Is this shit really happening?
Entering other countries
Border control: you may have to show your return ticket and money
At border control, you may need to:show a return or onward ticket
show you have enough money for your stay
use separate lanes from EU, EEA and Swiss citizens when queueing
Visas for short trips: you will not need one if you’re a touristIf you’re a tourist, you will not need a visa for short trips to most EU countries, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland. You’ll be able to stay for up to 90 days in any 180-day period.
Different rules will apply to Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and Romania. If you visit these countries, visits to other EU countries will not count towards the 90-day total.
You may need a visa or permit to stay for longer, to work or study, or for business travel.
https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-january-2021
Are people ****ing stupid or what? It's unreal.
Are people **** stupid or what?
The proportion is about 52% I believe.
"I don't think anyone really knew what they were voting for" - Brexit voter from my family when I told them how it's ****ing my life up in Spain.
Is this shit really happening?
You may need a visa or permit to stay for longer, to work or study, or for business travel.
And, good luck getting a work visa... most countries have an "Europe First" policy, which will mean UK workers will need their prospective employer to give evidence that no worker from within the EU, EEA & other partner European countries could fill the position... by refusing to be involved in FoM post-Brexit, our government has made getting work in the rest of Europe much harder in future, despite the politicians and campaigners now leading us promising that wouldn't be the case back in 2016. The bait and switch lie is complete, and these lying bastards deserve to be removed from office... and they all will be... but only once the damage is irreversible. There is no way to fix this that won't take a decade at least. A generation have their lives curtailed by these liars... and I'm now seeing them as evil, rather than wrong. Rotten to the core.
I've not heard anything about a 'europe first' approach - link?
They have a 'blue card' - their equivalent of the us green card for work purposes.
I can't describe how angry I am with it all. My only hope is Scotland goes and I can get back into the EU via my grandparents. I was 2 generations short for Ireland.
I’ve not heard anything about a ‘europe first’ approach – link?
They are national laws, not EU laws. Which country are you interested in?
[sovereign countries set their own immigration and foreign worker rules non-shocker]
They have a ‘blue card’
Yes, for the "elites"... I've worked with a few blue card holders... they were all absolute geniuses. And I don't just mean double first at Cambridge level genius, well beyond that. Your kids and mine will not be getting one of those (and mine is a straight A* student), they are not available for normal people.
I can’t describe how angry I am with it all. My only hope is Scotland goes and I can get back into the EU via my grandparents.
Me too. Having to dig into family history (Scottish grandfather abandoned my Mum during the war) to see if he now serves a purpose is interesting!
I can’t describe how angry I am with it all. My only hope is Scotland goes and I can get back into the EU via my grandparents.
Just move here (and pay your taxes), then you can vote for independence AND be a Scot when we become independent.
I’ve not heard anything about a ‘europe first’ approach – link?
Many countries (including the UK) don't hand out work permits unless you can prove that no local person can do the job. This is the norm AFAIK except in cases where they want positive immigration.
Just heard Andrew Mitchell Tory MP and ex minister on Radio 2 talking about training African doctors to work in the NHS.
Without a single trace of irony he said that it's our duty to allow those doctors to come to the UK "because otherwise we would be denying them freedom of movement, which is their basic right"
You couldn't make it up.
Are people **** stupid or what? It’s unreal.
I work with a lad whose father voted leave yet spends several months each year living in spain and wants to buy a house there. That is a yard stick for you.
Without a single trace of irony he said that it’s our duty to allow those doctors to come to the UK “because otherwise we would be denying them freedom of movement, which is their basic right
A number of Tory MPs have been Out in the media today, while somehow keeping a straight face, deriding the divisive nature of nationalism.
Brexit is the ultimate example of toxic nationalism. They know that their disaster capitalist dream of No Deal - the very worst outcome imaginable for 99.99999% of us - is as good as nailed on
They’re just trolling us now
eskay: the Costa del Sol is full of those egg and chip eating tw*ts.
“I don’t think anyone really knew what they were voting for” – Brexit voter from my family
Some people did. Just not most of those voting Leave.
Get Ready…
Edit: Link to article deleted, as it’s gone behind a paywall.
Brexit puts way too much milk in his tea.
That's actually really useful, thanks Kelvin.
Amazing how the Nissan news is hardly even news.
The uplands are looking particularly sunny
https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1330988448245805057?s=20
Amazing how the Nissan news is hardly even news
So much so that I have to ask what the Nissan news is...?
