This is exactly what they want, no deal and bad blood, then at every election going forward they'll say that Labour will sell us out with a trade deal with the evil untrustworthy EU and only the Tories can be trusted to protect our hard won Brexit.
Well... the EU have two choices...
1) stick to their commitments in the WA, and pursue both political and legal routes to get us to do the same
2) renege on their commitments in the WA, just as we are
They have to choose 1... we may get to 2 next year, but that's full on trade war time, and the end of the Good Friday Agreement. Hopefully it'll never come to that.. but there is no way they would jump straight to that right now.
And here we go... with wearying predictability, the narrative that was always going to be pushed by Cummings and co...
https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1311595086132772865?s=20
Yeah between evil migrants & the bullying EU I imagine Cummings is pretty happy with all this
A sense of relief and release washes over the right wing media, sorry the UK media, as they're given free reign to now publish their EU bully rhetoric. Its been lying on their desktop folder and toyed with for years. Dom cum releases his flying monkeys etc
Yep, half the country will be excited about prison ships for dark skinned people, and the EU 'not letting us leave'... and the other half can see exactly who can be trusted.
How sweet would it be if they can STOP us leaving over this mess? 😀
We have already left. They are looking after us 'till the New Year... that's one of their WA commitments they are sticking to.
There's just been a Belgium MEP on the radio saying that a trade deal is academic now as there is no question the European parliament would ratify any trade deal with a country that is presently in breach of international law
No Deal is now absolutely nailed on
I'm sure Cummings is ecstatic!
In the latest 'you couldn't make this shit up' installment of Brexit...
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1311595930236465152?s=20
It should never have been signed in the first place.
This is from the man who stood candidates down, so that Johnson could get his mandate to deliver this "oven ready deal". Mr bait-n-switch delivers the goods yet again.
Some of the frothing on the BBC comments is unreal. Even if you support Brexit, I find it hard to believe people still think that the EU will struggle more than we will in the case of no deal.
We (were) how much of Europe GDP, just as a measure?
googlesays EU in total:
$18.292 trillion
and UK:
$2.855 trillion
Sure, 15% of your trade going rogue will be a problem.
But a whole lot less problem than 100% going breasts skyward.
Back in 2016 …
“People voted for multiple contradictory (and some cases unavailable) replacements for EU membership… pick an available one and then ask the public whether they prefer it to membership.”
Forward to 2021 …
“Of course this Brexit is worse than membership, it’s the wrong Brexit, not the one we voted for.”
[ of course, despite admitting our new situation is rubbish next year, we’ll have proven our “Sovereignty” by causing all the damage by our own actions, so it’ll be worth it ]
Have we done Gove saying that Brexit costing chemical companies lots of money is a result of leaving the EU?
After reading some those BBC comments, I give up hope. I frankly have zero sympathy for some of these people, and when the shit hts the fan, I'm going to be a smug bastard. A lot of the people who voted for this, are going to suffer, good. The shame is, the people truly responsible will walk away with pots of cash.
Yup, I'm going to have little sympathy for them and I think next year once Cummings and Co unleash their grand plan for the UK after Brexit a lot of "hard working" people are going to be in for a shock as their rights are stripped away under the guise of making global Britain competitive.
Unfortunately some lessons are only learned the hard way.
Unfortunately some lessons are only learned the hard way.
You would hope that, but when it comes to it, people have the annoying habit of trying to live as 'normally' as they can while the world collapses around them, while others have nailed their colours to this particular mast and can't/won't climb down.
Waiting for people to have a light bulb moment and turn things around...is like waiting for a southern rail train to arrive on time.
Just passing by: as someone who is trying a last ditch attempt to get residency here in Spain, it's pretty difficult. We're losing all our rights in the EU. A lot of Brits seem utterly ignorant of the gravity of the situation. If this was a left-wing government pursuing this idiocy, there would be a coup. I can't believe it's actually happening.
I think you could overstate todays situation, I've worked for companies where while working for company A on a project for company B, company B is suing company A for some breach on something else, all while negotiation for another project is ongoing. Once the objects get immovable enough sometimes it's just left to the lawyers to sort out. It seems to me to be mostly posturing on both sides. My understanding is that if there's a deal we'd never actually be in breach so a deal could still be done.
I think you could overstate todays situation, I’ve worked for companies where while working for company A on a project for company B, company B is suing company A for some breach on something else, all while negotiation for another project is ongoing. Once the objects get immovable enough sometimes it’s just left to the lawyers to sort out. It seems to me to be mostly posturing on both sides. My understanding is that if there’s a deal we’d never actually be in breach so a deal could still be done.
Doesn't really matter about the deal that is agreed, it still has to go through the Euro Parliament, plenty of chances for bad faith to be repaid.
A lot of the people who voted for this, are going to suffer, good.
No mate, most of us are going to suffer, regardless of which way we voted. That's the really shitty part.
kelvin
Full Member“Of course this Brexit is worse than membership, it’s the wrong Brexit, not the one we voted for.”
