescue about now
That's right, isn't it? That's the end game?
Yep for sure, because obviously they're worried we're all going to stop buying Mercs and Bimmers because they got 5% more expensive. What with them being in everyones weekly shop and all.
A quick look at 1930's German history will tell you who is going to get the blame for this. The nasty EU/foreigners/anyone with a hint of a suntan.
anyone with a hint of a suntan.
Donald Trump.
hint, not overdose
I struggle to find the words to express the despair that I feel about this. We have somehow ended up with the most incompetent government in history who are ready to throw the country down the toilet for no reason other than to further line the pockets of some plutocrats who probably already have more money than they know what to do with anyway.
I don't get the impression that in spite of the impending economic cataclysm, most of the population have actually cottoned on to how bad it could get. Maybe that's it. Most people are disengaged with/disinterested in politics or current affairs in general and this is where their apathy has brought us. If it's longer than a headline or a few bullet points, they can't be arsed.
If everything goes to shit in a few weeks, as I expect it to, maybe then people will realise how we got here and demand change. Instead I expect that there will be a lot of heads being buried in sand, or blame being levelled at the EU for them not giving us what we want and people will be happy to swallow the lies they are fed once again.
It will all be the fault of the EU and remainers
It will all be the fault of the EU and remainers
And judges (the enemies of the people) and people who refused to get behind it and believe. Most of the economic hit can be blamed on Covid for the next year or so as well.
Still all this moaning from the "UK side" based around one basic flaw in understanding... our vote to Leave the EU does not instruct the EU to do anything, or give us anything, or agree to anything... by leaving the EU we have given away our control over what the EU does... it acts in the interest of its members... as an ex-member... we are just another third country now... complaints from the instigators of Brexit that our "sovereignty" and "democratic will" now ends at our borders, where as before they influenced the whole of Europe, ring hollow. They're all at it this week. A few may be too stupid to have understood this before now, a few may have honestly believed that the EU would "respect the vote" that we made for a "better deal than we have as members"... but most were lying, and now their lies are about to be laid bare before the public, are preparing the ground for "it could all have been so different, if the EU gave us what we promised the UK public"... blame game. They sold us down the river... but they want us to blame the people who told us not to set out down that river, and even as recently as June this year, were still throwing us life saving rings, which we refused point blank to grab onto because... well, I don't know why really. To not extend the transition away from this January, even if you still honestly believe we're on the right path long term, was wilfully accepting manufacturing easily avoidable damage to so many lives. Those responsible for that decision, during an ongoing pandemic, deserve any retribution that may eventually come their way. Any.
Alastair Campbell tells it like it is
https://twitter.com/PackedLunchC4/status/1337377937931309056?s=20
Those responsible for that decision, during an ongoing pandemic, deserve any retribution that may eventually come their way. Any.
Oh, and sadly... Labour, again, didn't challenge that decision not to extend the transition period, despite the pandemic. But perhaps that's a rant for the Kier Starmer thread...
Don't worry, who needs pizza when you can have toast and chips? Thanks, Daily Mail..thanks for all your help over the past few years...
^^
Glad I can still have my regular portion of lobster, I was very worried that might be a casualty of a No Deal.
FFS
In Blyth this morning johnson said...'If we move to WTO rules, that means we can do what we want'
Ignorance and arrogance combined.
No, we won't be able to do what we want; all it takes is for the other country/representative body to say...no, that doesn't work for us.
To re-iterate what I've posted many times before - UK is a faded ex-colonial power with limited and reducing influence in the world.
It shouldn't be difficult for the govt to understand that and recognise that strength comes in numbers; being one in a group of 28 is much stronger than being one standing alone.
It doesn't take a genius to see that the world is continuing to arrange itself into trading blocs but great british common sense and a govt of bovine stupidity have gone in a different direction.
On QT last night robert buckland maintained the ludicrous assertion that '...all we want is a Canada-style deal'; when will a host ask for that to be explained - for the benefit of the viewers/listeners - and then point out the flaws; that deal took c7 years to negotiate, Canada - EU trade volumes are massively lower, level playing field conditions and governance are not relevant in Canada - EU deal.
