When all those UK hauliers go tits up, there won't be any delays Kelvin, the only hauliers on the road will be from the EU.
Think they've managed to get EU passport and have quietly left while BoJo was swinging dead cats about and singing the national anthem.
There's another genius on now saying that we don't need to import anything from the EU anyway. We can just make everything here instead.
I mean... where do you even start with these people?
So, a serious question here.
If UK companies like hauliers go bust, who are operating on the continent, then hauliers there are likely to need to expand significantly - but they could struggle to find people. So if the countries are able to offer work permits of some flavour to cover that gap, it is possible that they would offer them to Brits who are now out of work, and we could become the itinerant worker supplier after all.
However they may well not need to since they have the entire EU27 to pull from.
Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
There is already a shortage of drivers in all the northern EU countries... which is why drivers willing to sit in queues for free in order to deliver to the UK will be far and few between... they can just go and work for a haulier avoiding the UK in 2021.
There is a way around it... pay more for drivers... but like all the possible mitigations to this mess... it'll put up the cost/price to UK companies and consumers. Go and talk to a courier... ask them for a guaranteed price for Jan or Feb... you'll hear the laughing between the lines in the reply.
I work for a large UK industrial manufacturing company and we have just had an email from our MD stating all of the measures they have taken to prepare for Jan 1st. A huge list of items including compliance, incoming parts supply, outgoing finished product supply, ensuring employees comply with working regulations etc etc.
It then goes on to state that UK - EU trade will incur tariffs some of which can be offset by some imports, but overall there will be a significant increase in tariffs which the company will absorb for the first part of 2021 before deciding what to do. That doesn't fill me with hope.
When I mentioned this to a Brexit voting colleague he said 'at least we won't have a German Luger pointing to our heads'. I said no, we have just taken it and shot ourselves in the head.
I just don't get their attitude. We might have lowered our living standards and irrecoverably damaged our country but at least we're no longer in a mutually beneficial organisation with Johnny foreigner anymore. Ffs
Back to the negotiators till Sunday according to Eins Extra. Then a decision.
Edit: and perhaps more important the EU is setting out guidance for no deal.
I'm glad we're getting rid of all this bureaucracy by abandoning the Single Market and Customs Union.
Aye, we'll have freedom of movement and trade with, er, Anglesey.
Today's Brexit dimwit, Penny Mordaunt is presently on her feet in parliament and you can tell by the tone of her voice that she's not even convinced by the absolute shite she's presently blathering about an 'Australian Style' outcome being just brilliant.
She has also implied, once again, that somehow the remainers are to blame for this by not being supportive enough. A narrative they've been trying to spin for a couple of weeks now.
What an utter and complete ****ing shambles!
I must say it is disappointing to watch the country that you live in fail before your very eyes.
Got to hand it to the Conservatives though, not only can they get people to vote to make themselves poorer, they also get them to cheer while they do it.
We might have lowered our living standards and irrecoverably damaged our country but at least we’re no longer in a mutually beneficial organisation with Johnny foreigner anymore. Ffs
The only way this will hit home to people is when they realise that the mutually beneficial stuff extends beyond trade.
When they're standing in a 3hr queue at the airport because they can't use the EU biometric passport gates, when they get the phone bill of several hundred pounds of roaming charges cos it's no longer under the EU mobile roaming cap, when the £ is so shafted against the Euro that holidays abroad cost twice what they did before the referendum.
Even then though, I think most people will just blame the EU, that narrative has been well and truly sown now.
She has also implied, once again, that somehow the remainers are to blame for this by not being supportive enough. A narrative they’ve been trying to spin for a couple of weeks now.
Usual Governement tactic, they've been doing the same with Covid-19, blame the people not us.
This has been it for a while hasn't it? Even though current opinion polls suggest if the ref was re-run today Remain would win.
When they’re standing in a 3hr queue at the airport
They won't be doing that for a while, since we'll be banned from Europe as of Jan 1st for Covid reasons.