Aye. And when you're trying to smash through your version of brexit, then of course your exact version is exactly the brexit everyone wanted, and the referendum is all the mandate you need. But equally, of course when your brexit is a disaster, which it will be, then you say "Ah but this isn't the brexit I wanted, i tried to deliver that but remoaners/the EU/space gypsies stopped me"
Stand back everyone. The big guns have arrived.
Boris Johnson to speak to EC chief on Saturday in last-ditch Brexit talks
After the latest and last scheduled round of negotiations in Brussels, a Downing Street spokesman said the prime minister would “take stock of negotiations and discuss next steps”, with the commission president.
After their last meeting, Johnson had declared it time to put a “tiger in the tank” of the negotiations
Still using catchy phrases- from the early sixties in this case.
After the latest and last scheduled round of negotiations in Brussels, a Downing Street spokesman said the prime minister would “take stock of negotiations and discuss next steps”, with the commission president.
Bullshit Bus is running out of road...
Setting the scene for the fantabulous deal or some other innovative way of kicking the can further down the road.
Setting the scene for the fantabulous deal or some other innovative way of kicking the can further down the road.
Neither.
The can can't be kicked any more.
It is either:
1. A bit of posturing before caving in yet trying to present it as a victory (that odious turd Farage is clearly worried this is the case).
Or
2. A bit of posturing to try to pin the blame for a No Deal economic holocaust on the EU.
But either way it is just posturing because that is all the fly-tipped sofa we have as PM is good for (and he isn't half way as good as he thinks he is that, either).
Tosser.
The only cause we have for optimism is that the nicotine-stained man-frog clearly thinks a 'betrayal' is on the agenda. Let's just hope that his suspicion that Johnson will bottle it at the eleventh hour proves correct.
Given what's about to happen to the economy with Covid and the furlough ending, surely even someone as ****less as Johnson can't seriously risk the economic carnage of No Deal
Given what’s about to happen to the economy with Covid and the furlough ending, surely even someone as ****less as Johnson can’t seriously risk the economic carnage of No Deal
You'd hope, wouldn't you.
But then you remember all the donors to Leave and the Tories who are priced in and could end Johnson, Gove, Cummings et al in a heartbeat.
Headline from local news website...
COVID-19 outbreak at Lincolnshire gammon factory
Now we know where they come from - made in bulk in a factory.
I would love to know the true cost of these 50k customs employees.
I would have thought if the salary is an average of say 30k, that would probably cost the government around 37k with NI and pension contributions, then you have overheads for housing them (5k??) Plus additional overheads for processing salary etc at admim level......the list goes on.
So....
If 50k per employee is a true realistic overhead then the annual cost would be
50,000x50,000=250,0000,000 per annum or 48M per week. I never saw that on Johnson's bus.
eskay
Full MemberI would love to know the true cost of these 50k customs employees.
In the style of Emma Churchill's answer to earlier questions, "Up to 40 kabillion pounds"
I would love to know the true cost of these 50k customs employees.
Price worth paying, surely?
I would have thought if the salary is an average of say 30k, that would probably cost the government around 37k with NI and pension contributions, then you have overheads for housing them (5k??) Plus additional overheads for processing salary etc at admim level……the list goes on.
It'll be higher, employer pension contributions are a minimum of 26.6%. I reckon for the public sector work on double the salary and you won't be far out.
this thread has been a little quiet recently? i though it all comes to ahead very soon? is this the calm before the storm?
I suspect weary resignation has finally set in. They've got another 4 years. There's nothing anyone can do about it. Just sit and wait for the (chlorinated) chickens to come home to roost.
There’s nothing anyone can do about it.
Except before those 4 years are out the Irish Cross-Border Poll will have already made a united Ireland the future and Scotland will be on its way.
I would have thought if the salary is an average of say 30k
If they're the jobs I've seen coming through on the Civil Service jobs site in recent months, you need to lower your expectations as to how the government values these key providers of it's crucial policy delivery 🤣
Except before those 4 years are out the Irish Cross-Border Poll will have already made a united Ireland the future and Scotland will be on its way
That may be the case (personally I think not in Scotland's case but it's moot and we have a thread for that discussion) but I'm not sure how you imagine this will change their direction of travel.
Edit: this lot don't GAS. Being in power later is irrelevant to them. Brexit is a means to an end. So long as it's done in the time they have is all they care about.
So, taking back control with an oven ready deal isn't going so well....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-news-uk-eu-trade-deal-latest-kent-garden-of-england-border-b985408.html
this thread has been a little quiet recently? i though it all comes to ahead very soon? is this the calm before the storm?
Weary resignation mixed with uncertainty as to the actual details of how bad it is going to be.
The certainties are:
1. It will make us worse off economically than if we hadn't done this stupid thing.
2. There will be a large degree of national humiliation involved.
3. There will be a lot of angry gammons shouting "but this isn't what I voted for" and they will be able to focus there anger on.....
4. There will be a lot of grownups saying "I told you so".