So much so that I have to ask what the Nissan news is…?
Rumours that they'll be closing the Sunderland plant with the loss of 7000 jobs although so far it's just rumours, the news (below) is a few days old.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54986195
Who'd have thunk it? Japanese company sets up huge plant in the UK to facilitate access to the EU market via the single market and the customs union, is then told we'll be leaving both.
Erm... ok.... bye then....
There was an article in a German magazine quoting the head of Nissan Europe.
The public gets what the public wants.
The same Andrew Bailey from earlier in the year...
"Bailey, who succeeds Mark Carney as governor next month, said leaving the EU would give Britain the chance to ditch any Brussels red tape which damages the financial sector, while adapting other regulations to better suit the UK."
Not certain how to phrase a comment without going 'oh the posh ones didn't think it would effect them'. But I'm sure a wide range of social classes do the ski season (possibly).
Not certain how to phrase a comment without going ‘oh the posh ones didn’t think it would effect them’. But I’m sure a wide range of social classes do the ski season (possibly).
Cool. Now do summer package holidays - reps, nannies, sports instructors.
Everyone ready to celebrate the 'Festival of Brexit'?
https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1331146897369796608?s=20
torsoinalake - You were right - My comments were uncalled for. It's shit for everyone. Apologies.
My attitude was clouded by the one Brexitter I know (ski loving, ex army banking lawyer).
dogbone
Full MemberNot certain how to phrase a comment without going ‘oh the posh ones didn’t think it would effect them’. But I’m sure a wide range of social classes do the ski season (possibly).
A wide range of mountain bikers do the summer season...
Thanks Northwind. Another reason it was a stupid comment.
It should also have been 'affect' rather than 'effect'.
What I've done there though is twofold. I've been a grammar pedant but in doing so I have also been a tw*t.
So I am going to apologise for that in this post too.
Now you've got some company in the 'feeling the need to apologise' stakes.
🤔
Another reason it was a stupid comment.
It wasn’t really a stupid comment. There are people who were unaware how ending FoM will effect them and their families… not least because they were promised that it wouldn’t! This includes, but in no way is limited to, well-off families and their young adult kids who in past years would have taken seasonal work in the ski season.
I’ve been a grammar pedant but
There is grammar in there but not as we know it.
Everything is going to be fine after all…
https://twitter.com/welshconserv/status/1331162139592175616?s=21
@dogbone most of my mates that do seasons are mid 30's and are ski/snowboard instructors in the Winter, then climbing/outdoors instructors in the summer. It's a career the ski instructor thing. To be fully qualified in France is essentially a degree level qualification.....not heard/seen what any of them have planned otherwise. None of them are posh though, most are from 'poor Northern towns'.
The other mates I have that do seasons, are in bands......again, none of them are posh....they'll be absolutely ****ed though....genuinely no idea what they'll do. I'd just secured a contact that meant I'd got the option to go out and do month long 'tours' playing apres gigs....I did it last year, and the plan was to do it in January this year as usually I have 0 gigs in January. Oh well, at least my career has been all but wiped out by Covid anyway.
Is that topped with mining slurry, for a more authentic taste?
The Nissan news isn't unexpected. The town over from me here in Holland, their Nissan dealer's been boarded up for a few months now. Probably unrelated, though...
Thanks Tom-B. And yet another reason it was a stupid comment.
Ha I wouldn't sweat it mate, there are a LOT of proper posh kids there acting like bell ends.
At one of my gigs in Alp dhuez last year one of the London Med Schools were having their last night of ski trip party. One kid won an award for spending £700 during the week on champagne. A girl overdosed on pills before we'd even started playing. One of them threw a glass at my head, and then someone else kicked off at me as I was packing up (unsure if the last incident was with one of the med students)
The public gets what the public wants.
That's really not the way to look at it. Firstly, 30% of the people of Sunderland didn't want no deal. Secondly - people aren't very bright, sure, but gloating isn't a good look. Especially when there are innocents in the crossfire.
Probably unrelated, though…
Not entirely… short term pressures on car companies are worldwide due to Covid, and medium term the kind of cars and how we build and buy them are changing everywhere, because of climate change commitments etc. Brexit will be the straw that broke the camel’s back for many UK based factories… but far from the only problem that their owners face.
George Monbiot on the money as usual imo
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/24/brexit-capitalism