Welcome to the UK of the future.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/10/argentina-economic-crisis-imf-debt-default
Yeah - not a good time to be a Shorthaul airline pilot 😣
The only difference between the English and a baby having it's candyfloss taken from it is that the baby knows it.
This is what a decade of Tory rule looks like. Vast incompetence, corruption (though it's rebanded the nicer sounded 'chumocracy'), economic disaster and international humiliation.
Brexit/Tories you really are utter ****s. The worst thing is FPTP, the bewildered herd and the Toxic Press will likely see you gain power again and again until you run this country into the ground. Not far too go now.
<rant over>
Like watching your team getting battered and conceding a superb goal: Nicely played by the EU - tying the availability of contingency access plans to the UK conceding on key areas (fishing).
Pick that one out of the back of the net, Boz.
But, but, but we ARE special.
Our empire spanned the globe and we won the war*.
Why won't other countries let us do whatever we want without any downside?
It is just SO unfair.
*Very bravely and correctly stood alone for 15-18 months until the US and USSR got dragged in on our side.
A family run chemical business has just been interviewed on Radio 4. In the event of a no deal Brexit then complying with the EU regulations that they presently do anyway will then cost them an additional £1.5 million
All dead money, totally wasted
Ken Clarke has just been interviewed and reckons Boris will go for no deal because more than anything he fears criticism from the ERG, his opinion is that to do that ‘will take this country back 50 years’
Complete and utter ****ing lunacy!
might start a business that specialises in boarding up shops and buildings.
its going to be boom time with the riots and shops shutting up as they've gone bust.
I still think Johnson wants to proclaim a deal at the last minute
I could be wrong & I'm hopelessly optimistic about stuff, but he just likes to be centre of attention
Kimbers - he can't do that now because the red lines of the ERG and the EU are so incompatible
very really worry that you are wrong Kimbers. I wasnt to agree but they making a lot of noise about sovereignty....they'll use that as the reason for no deal. Sovereignty trumps the jobs and food.
Not sure the EU come into it… we have two red lines… we want to be able to drop new standards, and we don’t want the EU to be able to restrict our access if/when we do. One of those redlines needs to be dropped at our end… there is nothing the EU can do to help us with that. I have no idea if that conundrum has been created to force a no deal situation, or if it is a genuine attempt to obtain the impossible. Either way, it looks like it’s going to be either be no deal, or a Tory revolt.
Reading and listening to multiple reports about this totally avoidable mess catastrophe is just turning me off from posting about it.
A interesting question to johnson and his apologists would be...can you explain how we will benefit ('prosper mightily') from leaving the EU and quantify the benefits you claim we will enjoy?
On a different note, I see kwasi karting has been appointed as 'construction minister' following zahawi's move to become the vaccinator.
If he doesn't change his condescending, patronising attitude he will make no progress with the major construction companies - the very people he will need on his side.
He will be unrelatable and I wonder how long before he is reminded about Brittania Unchained which he co-authored with raab, truss, patel and skidmore (he sank without trace) and in particular this gem from the book...
"Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world"
Justify that one to construction leaders.
Despite the huge majority, the ERG tail is still wagging the Tory dog.
Has any minor sect within a political party ever had such a hugely disproportionate influence on a countries governance?
I wouldn’t mind, but every last one of them is as thick as mince
Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world”
In fairness how many of us should be working now (puts up hand).
The dinner last night was the end of talks on a proper deal, it's too late for that, Brexit is only a minor topic in today's European summit according to Von de Leyen interviewed earlier so the idea of a full deal before 31/12 is history. The talks till Sunday will be about the terms of temporary agreements to keep business moving. There's already the offer of a 6 month transport agreement in exchange for a level playing field.
The problem is that very few people have got to grips with what a total no deal looks like. It's always been assumed that would be a deal of some kind because a total no deal means all those things that people said would never happen happen: no more UK flights, trucks, busses or trains in Europe with what that entails in terms of supply chains.