I am beyond despair with the absolute incompetence of johnson and his govt - and despise the lot of them.
and now their lies are about to be laid bare before the public, are preparing the ground for “it could all have been so different, if the EU gave us what we promised the UK public”… blame game. They sold us down the river… but they want us to blame the people who told us not to set out down that river,
This. I don't quite subscribe to the 'our politicians are all thick as mince*'. I do subscribe to the fact that we as a nation were lied to, and sadly enough either held the belief fervently or were persuaded by the false claims to vote us out. There is a naivety in that - but triggered by a falsehood and lie from many who could afford to ride out or profit from the incoming challenges.
Those responsible for that decision, during an ongoing pandemic, deserve any retribution that may eventually come their way.
This is struggle with how you have phrased. As others have said, I do think this could end in anger and violence shortly. I won't be part of that and would call on us all to not encourage or suggest that revenge is to be enacted.
I would however support the move to hold those in public office or those who use the press / online / public platform to spread lies and falsehoods to account. This would however be through a justice based system with checks and balances, not a posse with pitchforks.
I am reading an echo chamber on here today. We are entering both the unknown and unpredictable over the next few hours and weeks. We are also facing the reality of something that was decided years ago - and I for one feel helpless as things now unfold. We haven't hit the depths of the pit, but we are but weeks and months away. I fear for my family, for our jobs and our neighbours.
I do however feel fortunate to have job, a home and know we will get through this.
And I think the UK will also get through this. I have said before that entrepreneurs will step up, perhaps I will be better connected to my local farmer or factory than I have been before.
But it is time to change UK politics - the thing I actually hold to account over all this.
Is it just me that thinks a no deal Brexit which comes with a heap of tariffs (or taxes) is convenient for a chancellor faced with the cost of Covid? Do they really want a deal and pass up the opportunity to swell the coffers?
Is it just me that thinks a no deal Brexit which comes with a heap of tariffs (or taxes) is convenient for a chancellor faced with the cost of Covid? Do they really want a deal and pass up the opportunity to swell the coffers?
What's the cost of processing all of that? In terms of number of people required to do all the paperwork, the premises to run it from, the cost in terms of delays and the overall losses from companies deciding that they can't afford it or don't want the hassle...
No, Covid is a very convenient place to hide a lot of Brexit's impending economic crash but the idea that tariffs would help bolster the economy sounds to me like something the Pro-Leave camp would put out as a "benefit" of a No Deal.
There are no benefits to Brexit in any form.
In Blyth this morning johnson said…’If we move to WTO rules, that means we can do what we want’
I heard that interview earlier when I thought I'd reached the limits of anger on watching his grinning 'Australia Style' statement yesterday.
I hadn't.
I've never heard such nonchalant, lazy arrogance in my life. It's like he's now decided that no deal it is and he's bored with it all now. It seemed like he could barely be arsed to even answer any questions about what is going to be the greatest financial impact in this countries peacetime history. It all seemed like too much trouble
We are literally being governed by an overgrown toddler. Whatever happens now, you can be sure of one thing. Boris couldn't care less. He's bored with it all now.
He'll be gone in January and when anyone tries to hold him to account for the shambles he created, or for the debacle of the government's handling of covid, he'll wallow in self-pity and play the victim. Nothing is ever his fault. It's everybody else that's to blame. Everybody and anybody but him
The Brexies are systematically destroying this country and need to feel any and all pain that can be sent in their direction - however petty and small.
Don’t give your business to companies that supported Brexit (or owned by folk that did).
Let all the Ineos riders know what you think of their two-faced sponsor.
Remember to do business with remainers whenever you can.
Never trust a Brexy. They will lie and cheat.
There's something fishy 😜 going on here
Why would Johnson have asked the EU to speak to Merkel or Macron?
Soft noises from VDL today
Their dinner date, not as disastrous as the leaks portrayed, Johnson asks for a bit of theatre to help srll the deal & aggrandise himself?
And James Forsyth's piece in today's Times was ridiculous naivety
Even Peston pointed this out
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1337139677523046408?s=19
Smacks of Forsyth's Wife, Alegra Stratton who also happens to be Johnsons press Secretary telling us how impossible it will be, but laying the ground for a great Johnson victory when he snatches a deal at the last moment
Client Journalism from forsyth (& if anyone can recognise that it's Peston)
kimbers - if that is Stratton pulling Forsyth's strings, how much is influenced by her relationship with Symonds?
At times I think there is an element of choreography about this.
Why did johnson propose direct contact with Merkel and Macron when the EU had previously made it explicitly clear that all negotiations are with and through Barnier?