So between now and Sunday something needs to be concocted that isn't a deal as such but prevents the UK being cut off commercially until a deal can be reached or systems are put in place that means a deal isn't necessary, with a total no deal the problem won't be trucks queueing at ports because most of them won't be allowed to use the ports.
So they'll announce something on Sunday as a deal but it'll be minimalistic and temporary.
I think even that is unlikely Edukator.
Strangely Covid is playing into the governments hands. There would normally be 10s of thousands booked onto flights for ski holidays in Europe but that won't be happening as most of the resorts are shut. Normally there would be full trains, busses and ferries taking people to family but that won't be happening. If there is a time when a no deal can be allowed to happen without very visible and instant consequences it's now.
Even with a complete no deal there would be very little for the media to show us. Trucks in yards, people at home, planes on the ground, empty terminals and ferries - how dull.
@edukator - arrangements for dealing with some of the things you mention can be arranged unilaterally and the EU are doing that (as is the UK I think). Clearly there is scope for co-ordination of such measures, but that also does not require agreement.
I got a leaflet today from my local Conservative candidate telling me that the only thing that matters now is recovering from Covid, and that we can't afford any distractions or uncertainty at all, such as any future scottish independence referendum. Brexit? What's a brexit? Never heard of it.
Also, we all have to work together, while simultanoeously slagging off everything the scottish government does. This ironically is the only thing that the Lib Dems and Labour can agree on- they're all up for working together to help the country, except for with the government or each other
Edukator
Free MemberStrangely Covid is playing into the governments hands. There would normally be 10s of thousands booked onto flights for ski holidays in Europe but that won’t be happening as most of the resorts are shut. Normally there would be full trains, busses and ferries taking people to family but that won’t be happening. If there is a time when a no deal can be allowed to happen without very visible and instant consequences it’s now.
All true but none of it as important as it being their universal excuse for the financial harm.
Strangely Covid is playing into the governments hands.
Only in the very short term, couple of months. COVID will make no-deal Brexit much worse, and the Tories own that.
A clip I saw on twitter, there won't be food shortages, you'll just have to get used to reduced choice and increased prices.
From the member of johnson's govt who didn't know that a huge proportion of UK's food imports arrive through Dover...
Raab acknowledged there could be "some bumps along the road" but said he was "not concerned about either supermarket cupboards running bare or food prices".
He really is a complete cock.
It's ok, we've have one thing that was worth it all.
Middle_oab and his Brexshit win.
he was “not concerned about either supermarket cupboards running bare or food prices”.
Because he already shops somewhere exclusive and the larder is well stocked with game, unlike the plebs who still use kwicksave each week.
He isn't concerned about anything other than feathering his own nest to a level previously unthinkable for a thick prat like him.
Unthinkable until we stepped through the Brexit Looking Glass into a world where being thick/cynical is the prime requirement for a cabinet post.
It is enough to make me really quite cross.
Someone summed it up, up there ^^^ perfectly. It really is very sad to watch the country you live in fall apart around you. What an awful bunch of selfish money grabbing crooked backward looking bag of dicks the people in charge of this country really are. The whole lot of them in aggregate haven't got the intellectual depth to even begin to fathom one single element of the utter shit storm they have created. Lock them up and throw away the key.
I really do worry for future generations of my family and if I could get out now and move somewhere else I would do it in a heartbeat. It is **** ing embarrassing.
Oh,look - Johnson says there's a strong possibility of no deal. Who could have seen that coming?
Boris has just said "a strong possibility" of no a no deal. No S@***@!@!@T Sherlock, you complete lying @££$@!((*&^%. We a truly !@££@%%&***&*^^^^(@@£ ed.
Total ****, no chance of no deal, no deal would be a failure, easiest deal in the world, oven ready deal, holding all the cards, ah no hang on we haven't managed to do a deal. Entirely predictable but still frustrating.
